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Thoughts on Mason Rudolph?

Black & Gold Bleeder said:
How can we have. "thoughts on Mason Rudolph when all we have seen is last year's pre season. That none of you really remember. We have real camp battles to follow. Right OT,. Mlb,. A missing TE,. Etc. So put me in the camp of who cares and ask me again on Aug 30th. Capiche?
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Why wouldn't they remember? A lot watch every preseason game, and some even go to training camp a lot. Like me. That was a decent body of work. They both had good showings forcing porn stache off the roster. Now with a year under their belt we will see who is King of the hill in regards to the two. Should be another fun watch.

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bermudasteel said:
I think we have TWO viable options at backup QB right now. Dobbs and Mason are a nice 'pacifier' to have for you babies...
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What makes you think they are "viable?"

vi·a·ble
/ˈvīəb(ə)l/
adjective
capable of working successfully; feasible.
"the proposed investment was economically viable"
synonyms: workable, feasible, practicable, practical, applicable, usable, manageable, operable, operational, possible, within the bounds/realms of possibility, within reach, within reason, likely, achievable, attainable, accomplishable, realizable,
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All we have seen from Dobbs is ONE nice pass to move the chains. Other than that, he doesn't look like a legit NFL QB.

MR is a complete unknown. Dare I say Landry may be better than these guys? We have no idea.
 
I for one am looking forward to those who do get to training camp, to give us their TC report. I think Rudolph becomes the front runner based on ....... Let me see........... ****, I forgot?


I think along with the other "camp battles" the Dobbs / Rudolph battle is one to be included. That is what TCs are all about, determining the better players and depth chart status. Last year Dobbs had the edge but with a year under his belt, Rudolph will close and maybe overcome that gap. Let TC BEGIN !!!




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Bobby Bufford said:
What makes you think they are "viable?"



All we have seen from Dobbs is ONE nice pass to move the chains. Other than that, he doesn't look like a legit NFL QB.

MR is a complete unknown. Dare I say Landry may be better than these guys? We have no idea.
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I THINK OUR FO & COACHING STAFF SEEM TO KNOW................. Who got cut and who is on the team again..... Refresh me please......!!!





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Maybe one of them will be moved to a new position where they might be used properly.
 
Coryea said:
We needed a safety, and he was ranked higher depending on who you read, but we had no need for a QB and we are a team that's close to being a Super Bowl contender, we could've used that pick on another position.
Difference between 80/90's is that Bradshaw wasn't playing that well his last few years, Ben is still at the top of his game and showing no signs of arm weakness, you try to win now while your franchise QB is playing so well.
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Edmunds was a bad pick where they took him. They could have had him later. So far nothing stands out but year two should tell us what we have.

Ben! What I want to see is a reduction of interceptions, especially in crucial situations. I actually think with Mr. Big Chest being gone he won’t be trying to force throws. I’m thinking he spreads it around much more than in the past since he doesn’t have to worry about egos.

What I’m worried about are two things! No TE depth!McDonald has never played a full 16 games and I don’t like Grimble. Can’t expect much from Gentry yet.

The OL! Getting older and hopefully RT won’t be a problem. Will the development of the young OL continue without Munchack?


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steelhurt said:
Edmunds was a bad pick where they took him. They could have had him later. So far nothing stands out but year two should tell us what we have.

Ben! What I want to see is a reduction of interceptions, especially in crucial situations. I actually think with Mr. Big Chest being gone he won’t be trying to force throws. I’m thinking he spreads it around much more than in the past since he doesn’t have to worry about egos.

What I’m worried about are two things! No TE depth!McDonald has never played a full 16 games and I don’t like Grimble. Can’t expect much from Gentry yet.

The OL! Getting older and hopefully RT won’t be a problem. Will the development of the young OL continue without Munchack?


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Do not know if Edmunds could've been had later, another team may have had a high grade on him. He's fast, quick, explosive that's what our D is lacking, now to see if it translates to the field.

Ben did lead the NFL in picks, but with as much as we threw it his int% was mid of the NFL tied with Luck. 11 of Ben's picks were targeted for AB. Bouchette said some of his picks were absolutely from AB running the wrong routes. Batch said he saw AB run routes that he knows for a fact weren't part of the route tree in those plays.

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Coryea said:
Do not know if Edmunds could've been had later, another team may have had a high grade on him. He's fast, quick, explosive that's what our D is lacking, now to see if it translates to the field.

Ben did lead the NFL in picks, but with as much as we threw it his int% was mid of the NFL tied with Luck. 11 of Ben's picks were targeted for AB. Bouchette said some of his picks were absolutely from AB running the wrong routes. Batch said he saw AB run routes that he knows for a fact weren't part of the route tree in those plays.

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To be fair (even though I really don't feel like it) half of BB to AB passes were not the planned route coming out of the play. Much of their success is them freelancing, so if one of the guesses wrong (or both) it often turns into a pass way off from AB, because he is just running to where he thinks open space is. I'd say half of their big plays came from them freelancing. You can tell if you watch the plays develop.

But a reduction of such freelancing should lead to less pics, but probably less big plays as well. We shall see.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
What makes you think they are "viable?"



All we have seen from Dobbs is ONE nice pass to move the chains. Other than that, he doesn't look like a legit NFL QB.

MR is a complete unknown. Dare I say Landry may be better than these guys? We have no idea.
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The answer is easy. Landry spent 4 years holding the clipboard and was average arty best.

Dobbs showed that potential in one game. Give Mason a chance and I feel it will be better; but we just don't know right now...

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I believe the plan with Mason was always to have him be third string for the first year. The camp battle last year was Dobbs. v. Landry. This year, Mason will be given plenty of chance to move up to number 2 during preseason. If he does, there is a good bet they think they have a potential successor. If not, update your QB draft charts for 2020.

No, that isn't a slight on Dobbs either. I like him - great kid with an infection personality. I really want him to succeed. I just don't see him as a long term starter as he seems to have some accuracy issues.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing us execute plays. I think I would enjoy that.
 
Bobby Bufford said:
To be fair (even though I really don't feel like it) half of BB to AB passes were not the planned route coming out of the play. Much of their success is them freelancing, so if one of the guesses wrong (or both) it often turns into a pass way off from AB, because he is just running to where he thinks open space is. I'd say half of their big plays came from them freelancing. You can tell if you watch the plays develop.

But a reduction of such freelancing should lead to less pics, but probably less big plays as well. We shall see.
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so you know the whole steelers route tree and all the calls and signals and you have a special TV where you can see how each route is ran by each receiver and how the defense reacts and read Ben's mind and have stats to prove that HALF the passes from Ben to the ******* baby ***** were free lance plays????
 
If you have a 1st round grade on a QB and don't even take him until the 3rd round something isn't right. He was the 6th QB taken. So I assume that means they had a 1st round grade on Edmunds and Washington? You draft a WR ahead of a QB when you have an aging franchise QB and can find WRs anywhere in the draft? Something doesn't seem right about that.
 
steelhurt said:
Edmunds was a bad pick where they took him. They could have had him later. So far nothing stands out but year two should tell us what we have.

Ben! What I want to see is a reduction of interceptions, especially in crucial situations. I actually think with Mr. Big Chest being gone he won’t be trying to force throws. I’m thinking he spreads it around much more than in the past since he doesn’t have to worry about egos.

What I’m worried about are two things! No TE depth!McDonald has never played a full 16 games and I don’t like Grimble. Can’t expect much from Gentry yet.

The OL! Getting older and hopefully RT won’t be a problem. Will the development of the young OL continue without Munchack?


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Edmunds may not have been the right pick but you can't say they could have had him later. I think he would have gone within 10 picks of where the steelers took him. People like to point to Justin Reid going in Rd 3 as proof but it's not.

The reason Reid was available in RD 3 is because he doesn't have top physical upside. He's a smart player and I'd say most thought he'd be a solid starter but not a game changer. Edmunds is more raw but has much more upside than Reid.

I also find it funny when people criticize the Edmunds pick as a reach then say they should have taken Reid instead. So Edmunds was a reach, but the guy who actually did slide to RD 3 would have been a great value in RD 1.
 
Vader said:
If you have a 1st round grade on a QB and don't even take him until the 3rd round something isn't right. He was the 6th QB taken. So I assume that means they had a 1st round grade on Edmunds and Washington? You draft a WR ahead of a QB when you have an aging franchise QB and can find WRs anywhere in the draft? Something doesn't seem right about that.
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I've read before that the steelers set up their board by doing a mock draft only with themselves. Meaning they don't guess what other teams will pick. They do a mock with their own grades. So every pick is who the steelers would take at that point. So your first 32 picks would have a 1st round grade.

So they could have had 30 guys ranked ahead of Rudolph. They had Edmunds and Washington rated higher than Rudolph
 
Those that are picking on the kid for not beating out Dobbs are stupid. Ben was a 3rd string QB going into his rookie season. Circumstances pressed him into action. It is the Steeler way and has not changed in the 45 years I have been watching them. They go with the guy that knows the playbook. If he does not overtake Dobbs by the end of preason, I would have mild concern going into the season. If Ben goes down with a season ending injury and they go to Dobbs instead of Mason, I would have a little worry. Remember the kid was a low round pick, and many scouts felt he was one of the best QB's in the draft. If he doesn't pan out, so what?
 
titus said:
Those that are picking on the kid for not beating out Dobbs are stupid. Ben was a 3rd string QB going into his rookie season. Circumstances pressed him into action. It is the Steeler way and has not changed in the 45 years I have been watching them. They go with the guy that knows the playbook. If he does not overtake Dobbs by the end of preason, I would have mild concern going into the season. If Ben goes down with a season ending injury and they go to Dobbs instead of Mason, I would have a little worry. Remember the kid was a low round pick, and many scouts felt he was one of the best QB's in the draft. If he doesn't pan out, so what?
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I think Rudolph wins that job in preseason,
 
If Dobbs becomes a pocket passer that can move the pocket and use his feet to gain time to throw. I don't care which of them wins the job. May the best man win. I just dont want a run first qb. It just doesn't work.
 
I like MR but I wouldn't count Dobbs out just yet. He's a freaking rocket scientist and if he develops better mechanics he could be something.
 
mightyguru said:
I like MR but I wouldn't count Dobbs out just yet. He's a freaking rocket scientist and if he develops better mechanics he could be something.
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I agree. The kid isn't just an athletic qb. He is very smart. I would say it is kinda now or never time though. Third year in the system. Watching Dobbs and Rudolph will make pre season worth the time. One will emerge or it will become evident they will need to draft a QB in the future.
 
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