Tomlin sucks but he did not lose this game for us

[Coryea]

The difference was Haden did not interfere with the wide receiver. The Seahawks player did push off, which was offensive pass interference. One wasn't a penalty, one was.

NFL after that game said the push off was the right call, alot of former officials have said the call on Haden was horrible

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[SteelerFan448]

NFL after that game said the push off was the right call, alot of former officials have said the call on Haden was horrible

I love having the former officials in the booth and on Twitter and I know they won't, but sometimes I just wish they would call things for what they are and absolutely blast terrible calls. Too often we just hear "good teams should overcome bad calls." Everyone hates poor officiating yet always lets them off the hook with comments like that. I expect better from the NFL and its officials. They need to start by simplifying the rule book and also reevaluate penalties, even judgement calls. For example:

A 5-yard penalty should not offset a 15-yard personal foul. Give the team the net 10 yards.

There should be an incidental pass interference at 15 yards and an intentional spot foul.

A 5-yard defensive holding should not give a team an automatic first down. Nothing worse than a 3rd and 25 and a defender gets called away from the play on a QB dump off. Make it a 10-yard penalty, no automatic first down.

 

[AggieSteel]

“Good teams should overcome bad calls” is such a ****** take. The Saints are 13-2 and were at home. So not being able to beat them AND refs means you’re not a “good team”? **** outta here


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[Vader]

The difference was Haden did not interfere with the wide receiver. The Seahawks player did push off, which was offensive pass interference. One wasn't a penalty, one was.

The calls are exactly the same. Just because you think one is justified and the other isn't doesn't change that.

 

[6Lombardis]

Mike Tomlin's fake-punt call was terrible. Period.

https://triblive.com/sports/columni...ke-tomlins-fake-punt-call-was-terrible-period

One person’s opinion. Like us, Tomlin remembered Oakland’s final drive to eat up the clock only to score and win. Let alone Drew Brees with four downs and refs calling mystery DPI’s. Our only real hope was to have the ball at the end in Ben’s hands. Defensive stops to win games are almost non existent without a turnover. Even Baltimore was gifted a fumble or Chargers would have beat them. Our team doesn’t get gifts, we give them. Tis better to give than receive lol.

If we had punted, Brees would have been back to that field position but burn time to do so, so this move saved time. Sad, but correct for Tomlin to bet on a N.O. score there. This defense played hard, but they are who they are. Stupid to expect a different result against that opponent in that setting.
Like some have said, perhaps the better move would have been to go for the first with our offense. However, they may have had a good idea their play all would work. It literally came within two feet of working.

 

[MT~Forged]

Its very simple. his message is just run thin. Because that is what he is. He is a great motivational coach. Just for comparison sake, have a close look at Seattle. Pete Carroll burnt that thing to the ground last year. Fired virtually every assistant coach and totally revamped his Super Bowl defense. They are now back contending in what two years and the defense looks amazing. Since the Harisons and the Polamalus and the Taylors and the Keisels have been gone we are talking about 6 or 7 years and this POS can't get it fixed. Like ****. If you cant fix it yourself at least step aside and bring in a DC who can.

This will not happen when you have someone in charge that believes he is soooooooooooooo much smarter then everyone around. He actually believes they do not win because those around him are not smart enough to implement his spectacular knowledge.

 

[VaSteelerFan]

“Good teams should overcome bad calls” is such a ****** take. The Saints are 13-2 and were at home. So not being able to beat them AND refs means you’re not a “good team”? **** outta here


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I agree. There comes a time when a team can only overcome so much. Would they have won had they not turned the ball over twice, sure, but that doesn't remove the responsibility the officials have to call a competent game. They were guessing out there and making calls based on player and fan reactions. It was clear to anyone watching. Those were not calls that a professional official should ever make. They went way beyond just poor judgment and right into guesswork and being influenced by their surroundings.

 

[Steeler Pride]

If we had punted, Brees would have been back to that field position but burn time to do so, so this move saved time. Sad, but correct for Tomlin to bet on a N.O. score there..

This is the most failed logic and revisionist history based on an outcome and not on the decision at all. If the Saints last TD was ruled down at the half yard line, we MIGHT have gotten the ball back with about 20 seconds left. How does that align with this great belief that Tomlin made the decision based on getting the ball back with time on the clock? If Tomlin wanted the ball back with time to play and timeouts, he should have let the Saints score on their first offensive play. There was no guarantee that we were getting the ball back with time on the clock. What are the odds of scoring going 80 yards vs going 40 yards?

 

[TDX27]

Good game plan, refs jobbed us, individual fuckups. No issue with the fake punt, we still should have won. Can't **** up against a good team. Solid effort all around,

Sure, good and all but he still ****** up like he usually does when it matters most. The 5 wides was working to perfection from the end of the 2nd quarter and into the 4th quarter. NO couldn't stop it, Ben was on fire and we took the lead. Tomlin, yes Tomlin, then went conservative and took the ball out of Ben's hands on the next series that resulted in a fumble. He then still didn't go back to the 5 wide when we needed to score to win the game. If Tomlin doesn't go conservative and live in his fears in the 4th quarter, the turnovers probably never even happen and we win by 10.

 

[Coryea]

This is the most failed logic and revisionist history based on an outcome and not on the decision at all. If the Saints last TD was ruled down at the half yard line, we MIGHT have gotten the ball back with about 20 seconds left. How does that align with this great belief that Tomlin made the decision based on getting the ball back with time on the clock? If Tomlin wanted the ball back with time to play and timeouts, he should have let the Saints score on their first offensive play. There was no guarantee that we were getting the ball back with time on the clock. What are the odds of scoring going 80 yards vs going 40 yards?

Also, if he was worried we couldn't stop them, then just go for it on 4th and 5. I'd rather have the ball in Ben's hands than trying to get 5 yards on a fake punt run up the middle.

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[Vader]

This is the most failed logic and revisionist history based on an outcome and not on the decision at all. If the Saints last TD was ruled down at the half yard line, we MIGHT have gotten the ball back with about 20 seconds left. How does that align with this great belief that Tomlin made the decision based on getting the ball back with time on the clock? If Tomlin wanted the ball back with time to play and timeouts, he should have let the Saints score on their first offensive play. There was no guarantee that we were getting the ball back with time on the clock. What are the odds of scoring going 80 yards vs going 40 yards?

Exactly! Not only that but he could have let them score and gotten the ball back with 2 of his TOs. I listened to his PC and he said he would either get the ball back or stop them... That makes no sense because if you are going to stop them then stop them 80 yards from the endzone. They can run the time almost out from our 40 yard line. Like you said he wanted to get the ball back with time on the clock but if the TD is called 6 inches back he only has about 20 seconds and NO TOs. Because he used the TO's try to... that's right SAVE time. It make absolutely no ******* sense.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Sure, good and all but he still ****** up like he usually does when it matters most. The 5 wides was working to perfection from the end of the 2nd quarter and into the 4th quarter. NO couldn't stop it, Ben was on fire and we took the lead. Tomlin, yes Tomlin, then went conservative and took the ball out of Ben's hands on the next series that resulted in a fumble. He then still didn't go back to the 5 wide when we needed to score to win the game. If Tomlin doesn't go conservative and live in his fears in the 4th quarter, the turnovers probably never even happen and we win by 10.

A lot of ifs there. If we want to do that, if we pinned NO back at the ten on the punt, they may have driven the length of the field and left us with no time. If JuJu doesn't fumble we almost certainly tie it and had a good chance of winning outright. Also, I still think it's ridiculous to call running the ball in the NFL living in your fears. Ridley was a stupid call, but for ***** sake we only had 18 rushing attempts.

 

[Steelers17]

He 100% cost us the game, we have a clown coach that makes Hue Jackson look like a genius

Between Cool Shades and Bos, we are down 7-10 points prior to the kickoff. This is especially so against a quality team as N.O. As a fitting characterization of Cool Shades, "Just another fraud exposed!"

 

[SteelerFan448]

The calls are exactly the same. Just because you think one is justified and the other isn't doesn't change that.

Sorry man, you just aren't right on this one. One was a penalty, one wasn't. It's not what I think, Haden's play simply wasn't a penalty.

 

[Vader]

Sorry man, you just aren't right on this one. One was a penalty, one wasn't. It's not what I think, Haden's play simply wasn't a penalty.

But that isn't what you were arguing.

The refs, play calls, turnovers, etc. ALL contributed to the loss.

Who cares about the Seahawks fans? We aren't talking about those types of calls, you're talking about a blatant pass interference call that wasn't and it led directly to a touchdown.

So what "Type" of calls were you talking about? Aren't you talking about questionable calls that lead to points being score or not scored? Which the Seahawk game had. They weren't questionable to you because they went your way. My guess is a Seahawk fan would see things totally different. And the fact is both lead to either a TD or a TD not allowed. I'm not going down that path. Refs screw up. But blaming refs and bitching about conspiracies is just what the Seahawks fans do. The Steelers had a chance to win the game. Poor coaching and TOs killed it.

 

[topseed]

Only reason Ridley is in there is because we have nobody else. He’s literally our 4th string RB if you count Bell. He wasn’t released because he fumbled a lot anyways. He was released because of a bad knee injury. Nobody seemed to complain about his “fumbling” issues when we signed him last year and has ran well when he’s been called upon. Matter of fact I don’t remember anybody ever mentioning he had fumbling problems with any other team. But I guess if it helps you “prove” your case that Tomlin should be fired then let’s go for it.

I guess Samuels hadn't been playing well enough at that point? If he was "gassed," how about keeping the ball in the hands of your red-hot QB?

Only thing Ridley had done the whole game was flip the ball and strut around after a 6-yard gain in the second quarter. Oh yeah, and run into his own lineman for a yard loss on 2nd-and-goal, but I'll give him a pass for that since DeCastro stepped on Ben's foot and the timing of the handoff was disrupted.

The guy shouldn't have been on the field at that critical point, let alone have his number called, and his fumble is one of the main reasons we are all counting on the Cleveland Browns to help the Steelers squeak into the playoffs.

 

[SteelerFan448]

So what "Type" of calls were you talking about? Aren't you talking about questionable calls that lead to points being score or not scored? Which the Seahawk game had. They weren't questionable to you because they went your way. My guess is a Seahawk fan would see things totally different. And the fact is both lead to either a TD or a TD not allowed. I'm not going down that path. Refs screw up. But blaming refs and bitching about conspiracies is just what the Seahawks fans do. The Steelers had a chance to win the game. Poor coaching and TOs killed it.

If you were comparing the Seahawks calls to the non-fumble call or the second DPI on Haden, I could see your comparison with the Seahawks calls. We aren't. We are talking about the obvious bad call on Haden that put the Saints on the one-yard line. On top of every single person watching the game, every former official came out and said it wasn't a penalty. It's not that difficult to see the difference between the situations.

 

[Vader]

If you were comparing the Seahawks calls to the non-fumble call or the second DPI on Haden, I could see your comparison with the Seahawks calls. We aren't. We are talking about the obvious bad call on Haden that put the Saints on the one-yard line. On top of every single person watching the game, every former official came out and said it wasn't a penalty. It's not that difficult to see the difference between the situations.

Yes, because you believe one is right and the other is wrong. That's what bias is. Again ask any Seahawk fan and they'll argue that the "push off" in the SB was a horrible call. I've heard the excuses for years. I've shown them the video. They always say the same thing. Hell even after the game "Experts" on TV were bitching about the calls. So they are exactly the same except the fact you agree with one without agreeing with the other.