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Ben Saves Tomlin's ***...Again

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The gentleman who coaches the Steelers again today showed his cluelessness regarding challenges and his general misunderstanding of clock management. And once more, just like the good old days, Ben put together a game-winning drive to save his bacon.

The first challenge on the completion to Switzer was just foolish. The guy was nowhere close to having the first down, and the call had zero chance of being overturned. The non-challenge on Connor's effort was almost as egregious -- that play was clearly a touchdown. Welcome to the Bizzaro world of Mike Tomlin.

So the Steelers end up leading the game by only six points, instead of ten, and here come the Bengals with under two minutes left. They complete a ball on the Steelers' 11-yard line with 1:50 on the clock. Cincinnati has two timeouts left, but those are not really necessary at that point, because they have a first down and all the time they need to get eleven yards. Do the Steelers use one of their three timeouts to stop the clock and preserve some time, just in case the Bengals take the lead? Nah, they let 25 of the remaining 110 ticks of the clock evaporate before the next snap. Luckily, the first down play goes out of bounds, with 1:21 left. The second down play is a run to Mixon...at this point I am actually OK with the fact that he scores, because a) there is still over a minute left, and b) if he were stopped short, I have no confidence that Tomlin would indeed use a timeout.

All right, so Switzer decides to run the ball out of the end zone from two yards deep (which of course he should have been advised by the coaching staff NOT to do), and loses six seconds along with two yards in field position. Somehow, I'm thinking, we're still in decent shape here -- 1:12 on the clock, 3 timeouts left, on the 23, and all they need is a field goal. I'd much rather have 1:43 and 2 timeouts from the 25, but I'll take it. Here we go:

1) First down, 8 yards to JuJu, he's down with 1:06. Use a timeout here, right? Nah, they let NINETEEN seconds bleed away before the next snap.
2) Second down, incomplete, now we're already down to 42 seconds left, and still on the 31.
3) Third down, completion to JuJu for 10 yards, out of bounds, 36 seconds left now, on the 41.
4) First down, incomplete, 33 seconds left.
5) Second down, incomplete, 29 seconds left.
6) Third down, incomplete, holding on the Bengals, now we're down to 22 seconds left, on the 46, still with 3 timeouts left.
7) First down, completion to JuJu for 23 yards to the Bengals' 31, finally use the first timeout with 15 seconds left.

***as an aside, how clutch was JuJu on that last drive???***

8) First down, GREAT inside/outside play call, completion to Brown for 31 yards, touchdown, 10 seconds left...and TWO timeouts left to use, presumably, in the locker room.

Total time mismanagement bailed out by two big plays at the end. No reason whatsoever they should have still been in Pittsburgh territory with only about 20 seconds left.


But yet, no doubt, some will exude praise upon the man for skillfully mastering the clock to take a touchdown lead with only seconds remaining...right, Cope?
 
I'll add one. Just over a minute till half boot the f'n ball through the endzone. You are probably giving up a FG max.

Whoever makes the decisions for the short kickoffs with our ST should be fired. Pure stupidity
 
I'd say in that situation there is literally no chance Tomlin isn't involved with that decision.
 
I have zero problem if it was most other times. But this is situational. There is just barely over 1 min left. You don't give them that chance. Sorry. Not happening.
 
Nfl head coaches are typically dumb as a box of rocks at strategic logic.... nfl head coaches should hire coordinator s and have the last say on roster moves and the overall gameplan...but not specific plays, or in game strategy... because collectively their game management skills... (even the great cheatriot BB himself)... are akin to a monkey fliging poop decisions at a wall....

Hire people who have strategy skills to dictate that stuff and let the head coach rah rah, discipline, and do all the other bullshit that goes with assembling a team... its a hat they don’t need to wear
 
Mismanaged time is common with Tomlin.
 
Should have used the time out after the 1st ju-ju catch. I was saying the same thing while watching the game.

Ben and some clutch plays by the receivers bailed the Tomlin man out.

Tomlin is just something the Steelers need to overcome. Very similar to a bad call or two by the refs in a game.


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Oh look we won, time to complain

Meh he made a thread to point out a trend, that he wishes was fixed.

I think people can enjoy a win, celebrate a win. But still point at things that need to be fixed to go where the Steelers want to be.

Say the team didn't make it a habit of constantly coming up short come the playoffs.

Then you could say well they fix things as they go along, so no biggie.

But flip script and they constantly fail and worse are one and done in the playoffs.

Then your style of coaching will get questioned, Especially issues, fans consider trends.

Want the fans to shut up?

Eliminate the trends. Improve on the deficiencies.
 
I get the complaints about the challenges..even though i think i get the reasoning behind both. The offense was doing **** before that if we get that first we get some much needed momentum. Maybe get rolling.. BUT I DIDNT THINK HE MADE IT. Second one i thought it was worth a challenge. But again as some others have mentioned i thought the way we had ran the ball on the goaline all day that i could understand the non challenge. We scored easy all game down there..but still i challenge..

The TD drive to win i have no complaints we scored and left no time for the Bengals to do anything perfect drive
 
Hire people who have strategy skills to dictate that stuff and let the head coach rah rah, discipline, and do all the other bullshit that goes with assembling a team... its a hat they don’t need to wear

Wonder if Ernie Adams is tired of clam chowder yet ?
 
Meh he made a thread to point out a trend, that he wishes was fixed.

I think people can enjoy a win, celebrate a win. But still point at things that need to be fixed to go where the Steelers want to be.

Say the team didn't make it a habit of constantly coming up short come the playoffs.

Then you could say well they fix things as they go along, so no biggie.

But flip script and they constantly fail and worse are one and done in the playoffs.

Then your style of coaching will get questioned, Especially issues, fans consider trends.

Want the fans to shut up?

Eliminate the trends. Improve on the deficiencies.

What concerns me with Tomlin here is he doesn’t appear to learn from his mistakes. He’s been bad at challenges and clock management since he’s been here but never gets any better. Very frustrating to watch this guy.


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What concerns me with Tomlin here is he doesn’t appear to learn from his mistakes. He’s been bad at challenges and clock management since he’s been here but never gets any better. Very frustrating to watch this guy.


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Same problem I have with him. Would be minor to me if he could improve once the playoffs surfaced.

But I think he lacks certain abilities to get the team over the hump. X and O lack of game time adjustments, and time management. And that carries over to roster decisions too. No way in hell Burns should be out there at the end of the game. The D scheme sucks,but yet they still run it thinking it will eventually magically fix itself.

The times I do talk on Tomlin it usually isn't a new issue.

But one that has reared its ugly head far too often.
 
I get the complaints about the challenges..even though i think i get the reasoning behind both. The offense was doing **** before that if we get that first we get some much needed momentum. Maybe get rolling.. BUT I DIDNT THINK HE MADE IT. Second one i thought it was worth a challenge. But again as some others have mentioned i thought the way we had ran the ball on the goaline all day that i could understand the non challenge. We scored easy all game down there..but still i challenge..

The TD drive to win i have no complaints we scored and left no time for the Bengals to do anything perfect drive

No reasoning behind the first ****** call, it was simply a ****** challenge. Then he didn't want to lose any more time outs so he got gun shy.

Really it in a nutshell.

Not that we didn't know your stance before you presented it.
 
Players Credit Tomlin’s Focus on 2-Minute Drill For Preparedness To Win Games: ‘It Starts At The Top’

By Matthew Marczi Posted on October 15, 2018 at 7:00 am

The Pittsburgh Steelers like playing in Cincinnati. They would have to—they almost always win. And you go into a stadium to win games. Yesterday’s victory over the Cincinnati Bengals was about as close as they come, scoring the go-ahead points with 10 seconds remaining, but it counts as much as a win as any other.

The offense only had 72 seconds to do it, albeit with all three timeouts, after the defense gave up a go-ahead score to Andy Dalton and the Bengals, but there was never any flinching from the offense. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger reportedly said on the sideline that they left them too much time.

For Vance McDonald, in his second season in Pittsburgh after spending four in San Francisco, it’s been a different experience to live through that. “It’s a mindset, it’s trust, it’s really, really special”, he said. And “it comes from the top”.

‘The top’ is Head Coach Mike Tomlin, whom McDonald and others credited for drilling home the importance of the two-minute drill constantly. “Considering how hard Coach Tomlin keeps on us in practice in those situations, and always tells us we have to have a touchdown to win”, he said, it’s not surprising.

JuJu Smith-Schuster, who had three catches for over 40 yards on the game-winning drive, made similar comments after the game. “1:12 with three timeouts? That’s a lot of time for us”, he said. “We work it in practice every time. I was here when five games last year we drove down for a winning field goal or a touchdown. So for us, being in the huddle is just like, we’ve been here before, we’ve done this, let’s go down and score”.

Of course, it wasn’t McDonald or Smith-Schuster on the game-winning play. it was Roethlisberger to Antonio Brown on a catch-and-run score from 31 yards out. The second-year wide receiver said that everybody on the offense knew what the play was going to be once they saw the coverage, Brown motioning behind Justin Hunter to set up the pick screen against a blitz.

It resulted in the Steelers’ third win of the season, but also the first time that they actually had to do much in the second half. In their first win, in fact, they scored all of their 30 points in the first half before holding off a 17-point surge to beat the Buccaneers by three. In their win a week ago over the Falcons, Atlanta scored just once in the second half while the Steelers added almost 30 points in a game they were already leading.

The Steelers came from behind to win four games last season, but all of them ended in field goals by Chris Boswell. Of course they didn’t need more than a field goal this time around, but they got it anyway from their two biggest stars at the biggest moment.
 
Players Credit Tomlin’s Focus on 2-Minute Drill For Preparedness To Win Games: ‘It Starts At The Top’

By Matthew Marczi Posted on October 15, 2018 at 7:00 am

The Pittsburgh Steelers like playing in Cincinnati. They would have to—they almost always win. And you go into a stadium to win games. Yesterday’s victory over the Cincinnati Bengals was about as close as they come, scoring the go-ahead points with 10 seconds remaining, but it counts as much as a win as any other.

The offense only had 72 seconds to do it, albeit with all three timeouts, after the defense gave up a go-ahead score to Andy Dalton and the Bengals, but there was never any flinching from the offense. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger reportedly said on the sideline that they left them too much time.

For Vance McDonald, in his second season in Pittsburgh after spending four in San Francisco, it’s been a different experience to live through that. “It’s a mindset, it’s trust, it’s really, really special”, he said. And “it comes from the top”.

‘The top’ is Head Coach Mike Tomlin, whom McDonald and others credited for drilling home the importance of the two-minute drill constantly. “Considering how hard Coach Tomlin keeps on us in practice in those situations, and always tells us we have to have a touchdown to win”, he said, it’s not surprising.

JuJu Smith-Schuster, who had three catches for over 40 yards on the game-winning drive, made similar comments after the game. “1:12 with three timeouts? That’s a lot of time for us”, he said. “We work it in practice every time. I was here when five games last year we drove down for a winning field goal or a touchdown. So for us, being in the huddle is just like, we’ve been here before, we’ve done this, let’s go down and score”.

Of course, it wasn’t McDonald or Smith-Schuster on the game-winning play. it was Roethlisberger to Antonio Brown on a catch-and-run score from 31 yards out. The second-year wide receiver said that everybody on the offense knew what the play was going to be once they saw the coverage, Brown motioning behind Justin Hunter to set up the pick screen against a blitz.

It resulted in the Steelers’ third win of the season, but also the first time that they actually had to do much in the second half. In their first win, in fact, they scored all of their 30 points in the first half before holding off a 17-point surge to beat the Buccaneers by three. In their win a week ago over the Falcons, Atlanta scored just once in the second half while the Steelers added almost 30 points in a game they were already leading.

The Steelers came from behind to win four games last season, but all of them ended in field goals by Chris Boswell. Of course they didn’t need more than a field goal this time around, but they got it anyway from their two biggest stars at the biggest moment.

Isn't the 2 minute drill a staple on every NFL practice field? Regardless, the point the first poster made was that without Tomlin's odd choice of challenges, they shouldn't have even needed the 2 minute drill. This is like saying my mechanic keeps breaking **** on my car but damnit he knows how to change the oil with the best of them.
 
What concerns me with Tomlin here is he doesn’t appear to learn from his mistakes. He’s been bad at challenges and clock management since he’s been here but never gets any better. Very frustrating to watch this guy.


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Bad at challenges since he has been here is a myth. Been repeated for years. Even after being shown stats a few years ago showing tomlin was top 5 (maybe even top 3) on winning challenges at the time didnt stop the myth.
 
I would also like to add, who the hell called timeout on the sideline to negate Ben's easy first down on the 3rd and 2 QB sneak??
 
Whoever makes the decisions for the short kickoffs with our ST should be fired. Pure stupidity

Entering the game. The Steelers led the league in kick coverage, and the Bengals were terrible at returns.
 
Isn't the 2 minute drill a staple on every NFL practice field? Regardless, the point the first poster made was that without Tomlin's odd choice of challenges, they shouldn't have even needed the 2 minute drill. This is like saying my mechanic keeps breaking **** on my car but damnit he knows how to change the oil with the best of them.

It's just the point of emphasis at practices this year. It was last year as well, and the Steelers were very efficient at scoring at the end of halves and games. It's situational football, and coaches are required to teach it, and drill it. We also worked on a ton of goal line this offseason. It has shown some improvement in red zone already this year.

I would also like to add, who the hell called timeout on the sideline to negate Ben's easy first down on the 3rd and 2 QB sneak??

The Bengals called it.
 
It's just the point of emphasis at practices this year. It was last year as well, and the Steelers were very efficient at scoring at the end of halves and games. It's situational football, and coaches are required to teach it, and drill it. We also worked on a ton of goal line this offseason. It has shown some improvement in red zone already this year.




The Bengals called it.

Definitely agree on the improved RZ offense. I think they said we were #2 in RZ TD percentage coming into the game...huge improvement over the last decade when that seemed to be a consistent issue under the Bruce and Haley.

2nd & 3 at PIT 46
(12:56 - 1st) (Shotgun) J.Conner up the middle to PIT 47 for 1 yard (C.Dunlap; N.Vigil).

(12:21 - 1st) Timeout #1 by PIT at 12:21.


3rd and 2, Pitt's first charged timeout. Bengals didn't call their first TO until their final drive of the 1st half when they had the ball.
 
I've gotten on Tomlin alot over the years.
1. He is horrible at reviews and does not have a dedicated review guy in the booth
2. People complain about Burns out there, WTF is Vince Williams doing out there on obvious passing downs???

I will give him credit they practice the **** out of the 2 min offense, at training camp and during the week

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Bad at challenges since he has been here is a myth. Been repeated for years. Even after being shown stats a few years ago showing tomlin was top 5 (maybe even top 3) on winning challenges at the time didnt stop the myth.

I've said it before. The Steelers should hire a recently retired NFL Referee, and let him pick when to throw the red flag. Just put him in a room full of TV feeds. Problem solved. But such as common sense solution avoids Tomlin.
 
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