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Leveon Bell

SteelerSask said:
There is a real issue of fairness here but it really isnt about reseting the rb market. The problem as I see is this. They fixed the problem with rookie contracts as it pertains to QBs Recievers and Tackles. It wasnt right that a guy who never played a down got this stupid contract. However, running backs got caught in the wash. While a qb, wr ot tackle gets his second contract and even sometimes a third, the running back is 2/3 used up after his rookie deal. Teams dont pay for what they got in the past. About the only thing that could be done is a rookie running back is a restricted FA after two seasons and unrestricted after 3.
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You have a great point but it doesn't apply to this RB at this time. I'm all for your suggestion and it is very valid for future RBs. I would thin k the next CBA addresses this. But then again the next CBA may mean everyone is out of a job while they strike and then give in as most will be foreclosed on needing money NOW.



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jitter77 said:
We can't trade him unless he has some kind of contact with us right?
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His rights can be traded any time before the start of free agency in early March. If he's not traded or tagged by the first day, he is a free agent. The trick is to get a trade done before the draft. Though an interesting situation may arise once Barkley is drafted, and a team was set on getting his talent, may overvalue Bell if given the opportunity to pick him up. That would make for a very interesting draft day.
 
Cope said:
His rights can be traded any time before the start of free agency in early March. If he's not traded or tagged by the first day, he is a free agent. The trick is to get a trade done before the draft. Though an interesting situation may arise once Barkley is drafted, and a team was set on getting his talent, may overvalue Bell if given the opportunity to pick him up. That would make for a very interesting draft day.
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When is the last time we traded a player on draft day? Serious question, because I can't think of one and would be curious to know if there was one.

Not saying it won't happen but the Steelers don't exactly pull off blockbuster trades at any time let alone on draft day. Hell we can't even wait to field calls before sprinting up to the podium.

With that said, I'm leaning towards wanting him traded just to get something in return and rid the team of the constant distraction (and potential huge contract mistake). I just don't think the FO pulls it off since we don't seem to ever trade top talent. Most likely they just let him walk or tag him again and call his bluff.

I think a lot of it depends on what Ben decides. If he comes back next season, no money to pay Bell his demands and he's either let go or tagged. With Ben under center, I don't see a huge dropoff in our chances to win whether it's Bell or Conner/Ridley behind him so the ball is really in the FO court if Ben stays. If Ben retires after this season, Bell gets the negotiating power because the Steelers can't lose 2 top players in one offseason and I would say pay the man (Bell) and give the next QB every possible weapon to succeed.

I do think the FO is in for some make or break decisions the next couple offseasons. How they handle the transition from Ben and now Bell's situation will go a long way towards how this franchise is set up for the next 5-10 years. Which makes this year's SB run all the more important.
 
FordFairLane said:
RB’s are a dime a dozen.
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Seriously. This place would have an absolute hissy fit if Bell walks. Bell is a unique talent, not sure what games you have been watching
 
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Spike said:
**** it...run the wheels off him, 35 + times a game the next 3 games, win a trophy then trade him on draft day
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Didn't I mention try trading him to Cleveland for the #4th pick if Barkley is on the board?

Let him be there Camrelo Anthony.

I'll take Barkley,,10 M in cap space and the Steelers will be better off.
 
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TDX27 said:
Sorry but **** you, Bell! Tired of your stupid greedy bullshit. I hope he is gone as soon as possible and playing for Cleveland so we can take him out for good. Dude deserves nothing.
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Yes, yes! Bell to Cleveland for their 4th pick is Barkley is on the board!
 
Coach said:
Yes, yes! Bell to Cleveland for their 4th pick is Barkley is on the board!
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Here is the problem. If Bell is tagged, Cleveland has to give their first pick, by rule, since to acquire a franchise player, you get their slotted first round pick, due to record. This trade can not happen if Bell is tagged. Otherwise we get the Browns 2019 and 2020 first rounders and we rebuild.

The only way to get the #4 pick in the draft from Cleveland is we sign Bell to a long term deal before the draft, and Cleveland takes the contract in full with the trade.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
When is the last time we traded a player on draft day? Serious question, because I can't think of one and would be curious to know if there was one.

Not saying it won't happen but the Steelers don't exactly pull off blockbuster trades at any time let alone on draft day. Hell we can't even wait to field calls before sprinting up to the podium.

With that said, I'm leaning towards wanting him traded just to get something in return and rid the team of the constant distraction (and potential huge contract mistake). I just don't think the FO pulls it off since we don't seem to ever trade top talent. Most likely they just let him walk or tag him again and call his bluff.

I think a lot of it depends on what Ben decides. If he comes back next season, no money to pay Bell his demands and he's either let go or tagged. With Ben under center, I don't see a huge dropoff in our chances to win whether it's Bell or Conner/Ridley behind him so the ball is really in the FO court if Ben stays. If Ben retires after this season, Bell gets the negotiating power because the Steelers can't lose 2 top players in one offseason and I would say pay the man (Bell) and give the next QB every possible weapon to succeed.

I do think the FO is in for some make or break decisions the next couple offseasons. How they handle the transition from Ben and now Bell's situation will go a long way towards how this franchise is set up for the next 5-10 years. Which makes this year's SB run all the more important.
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I don't think we have. Was Stonio Holmes on draft day or just traded for a draft pick?

The Superbowl window is this year and next, then it's done. Very small chance in 2019, but that is up to Ben's performance and if he's on the team. If the Steelers are smart, you trade Bell for picks to get your next franchise QB. That is Bell's value. Not his talent on the field, but his ability to give a franchise that hasn't had a losing record in 13 years, a top 10 pick.
 
Coach said:
Didn't I mention try trading him to Cleveland for the #4th pick if Barkley is on the board?

Let him be there Camrelo Anthony.

I'll take Barkley,,10 M in cap space and the Steelers will be better off.
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You wanted James Conner to share the workload with Bell, how did that work out?
Barkley could be special, the odds of him being a bust are much better than him being a Bell level talent.
Bell is easily the best RB that ever wore black and gold, and all you fools want to send him packing?
Bell is like a prime Ladanian Tomlinson or Peterson, when do you think the chargers or viking are going to find another guy like that? Never. Just like the Steelers aren't going to find another Le'veon Bell.
I swear half you people don't even watch the games. Our season would be over already without Bell
 
My guess is Bell will be offered a 5 year contract equivalent to Brown's. If they structure it smart, a good bit of the money will start
when Ben's contract expires 2 years from now. They will have the cap space and Bell will have to keep playing to earn it.
 
Lloyds legend said:
While he is the best in todays game the Steelers have a pretty good legacy regarding RB's so......
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Agree - he has a ways to go to get to Bettis and Franco's level. Many people here probably never saw Franco in action, he was one of the best 'big game' backs in the league. Still holds the record for most total yards in SBs. Let Bell break that record, than I will agree.

Plus this year, Bell has seemed to slow down a bit - does not have the burst he seemed to have in the past, is it an temporary thing and will he get back to where he was? or are the wheels starting to wear out. Glad we have him, he is a great back, just do not think the Steelers should overpay for him.
 
bigben said:
You wanted James Conner to share the workload with Bell, how did that work out?
Barkley could be special, the odds of him being a bust are much better than him being a Bell level talent.
Bell is easily the best RB that ever wore black and gold, and all you fools want to send him packing?
Bell is like a prime Ladanian Tomlinson or Peterson, when do you think the chargers or viking are going to find another guy like that? Never. Just like the Steelers aren't going to find another Le'veon Bell.
I swear half you people don't even watch the games. Our season would be over already without Bell
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LT and Peterson also didn't have injury or suspension concerns in their primes either. Have you actually compared LT and Peterson's stats to Bell? Bell's best year so far is an average year for those 2. I would hardly put Bell at their level right now...he's one of the best TODAY but come on.

On top of that, the leading rusher in the league this year was a rookie just picked in the 3rd round. Even Bell himself was a 2nd round pick so it's not like it's Barkley or bust by having to spend a top 10 pick to get an impact RB. So tell us again how we can't find another RB with similar production to Bell. KC did in the 3rd round just last year.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
LT and Peterson also didn't have injury or suspension concerns in their primes either. Have you actually compared LT and Peterson's stats to Bell? Bell's best year so far is an average year for those 2. I would hardly put Bell at their level right now...he's one of the best TODAY but come on.

On top of that, the leading rusher in the league this year was a rookie just picked in the 3rd round. Even Bell himself was a 2nd round pick so it's not like it's Barkley or bust by having to spend a top 10 pick to get an impact RB. So tell us again how we can't find another RB with similar production to Bell. KC did in the 3rd round just last year.
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Bell is not LT, Yet, and there is a good chance he never will be. LT was a once in a generation kind of back. I'll give you that. (I was a huge LT Fan) Bell is better receiving than Peterson ever was. Peterson also missed an entire season with a Knee injury. He is not a decorated as either guy. But he has the potential to be, who else can say that?
Kareem Hunt is a talented back for sure, He also disapeared for the entire middle of the season. Anybody who knows football will tell you he is light years away from being Le'Veon Bell. RB is tough to draft, Bernard was taken before Bell. Odds wise Barkley is more likely to be the next Trent Richardson than he is Le' Veon bell. I have nothing against Barkley, but assuming he is going to be the next le'veon bell is beyond ridiculous.
 
Steelers and Bell getting ripped on literally every sports outlet on the planet atm. Rallying point? Us against the world?

The talking heads always go out of their way to sell the pats***** as rallying against the tiniest slight. I haven't heard one single ******* say anything like that in favor of the Steelers...kinda funny.
 
yeah, Bell is just a guy
easily replaceable.

i mean, we could simply trot out another Amos Zereoue or Mewelde Moore and not miss a ******* beat.

you *************....
 
Superman said:
yeah, Bell is just a guy
easily replaceable.

i mean, we could simply trot out another Amos Zereoue or Mewelde Moore and not miss a ******* beat.

you *************....
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Are you implying our offense would suddenly become the Browns if Ridley had to start a few games?
 
nitsuj1225 said:
Are you implying our offense would suddenly become the Browns if Ridley had to start a few games?
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I don't think that's the case, but we've seen how the offense, the running game particularly, turns out when you have a Ben Tate, or whoever the **** that was, back in 2015.
 
bigben said:
Bell is not LT, Yet, and there is a good chance he never will be. LT was a once in a generation kind of back. I'll give you that. (I was a huge LT Fan) Bell is better receiving than Peterson ever was. Peterson also missed an entire season with a Knee injury. He is not a decorated as either guy. But he has the potential to be, who else can say that?
Kareem Hunt is a talented back for sure, He also disapeared for the entire middle of the season. Anybody who knows football will tell you he is light years away from being Le'Veon Bell. RB is tough to draft, Bernard was taken before Bell. Odds wise Barkley is more likely to be the next Trent Richardson than he is Le' Veon bell. I have nothing against Barkley, but assuming he is going to be the next le'veon bell is beyond ridiculous.
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Didn't Peterson have injury issues going back to Oklahoma? If I'm not mistaken, he had a knee, and collarbone issue before he played a down in the NFL. Like I said, the same people who are saying that we can simply dump Bell because he hasn't "done anything," are the same people who are pissed off that the Steelers cut a malcontent in Harrison for "all he's done."
 
With Ben close to the end yinz ******* better hold onto the one back that could help ease that loss.
 
bigben said:
You wanted James Conner to share the workload with Bell, how did that work out?
Barkley could be special, the odds of him being a bust are much better than him being a Bell level talent.
Bell is easily the best RB that ever wore black and gold, and all you fools want to send him packing?
Bell is like a prime Ladanian Tomlinson or Peterson, when do you think the chargers or viking are going to find another guy like that? Never. Just like the Steelers aren't going to find another Le'veon Bell.
I swear half you people don't even watch the games. Our season would be over already without Bell
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Barkley is special. RB's with that type of talent seldom bust.

Bell, easily the best RB to wear black and gold? Um, no.

Consider the following.

Bell's yards per catch and yards per rush is below average with out OL, an excellent blocking FB, all star receivers, ( Two of which also block well ), and Ben at QB. Running the ball here is easier than other teams, and I stated the reasons why. This season Bell has proved to be durable and reliable but hardly explosive.

Why would this trade work for us?

1 ) Bell has a lot of miles on him and some injures. Backs don't last long. Barkely will likely be the better player by 2022
2 ) 10 million in cap savings. Enough to obtain another Haden like addition.
3 ) Bell has off the field issues. One more DUI and he's in trouble, plus he took shots at the Steelers on social media

Why would this make sense for Cleveland?

1 ) Bell plus the fist QB taken would give the fans hope, who has seen their Browns win just one of the past 32 games. A move like this will give the fans hope
2 ) Bell is from Ohio.
3 ) The Browns have a huge amount of cap space. Enough to pay Bell and add OL / WR in free agency.

PS: I did not want to draft Conner in round three, but I did want to increase his workload to see what he would look like with 10 carries a game.

PPS: Bell is not close to LT, or Peterson.
 
The only way Barkey is a bust, is if he loses his legs below the knees, before the season. If you don't think he's good, you've never seen him play. You've never seen him get hit and keep churning. You've never seen him break away from secondary speedsters, and you've never seen his hands running a fly. Kid can do EVERYTHING. He's the best RB prospect since AP.
 
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