Draft value question
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That looks like what it would take. Not sure they would give up a 2 but value wise from what I saw looking at the trade chart.... that would appear spot on...
Devin white looks tough. I hate his celebration bullshit, but IMO he's worth a trade up.
I think so too. Just we know the team usually doesn't bite on trade ups. Polamalu is the only player who comes to mind.
With all these picks I wouldn't be shocked to see a round 2 trade up...
If someone in charge of drafting for Buffalo at round 1 spot 9 was absolutely drunk and we could take advantage of this deal we should rush to the podium.
Jimmy Johnson created charts in the 1990's to put a value to draft positions for the purpose of evaluating trade equity.
round 1 spot 9 is worth 1350 points on such a scale chart
round 1 spot 20 is worth 850 points on such a scale chart a difference of 500 points a team would need to compensate such a move in the draft
round 2 spot 52 is worth 380 points
round 3 spot 66 is worth 260 points
round 3 spot 83 is worth 175 points
round 4 spot 122 is worth 50 points
round 5 spot 141 is worth 36 points
round 6 spot 175 is worth 21 points
round 6 spot 192 is worth 15 points
round 6 spot 207 is worth 9 points
round 7 spot 219 is worth 4 points
This is the rough guide but each draft position exchange between teams will have to take into account the depth of talent in each draft year.
No team is going to give up a top 10 pick in round 1 unless they know there is going to be an advantage to them getting more value and increased numbers of draft picks. Realistically I would not see Buffalo making a deal unless you were suggesting a rd 1, rd 2, and a rd 3 in compensation for rd 1 spot 9
that ends up being a pretty steep of a price to pay especially in a draft with so much depth in quite a few positions.
The Steelers have 10 picks this year and I see no one in the draft worth moving up 11 positions in the draft for because of price and because of the multiple areas we need to address. If one of the Devin's ILB are still available at spot 16 then trading up costs much less to do, otherwise I wish they stand pat at 20 or even trade down slightly to pick up another 2nd or 3rd round picks as there will be plenty of options in those rounds to help the team.
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I think the best shot at trading up without paying a King’s ransom is finding a team interested in one of the QB prospects. They might feel comfortable that the QB they like will still be a available at 1.20 and just want to get some value out of a trade down. Teams not targeting a QB in the first round are more likely to have multiple positions of interest and value a high pick more.
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Uh...JJ wasn’t the first to create “draft charts”. Those have been around awhile. Gil Brandt has intimated they’ve been around since the AFL. JJ only talked about them when he went into broadcasting, which was at the time teams started consolidating pick values to allow negotiations to go faster during the draft. Before, most teams had their own (or with scouting firms like BLESTO combined several teams).
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Since the talent and depth in a draft change year by year, draft charts are a stationary guideline. The value of moving up and down changes by the year.
Trades happen when a team with a higher pick likes a guy a few slots lower, and a team with a lower pick really likes a guy going higher and gives up a lot to get him.
I would not give up our 2nd and 6th to get White. That's a tad too much. Our 3rd ( Raiders and 6th ) to move up to select White? I do it because ILB is a huge mess.
Trades happen when a team with a higher pick likes a guy a few slots lower, and a team with a lower pick really likes a guy going higher and gives up a lot to get him.
I would not give up our 2nd and 6th to get White. That's a tad too much. Our 3rd ( Raiders and 6th ) to move up to select White? I do it because ILB is a huge mess.
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What? Isn’t it the 52nd pick vs. the 66th? 14 spots? If I really like White, that sure as hell ain’t stopping me.
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I want a decent corner, and as many as three might be taken from spot 52 to 66. If the Steelers fo not pick a corner in round one, they better in round two. By round three the Steelers might pick the next Hank Poteat or Curtis Brown.
Sorry poor wording. I didn't mean to say JJ was the original and first creator all time. The example above was used to lay out the point system value chart associated with one similar to JJ's. Either way it is not exact science. You only get what someone is willing to pay up for or to sell for and each transaction is dependent on greed or desperation by the team's involved.
Or they could pick the next Ike Taylor
if you try to draft for need, you end up ******* yourself......
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Well, they have shown an extreme talent for taking CB's early......
I think it's straightforward in relation to the Devin's.
White will be gone by pick 9...so, no discussion there.
If Bush makes it past the Bengals, we will trade up to 14-16 to get him.
Personally, I think the Bengals take him with their pick.
Now, that leaves us taking most likely, a CB.
In that case, we could probably trade down 4-5 spots and pick up someone's 3rd.
Take two of your 3rds to get another 2nd round pick. That would give you: 1st, 2 x 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 3 x 6ths, and a 7th.
White will be gone by pick 9...so, no discussion there.
If Bush makes it past the Bengals, we will trade up to 14-16 to get him.
Personally, I think the Bengals take him with their pick.
Now, that leaves us taking most likely, a CB.
In that case, we could probably trade down 4-5 spots and pick up someone's 3rd.
Take two of your 3rds to get another 2nd round pick. That would give you: 1st, 2 x 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 3 x 6ths, and a 7th.
Your analysis looks like a very reasonable scenario. If both Devin's are gone early the only other BPA if he were to fall to 20 would be TJ Hockenson that would be intriguing. Another Heath M. type helps in numerous ways, blocking for the run game, providing another quality receiving target and overall helping to balance out the offensive touches for everyone on the offence. It lessens the loss of ABs production and we could pick up a quality WR in the middle rounds because of the depth in this draft. If TJ and the Devins are all gone early trade back and stock up on 2nd,3rd round picks and use some of the later picks to slide up slightly in the mid rounds if you are targeting someone in particular.