So Spike, given your continuing rampage, I really have to ask this.

[Steeler Pride]

You're either missing the point or dodging the question. I don't care what some sideline official says, he has NO say in the outcome.
My point is the ONLY way he could be considered down at the one is if he is touched by a defender, and that's very clear on replay that he is never touched until he's in the end zone, and it's not even close, so there was absolutely no way we were getting the ball at the 1

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even if they say he was touched at the one yard line, it would still be an incomplete pass because by the rule he has to maintain contact thru the ground. So there was no possible explanation for a ref to supposedly tell him that he could be down at the one. It was either a catch or an incomplete pass. It took one look at the replay to know for a fact that nobody touched him, so it was either a TD or an incomplete pass, and I don;t buy that an official told him they were considering down by contact. Makes no sense.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Well then what is their responsibility?

Remember when NE was playing Indy and they went for it in 4th and 2 in their own territory, Belicheck said that was my call, I didn't think we could stop their Offense, the head coaches call, not Bradys

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It was third down with 21 seconds to go and there really no decision to make.. a spike shouldnt of been thought even thought about

 

[Steeler Pride]

It was third down with 21 seconds to go and there really no decision to make.. a spike shouldnt of been thought even thought about

Then why didn't he have Haley call 2 plays before they went out onto the field.

 

[Coryea]

It was third down with 21 seconds to go and there really no decision to make.. a spike shouldnt of been thought even thought about

All the more reason they should've had multiple plays ready.

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[antdrewjosh]

Then why didn't he have Haley call 2 plays before they went out onto the field.

Lolley explained that. How can you call that when you dont know what the down and distance is. Its not the same as calling two plays when your in the middle the field. Lets say the second play was a pass but Bey was tackled at the one. Do we pass or run? We pass but it doesnt work..why didn't they run!!!!!

And again noone is answering why a 14 year vet proficient in calling his own plays couldnt call his own play on 3rd down with 2 seconds left

 

[Steeler Pride]

Lolley explained that. How can you call that when you dont know what the down and distance is. Its not the same as calling two plays when your in the middle the field. Lets say the second play was a pass but Bey was tackled at the one. Do we pass or run? We pass but it doesnt work..why didn't they run!!!!!

And again noone is answering why a 14 year vet proficient in calling his own plays couldnt call his own play on 3rd down with 2 seconds left

You are inside the 10 yard line, and need a TD to win, down and distance are irrelevant. You call 2 plays that put receivers in the endzone, or is that too hard for Haley and Tomlin to figure out too. maybe the 14 year QB should have to figure it out and explain it to the 2 brainiacs. If Tomlin and Haley are too ******* stupid to tell the QB what their intention is how the **** do you blame the QB for not knowing whether he was supposed to run a play or clock the ball and take the FG. I trust Ben to call 2 plays there more than I would EVER trust Haley, and if Tomlin had said we are going to run 2 plays and then kick the FG and let Ben call the plays end of discussion. When there is blatant confusion in the last 30 seconds, Tomlin and Haley did not communicate properly or effectively. But again, in your world coaches have ZERO responsibility and accountability and if the 14 year vet QB is smarter than the 2 coaches we win and you tell us how great Tomlin is as a coach. ******* BRILLIANT!

 

[Coryea]

Then why didn't he have Haley call 2 plays before they went out onto the field.

That's not his job I guess. Tomlin should've had two plays called it's at the 10 you're telling me they don't have plays that work from the 4 or the 8, and running isn't an option. Tomlin has been taken to task by plenty of football people, he ****** up listening to the official and he messed up not having the entire offense on the same page during that review

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[Steeler Pride]

Lolley explained that. How can you call that when you dont know what the down and distance is. Its not the same as calling two plays when your in the middle the field. Lets say the second play was a pass but Bey was tackled at the one. Do we pass or run? We pass but it doesnt work..why didn't they run!!!!!

And again noone is answering why a 14 year vet proficient in calling his own plays couldnt call his own play on 3rd down with 2 seconds left

BTW, why the **** would we call a run play for the second play with no timeouts...that's some genius **** right there.

 

[Steeler Pride]

And again noone is answering why a 14 year vet proficient in calling his own plays couldnt call his own play on 3rd down with 2 seconds left

Here is the answer Sherlock HE DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS SUPPOSED TO RUN A PLAY OR CLOCK THE BALL. Why did Tomlin and/or Haley not go over the scenario with him before they ever took the field.

 

[antdrewjosh]

BTW, why the **** would we call a run play for the second play with no timeouts...that's some genius **** right there.

Read it again i didnt say a run play would be part of the teo plays sent in..i said if the pass to bey was stopped at the one or two. A run play to your best player Bell would have been a thought to consider

 

[antdrewjosh]

Here is the answer Sherlock HE DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS SUPPOSED TO RUN A PLAY OR CLOCK THE BALL. Why did Tomlin and/or Haley not go over the scenario with him before they ever took the field.

And i anwered that with the amount of time left spiking the ball wasnt a consideration because getting two plays off was a given.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Read it again i didnt say a run play would be part of the teo plays sent in..i said if the pass to bey was stopped at the one or two. A run play to your best player Bell would have been a thought to consider

So if we pass the ball and it ends up on the one with 15 seconds left in the game we should try a running play so we cannot stop the clock if he gets stopped and don't have time to line up for a FG. no wonder you love Tomlin so much, you can't make this **** up.

 

[antdrewjosh]

He ****** up listening to the official makes no sense. How can you not listen..who the hell knows what they are going to come back and rule. Nobody knows..they dont even know cause the STUPID catch rule is a mess

 

[antdrewjosh]

So if we pass the ball and it ends up on the one with 15 seconds left in the game we should try a running play so we cannot stop the clock if he gets stopped and don't have time to line up for a FG. no wonder you love Tomlin so much, you can't make this **** up.

Why wouldnt you consider it?? Bell is your best player on the field and you maybe go for the win. Its a thought. How can it not be??

 

[Coryea]

He ****** up listening to the official makes no sense. How can you not listen..who the hell knows what they are going to come back and rule. Nobody knows..they dont even know cause the STUPID catch rule is a mess

Because they aren't the ones reviewing it at that point and all you need it two eyes to see on the replay that James wasn't even close to being touched until after he was in the end zone, that kills any thought of a run off or being down at the one.

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[antdrewjosh]

Because they aren't the ones reviewing it at that point and all you need it two eyes to see on the replay that James wasn't even close to being touched until after he was in the end zone, that kills any thought of a run off or being down at the one.

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That makes no sense if an official makes it a point to tell you that you have to consider that.. dont see how you cant

 

[Coryea]

That makes no sense if an official makes it a point to tell you that you have to consider that.. dont see how you cant

I said 5 times already, in real speed yes it's possible, but as soon as you see the replay, no one comes close to touching him at the one, that's the only way we are getting it at the one, but as soon as you see the replay he's clearly not touched until the play is over in the end zone, at that point it TD or incomplete, those are the only two options

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[Spike]

Plenty of blame for the Steelers’ loss should fall on the shoulders of Ben Roethlisberger

It's easy to say a bad rule stopped the Steelers from victory on Sunday vs. New England, but it’s their quarterback who’s guilty for this latest crushing defeat.

It wasn’t because Antonio Brown was lost due to a partially torn calf muscle.

It wasn’t because of Gronk.

And it wasn’t because the Patriots were better than the Steelers.

No, Steelers fans, there is only one reason. One glaring, alarming, easy to spot, but hard to swallow, fact as to why this team took loss number three on the year. Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger cost the Steelers a victory vs. the Patriots.

Chew on that and know it to be true. Much like Luke Skywalker denied at first, but eventually came around to the reality of what faced him despite not wanting to believe who his father was, I’m here to tell you Ben Roethlisberger cost the Steelers more than a game Sunday.

If you’re as decorated and as accomplished a player as Roethlisberger is, you simply don’t try to force a ball into that small a window and to a receiver like Eli Rogers, knowing you can still kick a field goal to tie the game and force overtime at home.

In classic Roethlisberger fashion after the game, he told the wretched media that he wanted to spike the ball on 3rd-and-goal, but was told not to in his headset. In other words, Todd Haley was to blame for what transpired with five seconds to go and probably losing the top seed in the upcoming AFC playoffs.

Ben acknowledged (after throwing his OC under a very big bus) that he was to blame for the loss.

Ya think?!

Place the blame where you want, Steelers fans. But make sure you place it at the feet of where it belongs. And that would be at the feet of your quarterback. Roethlisberger cost his team Sunday, and it’s a loss they’ll look back at and wonder what might have been if they had won.

This loss is on Roethlisberger and nothing else comes close.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...-shoulders-of-ben-roethlisberger-patriots-afc

 

[antdrewjosh]

I said 5 times already, in real speed yes it's possible, but as soon as you see the replay, no one comes close to touching him at the one, that's the only way we are getting it at the one, but as soon as you see the replay he's clearly not touched until the play is over in the end zone.

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So if they tell that you have to have a plan for it and IMO because the 10 second run off it trumps the other scenarios involved

 

[Coryea]

So if they tell that you have to have a plan for it and IMO because the 10 second run off it trumps the other scenarios involved

If I'm told that I'm immediately watching the replay, which he probably already was, and I'm calling up stairs asking their opinion, which he probably was. It doesn't take 4 minutes to see that there is no possible way he was down at the 1. If by chance the replay was close to him being touched down, then absolutely that Trump's all, but it was very clear and obvious he wasn't touched at the 1

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[wig]

Spike? You're seriously bringing up the car crash? Really?

Dude. C'mon.

I don't know why you aren't angry that James didn't catch the ball. Why aren't you calling him a ****-up and wishing he'd trip into a wood chipper? You brought up Ben being suplexed and that not being enough "clear the cobwebs" presumably because you think he's not intelligent enough to play the game. Then you suggest tongue in cheek, but not, that he had PTSD from when he was hit by a car and slammed into a windshield.

Seriously man. That's Black Jesus caliber. That's where your head is right now and he's YOUR ******* QB.

Just what is going on in your life that your going that dark right now? I'm worried about you. I'm begging you to let this **** go.

 

[stillwright]

I'm sure Ben blames himself anyways.

 

[wig]

first off...

because the 10 second run off

That was NEVER a possibility. If they'd done a 10 second run-off it would have been so painfully obvious the fix was in it couldn't have been covered up. You CANNOT do a 10 second run-off unless there is an offensive penalty. And you can't blame the offense for the officials taking time to sort out whether it was a TD or a fumble at the 1 yard line. (Which they didn't call and only caught because of the scoring replay.) There CANNOT be a 10 second run-off.

Secondly...

Tom, the more I think about it, the more I think this was absolutely the best way to call this and I would bet MONEY that's what the referees wanted to do because it was mentioned. You have clear evidence that James has control and is connected to the ground at the 1. But he's a receiver Not a Runner. He IS on the ground though. He makes a move toward the goal line but fumbles. You cannot fumble forward and thus - the easiest thing in the world was to give it to the Steelers at the 1.

It's one or the other. Either completely incomplete. (Which they went with.) Or down at the 1 and a fumble into the EZ which he can't recover. and the play was called dead. I see ball on the 1 yard line has having been a real possibility. Only the head ref and New York know for sure. But if it was mentioned - somebody heard something.

 

[wig]

I'm sure Ben blames himself anyways.

He did. He took the hit for a bad pass and a bad decision. He didn't blame anyone else no matter how hard the media tries to make it seem that way.

 

[MTC]

I said 5 times already, in real speed yes it's possible, but as soon as you see the replay, no one comes close to touching him at the one, that's the only way we are getting it at the one, but as soon as you see the replay he's clearly not touched until the play is over in the end zone, at that point it TD or incomplete, those are the only two options

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Watching that replay in slow motion.
He brings the ball in to the chest, full possession.

Dives forward. Fumble.
It's all jipped at that point.