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Steelers pick Edmunds in round one

Steelworth said:
Where did Mayock have Antonio Brown ranked? Point is, who really cares where who had who ranked but the team who's going to actually be paying him? Let the kid take the field and in two years if he's not doing what they've drafted him to do, then *****.
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To answer your question, I believe back in 2010, Mayock did just a first-round mock, not a top 100 list. So, no, Antonio Brown would not have been ranked.

I love it when guys bring up Antonio Brown's draft position like that kind of **** happens every day. Fact is, a super-star sixth rounder like Antonio, or Tom Brady, or Terrell Davis comes around about once a decade across the entire league. On the contrary, how many first-round busts have the Steelers alone had in the the last 30 years? At least 10 by my count, and that's being generous to several guys:

Aaron Jones
Tim Worley
Tom Ricketts
Huey Richardson
Charles Johnson
Jamain "Course" Stephens
Troy Edwards
Rashard Mendenhall
Jarvis Jones
Bud Dupree

Point is, this is a message board, and all of us don't have to agree with every single move the Steelers' front office makes, especially with the drafting of a guy in the first round who was shocked to hear the news himself.
 
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topseed said:
To answer your question, I believe back in 2010, Mayock did just a first-round mock, not a top 100 list. So, no, Antonio Brown would not have been ranked.

I love it when guys bring up Antonio Brown's draft position like that kind of **** happens every day. Fact is, a super-star sixth rounder like Antonio, or Tom Brady, or Terrell Davis comes around about once a decade across the entire league. On the contrary, how many first-round busts have the Steelers alone had in the the last 30 years? At least 10 by my count, and that's being generous to several guys:

Aaron Jones
Tim Worley
Tom Ricketts
Huey Richardson
Charles Johnson
Jamain "Course" Stephens
Troy Edwards
Rashard Mendenhall
Jarvis Jones
Bud Dupree

Point is, this is a message board, and all of us don't have to agree with every single move the Steelers' front office makes, especially with the drafting of a guy in the first round who was shocked to hear the news himself.
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Think it is a little premature to add Dupree on that, not that I don't agree overall with what you are saying. And CJ had what 9 years in the NFL ? A 1000 yard season? Not that he was all that, but disagree tagging him a bust. Mendenhall had 6 years in the NFL, and quit on his own accord. He still was productive at the end. And did shine for the Steelers here and there.
 
slashsteel said:
Think it is a little premature to add Dupree on that, not that I don't agree overall with what you are saying. And CJ had what 9 years in the NFL ? A 1000 yard season? Not that he was all that, but disagree tagging him a bust. Mendenhall had 6 years in the NFL, and quit on his own accord. He still was productive at the end. And did shine for the Steelers here and there.
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It's not too early to label Bud Dupree a bust. He sucks. Look at the tape. He makes 1 or 2 good plays a game. Sometimes less.

If you count the last two seasons, when he started 2 games and registered a total of 17 receptions for 150 yards, then yes, CJ had 9 years in the NFL. For the Steelers, he averaged 680 yards and 3 touchdowns in five seasons. Not exactly what they'd hoped from the 17th overall choice.

Mendenhall was productive at the end? What really impressed you about his final season, 687 yards in 15 starts, 3.2 yards per carry, or adding 4 more fumbles to his defining legacy?
 
Supersteeler said:
Less than most other NFL teams. And that's the only thing that means ****.
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I'd agree and say the Steelers have done an above average job overall, especially with mostly picking later in the first round.

What doesn't mean **** is that they got lucky once with a player like Antonio Brown in the sixth round.
 
topseed said:
It's not too early to label Bud Dupree a bust. He sucks. Look at the tape. He makes 1 or 2 good plays a game. Sometimes less.

If you count the last two seasons, when he started 2 games and registered a total of 17 receptions for 150 yards, then yes, CJ had 9 years in the NFL. For the Steelers, he averaged 680 yards and 3 touchdowns in five seasons. Not exactly what they'd hoped from the 17th overall choice.

Mendenhall was productive at the end? What really impressed you about his final season, 687 yards in 15 starts, 3.2 yards per carry, or adding 4 more fumbles to his defining legacy?
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The 8 TDs of Mendys you conveniently left out.

Yes I count everything, you don't get to cherry pick to make a case. So 9 years isn't a bust.7 years isn't a bust. Even if you want to wipe out two years.

Dupree obviously hasn't lived up to expectations. But a bust would have been benched like Jarvis. A bust would not have had his option year picked up like Jarvis. A bust would have caused a OLBer to be brought in as a free agent or one drafted. None of this took place.

You seem to like to label players that didn't live up to your expectations as busts.

But I think that is a inaccurate approach.

Like any other analysis there is certain factors you have to take account for.

Or you can be stubborn, and be a minority in labeling a player a bust without criteria.

Your choice.
 
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Interesting read for those of you who think the Steelers reached for Edmunds

Fowler: Terrell Edmunds Was Considered A First Round Pick By NFL
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The biggest complaint from Pittsburgh Steelers’ fans after Day One of the NFL Draft was the value in taking safety Terrell Edmunds. Most in the draft community believed it was a reach, grading Edmunds as a second or even third round pick. But the NFL apparently felt much differently. According to this report/tweet from ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler, Edmunds was considered a first round selection by some organizations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some might have been surprised to see Terrell Edmunds go in first round but NFL teams were not. Spoke with several execs/coaches this week and all said he's a first-round talent. One likened him to a skinnier Keanu Neal. Another said he was a top-15 player in the draft.</p>— Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/991307232523546624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The biggest complaint from Pittsburgh Steelers’ fans after Day One of the NFL Draft was the value in taking safety Terrell Edmunds. Most in the draft community believed it was a reach, grading Edmunds as a second or even third round pick. But the NFL apparently felt much differently. According to this report/tweet from ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler, Edmunds was considered a first round selection by some organizations.

Neal, one of the comparisons made, was taken 17th overall by the Atlanta Falcons back in 2016 and so far, has been a very good edition to their team.

The “Edmunds in the first” noise didn’t just happen before the draft either. Jason La Canfora hinted as much on April 25th. Here’s what he wrote for CBS.

“And for as much attention as Tremaine Edmunds is garnering late, keep a very close eye on his brother, safety Terrell Edmunds. Teams love his makeup and athleticism more than is being let on, and the projected grades on him in the fourth/fifth round are going to look way low. I keep hearing it’s possible he sneaks into the late first round, or certainly second round. The Panthers, Titans and Steelers could be a fit.”

That’s pretty much spot on across the board. Edmunds hit every “box” you look for in a Steelers first rounder. Underclassmen. Power 5. Production. Athleticism. The Pro Day wine and dine.

Whether or not you like the player is entirely subjective but at this point, I think it’s hard to argue this was a player who was going to last to the Steelers’ second round pick, much less anything beyond that.
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topseed said:
I'd agree and say the Steelers have done an above average job overall, especially with mostly picking later in the first round.

What doesn't mean **** is that they got lucky once with a player like Antonio Brown in the sixth round.
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Uhhh they seem to get lucky a heck of a lot in the mid to late rounds. From AB to Aaron Smith to Brett Keisel, they seem to find some gems. I'd put their later round pick percentage against any team in the league right along with their 1st Round percentage.
 
How do you have no playmakers on D and set the team record for sacks in 2017?

The Steelers changed the responsibilities of the OLB's in 2017, more coverage, and got more sacks from different
positions. The days of the Steelers getting half their sacks from the OLB's are over.
 
21STEELERS21 said:
How do you have no playmakers on D and set the team record for sacks in 2017?

The Steelers changed the responsibilities of the OLB's in 2017, more coverage, and got more sacks from different
positions. The days of the Steelers getting half their sacks from the OLB's are over.
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All that changed when Shazier went down - nothingburgers in the playoffs means stats are for losers
 
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