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James Harrison retires

Because that was proving to be effective...

And they were worried about depth only during the regular season but not the playoffs?

Ineffective as it may have been, perhaps they seen a even worse scenario with Harrison in coverage.His patriot puff play didn't make me think he had much of anything left.

And sure they were still worried about depth, perhaps they just got tired of Deebo's ****, as in their breaking point. And finally gave into his release request.

I thought that is where the FO should have just sent that *** home for a little vacation...
 
We don't win a Super Bowl without him...period

Newsflash: WE AIN'T GIVING BACK THE 100 YARD INTERCEPTION RETURN
 
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Sorry, but no way in ******* hell is his unfortunate choice to depart the way he did, as impactful or memorable as his hall of fame-level moments on the field for many seasons. To say otherwise is just some sour grapes bullshit

No not on that same level. His HOF play stood out first, but the other **** can't be discarded.

Would it stop him from the HOF? Probably not.

Would it stop people from going to his restaurant in Pittsburgh?(if he chose to make some money here) Probably so
 
And you're retarded for thinking I'm retarded. Opinions can be fun.

I gotta kinda agree with Omar that your statement was retarded. So that makes you retarded! True Omar is now retarded for thinking you are retarded, I kinda agree with you there...

But in reality, I am retarded for taking the time to even respond to this retarded thread
 
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I hated the way things ended for him in the Burgh, but loved Deebo during his years here. He had a big hand in us winning the SB, I'll always respect him for that.

And for this, of course:



LOL one of my favorite videos. Ranks right up there with Jack Lambert throwing Cliff Harris to the ground. Like everyone else, hate how things ended for him here, but loved the Steelers player he was. Maybe it's the sappy female in me, but I wish him well. At the same time, it was sweet watching him pull streamers off of himself after the Pats lost the SB.
 
James balled out for the Steelers in his prime.
Left like a diva though. Enjoy retirement yinz wanker
 
I gotta kinda agree with Omar that your statement was retarded. So that makes you retarded! True Omar is now retarded for thinking you are retarded, I kinda agree with you there...

But in reality, I am retarded for taking the time to even respond to this retarded thread

I may be retarded, but I'm also dumb.












Wait a minute.
Reverse psychology?
 
Harrison was a great player, but off the field he certainly was not a role model. Its unfortunate things went down the way they did, but some of the blame certainly falls on the Steelers. I do believe he was told he would play a certain amount and the Steelers didn't hold their end of the deal. James certainly did not handle it professionally, but i am sure he felt shafted. He lived and breathed steeler football for a long time and they didn't give him much of a chance. What i don't understand is he played well in the one game he got significant playing time then after that they basically stopped playing him. I do not care either way if he retires as a steeler, but i do not have any ill will toward him
 
Maybe Tomlin was cool about it. Maybe Harrison just fell down the depth chart. And then he wasn't going to reward him for being a malcontent.

Maybe he handled the best he could.

As far a Moats wasn't he given a hat for ILBer depth?

I just feel some fans are trying really hard to find fault outside of Harrison. Maybe it is as simple as Harrison being a twatwaffling disruption.

WTF should someone declining and being a cancer be rewarded with reps?

I mean ****.

Below Arthur 0 sacks Moats on the depth chart? If that’s the case Tomlin is the absolute worst talent evaluator in the history of the NFL.

67 snaps 3 sacks. Let that sink in. I’d take a 65 year old arthritic with cataracts #92 over Arthur Moats.


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Below Arthur 0 sacks Moats on the depth chart? If that’s the case Tomlin is the absolute worst talent evaluator in the history of the NFL.

67 snaps 3 sacks. Let that sink in. I’d take a 65 year old arthritic with cataracts #92 over Arthur Moats.


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Two of those sacks came back to back against the NY Jets, a team that gave up the 6th highest amount of sacks in the NFL last year.
And, Moats played ST. Harrison did not. So, in order to give Harrison a hat, you're also going to have to take away two hats. One for Harrison to replace Moats on the depth chart and another for someone to take Moats place on ST.

So, it's possible that Tomlin and his assistants determined that the James Harrison they would be getting at that stage of his career, a guy you bring in as a situational pass rusher, was not worth taking away two hats on game days. Kinda makes sense.
 
I still think Ron's comment about wondering if he had to dig up the two people he buried in James Harrison jerseys was some of the funniest **** I've ever read. Not funny that they died of course.
 
Below Arthur 0 sacks Moats on the depth chart? If that’s the case Tomlin is the absolute worst talent evaluator in the history of the NFL.

67 snaps 3 sacks. Let that sink in. I’d take a 65 year old arthritic with cataracts #92 over Arthur Moats.


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LOL....some funny ****. Thanks for the laughs.
 
This conversation is meaningless anyway. Harrison is not going to come back to us to retire just so he can get booed.
 
Two of those sacks came back to back against the NY Jets, a team that gave up the 6th highest amount of sacks in the NFL last year.
And, Moats played ST. Harrison did not. So, in order to give Harrison a hat, you're also going to have to take away two hats. One for Harrison to replace Moats on the depth chart and another for someone to take Moats place on ST.

So, it's possible that Tomlin and his assistants determined that the James Harrison they would be getting at that stage of his career, a guy you bring in as a situational pass rusher, was not worth taking away two hats on game days. Kinda makes sense.

I agree with everything you said, so why string him along for 13 games if that's how they felt? If they thought he was washed up and old and didn't plan on playing him, just cut him loose the moment they decided to not even dress him. That's where it doesn't make sense to me. It seems like it should've been if they wanted to keep him then rotate him in situationally OR just cut him loose. Not do what they ended up doing. It was the absolute worst outcome for both sides.

Also with very few kickoffs actually being returned nowadays, it's far more important to have capable LBs playing on defense than worrying about taking up 2 hats for special teams. It's cool giving up 3rd and longs and 8 yards per running play but damnit Moats made some great special teams tackles so we can't replace him on D.
 
I know the roster came to a head when we cut Harrison.

Sutton's exemption and Gilbert's suspension ended and someone had to go. I thought for sure it would be Sensabaugh or Big Dan. Harrison was a surprise and the wrong move IMHO. I wanted Coty gone since we were carrying an extra CB with Sutton returning. Coty was inactive for the rest of the year when Harrison was cut.
 
Traded to the enemy and now he's giving up. Guess the the Brady bro-crush didn't work out. Oh well. Atleast he helped us win a super bowl.

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I think a few folks believe they would have seen the Deebo of old make a reappearance if only they had given him more playing time. Wasn't going to happen. And his level of play while a *Cheat showed me nothing that says the Steelers/Tomlin made the wrong choice. You could have gotten play at that level from Moats. Moreover, James is an *** for the way he worked to get out of town. Giving him more playing time because he was acting like some spoiled ******* kid? Yeah, that's a good message to send to the rest of the team: "Pout, act like an *** and let your teammates down and we'll give you more playing time." Y'all would have really had your panties in a bunch about Tomlin losing the team, not being respected by the players, etc. if reports came out saying Harrison was rewarded with more playing time after pulling all that ****.

**** James Harrison.

Holy smokes. Precision with the shots. I agree!


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I agree with everything you said, so why string him along for 13 games if that's how they felt? If they thought he was washed up and old and didn't plan on playing him, just cut him loose the moment they decided to not even dress him. That's where it doesn't make sense to me. It seems like it should've been if they wanted to keep him then rotate him in situationally OR just cut him loose. Not do what they ended up doing. It was the absolute worst outcome for both sides.

Also with very few kickoffs actually being returned nowadays, it's far more important to have capable LBs playing on defense than worrying about taking up 2 hats for special teams. It's cool giving up 3rd and longs and 8 yards per running play but damnit Moats made some great special teams tackles so we can't replace him on D.

Sixteen games in a season. You don't know how well Watt is going to hold up during his Rookie season. Unchartered water there. You do know that Dupree is playing through several injuries. Harrison's contract became fully guaranteed the first, what, game or two when he had a hat? So, given all of that, do you cut Harrison and possibly have to take another cap hit (albeit a small one) if something happens to any of the OLB above him or do you keep him around for insurance even if you think he's slipped some? A business decision, especially one where money is involved should, at its purest level, be made devoid of emotion or sentimentality. A football decision should be made with regards to what's best for the team, not necessarily the player. In both regards, Tomlin/Colbert/Rooney made the best decision when they kept Harrison on the team initially. In both regards, they ****** up when they let him go. (Still needed the insurance and releasing him allowed the *Cheats to pick up a piece of their own puzzle). They should have just suspended him.

As for the Moats comments. One thing that Moats brings to the table that Harrison apparently was lacking during that time is leadership and being a good teammate. Moreover, let me say this again, you give Harrison a hat, after any of the **** he was pulling, let alone all of it, and you lose the team. Personally, the math doesn't add up for me. Bring in an aging, slow LB who can't cover anyone, a sack specialist, who is verging on being a cancer and have to have two guys give up their hats.

Finally, Harrison and setting the edge. The guy I saw in the SB wasn't setting the edge so swell. He was getting carried along in the wash and one good play in run support doesn't change that. It's possible that he just slowed down, back to his normal level of play after the excitement of being on a new team, a SB contender in it's own right, wore off. In any event, James looked only a shadow of the "Deebo" that it seems some folks thought should be starting, let alone playing, for the Steelers.

We're all entitled to our opinions. I don't "hate" the guy. It's just, in my opinion, he was a sliding ex-superstar who wasn't worth all the **** he created at that point in time.
 
I know the roster came to a head when we cut Harrison.

Sutton's exemption and Gilbert's suspension ended and someone had to go. I thought for sure it would be Sensabaugh or Big Dan. Harrison was a surprise and the wrong move IMHO. I wanted Coty gone since we were carrying an extra CB with Sutton returning. Coty was inactive for the rest of the year when Harrison was cut.

Hey Cope, I don’t know if this has been taken into consideration. Deebo contract was more than vet minimum since when he resigned on the 2 year deal. He also got a bonus IIRC. His NE contract was vet minimum.

Of all those players, Debo’s contract was larger. Right? Could the lower salaries and ST limitation been the culprit of the numbers game too? You are spot on regarding the roster spot situation. There were multiple decisions needed at around the same time.



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Thanks for the memories James, but I'm a lot less saddened by this than I would have been without the nonsense last season. I really wish he wouldn't have done that

This ... Perfectly said.
 
Hey Cope, I don’t know if this has been taken into consideration. Deebo contract was more than vet minimum since when he resigned on the 2 year deal. He also got a bonus IIRC. His NE contract was vet minimum.

Of all those players, Debo’s contract was larger. Right? Could the lower salaries and ST limitation been the culprit of the numbers game too? You are spot on regarding the roster spot situation. There were multiple decisions needed at around the same time.



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It was more than Vet Minimum due to the signing bonus. When we cut him, the Steelers were responsible for all of the signing bonus. Harrison was cut, cleared waivers, and then signed to a separate contract by the Pats for vet minimum or $60K for the last game of the season. I think the league pays playoff salaries, as they are determined by the game you play and how far you go. Also why Playoff teams don't get hosed in the salary cap.
 
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