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Are we allowed to discuss Tomlin yet . . . .

chipped ham said:
I agree, largely, with your post, except for the last part. I’m January, we were in a very similar situation, and Tomlin elected to go for the onside kick. To nobody’s surprise, it was unsuccessful, as onside kicks rarely are. Not sticking up for him, but this is a perfect example of “when it works/doesn’t work, the coach is a ...........”
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The chance at successfully recovering an onside kick is low. The chance at this defense making a stop is even lower.
 
Every loss seems like a step in the right direction these days...honestly. I find my self hate-rooting against Tomlin.

When I had to select my starting lineup for my fantasy team, I picked Travis Kelce and Sammy Watkins because I knew the Steelers wouldn't have an answer for Mahomes...they didn't, I win.

When Ben retires, the lipstick will come off the pig really fast. Having a Hall of Famer at QB covers a lot of zits, man...a LOT.
 
Somewhere, Art Shell is quietly wishing he had taken a HC job in Pittsburgh and not for the Raiders.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I don’t believe that. I thought he was a good hire at the time.
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No, he was not. His qualifications at best were sparse and lacked any real proven success.

Prior year with Vikes his only as a defensive coordinator that defense ranked near the bottom. He blew the Rooney’s away with his smooth talking and the fact he was a minority candidate made the hiring even more attractive to the Rooneys,

This was such an important time for the Rooneys to succeed Cowher with a young, innovative, strong personality type coach. One that would have been opportunistic enough to realize what he had and to build on that existing team. Tomlin was not that coach. Tomlin had two strong coordinators and a team loaded with proven veterans led by a young, talented QB. He got much more credit than he ever deserved early on which played nicely with the Rooney’s hiring a minority candidate. Now from 2011 when all those seasoned vets were pretty much gone or at their end, look at the results. Missed playoff years and early exits from the playoffs. Making one AFCC game getting blown out. Now to 2018 where it looks like the wheels may finally fall off. Who could possibly be surprised. The defense instead of progressing has been getting worse.
The sad part of all this is that this is Tomlin’s blueprint the last eight years. And his arrogance and ego continue to stand in the way of him ever improving himself and the team.
Until Rooney can see the big picture this will continue to get worse.


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Week 1, the offense does a Houdini act and disappeared, (worse, almost gave the game away), the D stood up and kept the game tied.

Today the Day was the one that took the whole day off. How can a team be so uncoordinated? How can the offense or defense look SO different from one game to another?

There's no commitment, no sense of urgency, no respect for the franchise, just a bunch of headless chicken out there doing whatever the ****. What was the game plan on D? Where was the pressure? Especially with haden out, they had to throw everything but the kitchen sink at the QB, how many sacks the team made?

Tomlin and both coordinators should receive a final warning, no nonsense crap anymore, they better show they are making the team play at its best possible efforts or be sent packing.

**** this pathetic shitshow

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We gave up 21 and 14 straight points to open both halves. That is all about being unprepared and unable to make adjustments on the fly. Tomlin is not going anywhere but the fact remains he is a poor coach whose lack of football acumen that has been covered up by having a HOF QB his entire tenure and a great organization that will not allow him to become the bengals or browns. Tomlin if he was hored by either of those organizations 12 years ago would now be a highly tenured positions coach on some middling NFL team.
 
Litos said:
Week 1, the offense does a Houdini act and disappeared, (worse, almost gave the game away), the D stood up and kept the game tied.

Today the Day was the one that took the whole day off. How can a team be so uncoordinated? How can the offense or defense look SO different from one game to another?


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Last week in Cleveland was played in pouring rain which is conducive to defenses playing better than offense.
 
I haven't read a single post in this thread. I don't post on the football side much anymore. And I've been a Tomlin supporter since day one. I have pictures of him with my kids .

I've defended him over and over.

I can't any longer.

I harken back to the days of Cowher. I recall that he got the most out of his players. Players played for the man. He took average talent and made it playoff caliber much of the time.

Tomlin seems to perennially be the opposite. He wastes talent. Year after year, on paper, we've got what it takes. Year after year, we play down to the competition. His record against sub .500 teams is a joke. Weekly we are underprepared. Like today. Horrible special teams to start the game. Horrible to end the game. A zone defense that persists that TEs and QBs rip apart game after game, year after year. Attitudes on the field and off the field that no longer exude "the franchise" and winning.

I've faded to realizing he needs to go.

But I realize the Rooneys will stay the course. I'm sad for all of us because the course could go on for a long, long time. And this may have been a bad hire.

I've officially flipped to I think he needs to go. Not that it matters at all.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I haven't read a single post in this thread. I don't post on the football side much anymore. And I've been a Tomlin supporter since day one. I have pictures of him with my kids .

I've defended him over and over.

I can't any longer.

I harken back to the days of Cowher. I recall that he got the most out of his players. Players played for the man. He took average talent and made it playoff caliber much of the time.

Tomlin seems to perennially be the opposite. He wastes talent. Year after year, on paper, we've got what it takes. Year after year, we play down to the competition. His record against sub .500 teams is a joke. Weekly we are unprepared. Like today. Horrible special teams to start the game. Horrible to end the game. A zone defense that persists that TEs and QBs rip apart game after game, year after year. Attitudes on the field and off the field that no longer exude "the franchise" and winning.

I've faded to realizing he needs to go.

But I realize the Rooneys will stay the course. I'm sad for all of us because the course could go on for a long, long time. And this may have been a bad hire.

I've officially flipped to I think he needs to go. Not that it matters at all.
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I was on the border with him like a seesaw. But I think Ben simply masked a lot of his short comings.

Year after year after year the same deficiencies.

Rinse and repeat.

Just enough to keep a job, and unfortunately you wonder if until Big Ben hangs 'em up. If anything changes. Maybe a different D coach at the end of the year. But I wonder if that will even come to be.
 
Whoever the best DC in football is, they would struggle with the stiffs on our unit. The talent just isn't there any more and it's going to happen every week until the F/O addresses it. Good luck to us on that. All bullshitting aside, who are our best defensive players who would guaranteed be of use to another team week in and week out? I see Heyward, Tuitt and Watt. End of list.
 
FAB802 said:
Whoever the best DC in football is, they would struggle with the stiffs on our unit. The talent just isn't there any more and it's going to happen every week until the F/O addresses it. Good luck to us on that. All bullshitting aside, who are our best defensive players who would guaranteed be of use to another team week in and week out? I see Heyward, Tuitt and Watt. End of list.
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No disagreement. But sadly at some point in time you have to look at the head coach. This isn't a 3 year run of "wash rinse and repeat." This is going on damn near a decade of the same story every year.

The record v sub .500 teams alone tells the biggest story to me. At least in the past we'd rise up against better teams.
 
Hollywood Bags said:
We gave up 21 and 14 straight points to open both halves. That is all about being unprepared and unable to make adjustments on the fly. Tomlin is not going anywhere but the fact remains he is a poor coach whose lack of football acumen that has been covered up by having a HOF QB his entire tenure and a great organization that will not allow him to become the bengals or browns. Tomlin if he was hired by either of those organizations 12 years ago would now be a highly tenured positions coach on some middling NFL team.
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Everything that's been said on this thread is true
The main points are
• he has wasted a Once in a lifetime type HOF QB career.
• he took over the D and his soft *** Tampa 2 scheme is absolutely killing this team
• he is going no where while Ben Is here because Ben will do enough to keep him in it


• Mike Tomlin would have been out of the league in 3 years r at least out of head coaching if not for Big Ben
• we've had one of the worst Defensive teams in football since Cowhers players got old and retired. Tomlin who is suppose to be a Defensive Minded Head coach has had about 7 or 8 years to fix it and can't do it. He's used Dick L. As a scapegoat and will use Butler as his next scapegoat.

It's really not even a debate anymore. He's not the man that can fix this.
Can we please move on from him before it's to late

Answer No.
we will officially become the Browns before the Rooneys move on. That is sad
 
slashsteel said:
The evidence speaks for itself.

Slow out of the gates in games.
Start seasons out slow
Miscommunication.
Slow to adjust well within game time situational football.


Rahrahrah only gets you so far.
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I'll add to the list

Poor tackling with no adjustment to it

Continual disciplinary issues both individual and team

Under acheive in in game coaching decisions



COACHING has been a problem for quite some time and these problems ALL start at the top.




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I get the talent may not be the best, but this is his talent he drafted.
Also the chiefs offense along with NE would be the last ones to continually use two slow ILBs and we kept doing it over and over again, and again 2 DLINEMEN again is just disaster vs the run or pass

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Coryea said:
I get the talent may not be the best, but this is his talent he drafted.
Also the chiefs offense along with NE would be the last ones to continually use two slow ILBs and we kept doing it over and over again, and again 2 DLINEMEN again is just disaster vs the run or pass

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2 Dlinemen is plain stupid. You put three monsters there and push that pocket upfront

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Hollywood Bags said:
Paul Zeise becomes the first Pittsburgh sportswriter to come out and crucify the inept Tomlin.

Great read, spot on.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...ble-for-this-sloppy-mess/stories/201809160227
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Good article.

Comments for the article spot on as well.

To sum up: Every sentient being on earth, except apparently three, including polar bears, deer, antelope, cattle, horses, cats, dogs, fish, mollusks, and single-celled organisms on Io, knows Mike Tomlin is a ****** coach. The only three sentient beings who don't realize this astoundingly obvious choice are Mike Tomlin, Dan Rooney, and Art Rooney II.
 
Steeltime said:
Good article.

Comments for the article spot on as well.

To sum up: Every sentient being on earth, except apparently three, including polar bears, deer, antelope, cattle, horses, cats, dogs, fish, mollusks, and single-celled organisms on Io, knows Mike Tomlin is a ****** coach. The only three sentient beings who don't realize this astoundingly obvious choice are Mike Tomlin, Dan Rooney, and Art Rooney II.
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You mean Colbert and the Rooneys?

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That was a great article. I take issue with the idea that these players just blame. Ben takes lots of responsibility, even when we all know it wasn't his fault.
 
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