So Spike, given your continuing rampage, I really have to ask this.
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I'll ask you the same question, what would make James down at the one?
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Its NOT a question for me its SOMETHING that had to considered because the refs presented the scenario. And the most important part is the runoff.. you ask me its a catch according to my life watching football. But i also know according the dumb rules i knew it was a chance they would overturn it. The third scenario i never considered but the refs did
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Yep.....no way you can ignore it of the refs did indeed approach Tomlin with this possibility.
You're either missing the point or dodging the question. I don't care what some sideline official says, he has NO say in the outcome.
My point is the ONLY way he could be considered down at the one is if he is touched by a defender, and that's very clear on replay that he is never touched until he's in the end zone, and it's not even close, so there was absolutely no way we were getting the ball at the 1
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You are absolutely bugging ignore something an official purposely made you aware of.. cause you dont think its an option makes sense
And Kordell on Saveran show took the same offense i did too Ben's comments after the game..never should of been said was his strong opinion.
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Tom, It was a controversial call from the get go, but let's look at what we can definitively call a catch and a football move.
James secures the ball, moves it toward his chest as his knee is going to the ground. His knee touches the ground and he has complete control of the ball.
James then lunges forward over the goal line. As he's lunging, unfortunately his elbow is at an odd angle. (I know you've all seen this and groaned.) When his elbow hits it causes the ball to spin in his hands. At this point the ball may or may not hit the ground. One of his hands. (His right hand is still below and beside the ball, but it can be argued it is not cleanly underneath the ball.) It can easily be argued that James fumbled the ball as he made contact with the ground.
A player may not fumble the ball forward. He can not advance the ball on a fumble. The easiest, least controversial call at this point is to settle on the instant you KNOW James has complete control and has a knee down before he may or may not have fumbled. That's an easy call to make and even defend with a shred of confidence.
However, you CANNOT tag on a 10 second runoff. You only get that option if there's an offensive penalty.
As for the downs. I though James catch was close to 10 yards and thus would constitute a 1st down. It may have even required bringing out the chain gang. That also would have bought the Steelers a few precious seconds. Something I think was clear the league offices DID NOT WANT.
James secures the ball, moves it toward his chest as his knee is going to the ground. His knee touches the ground and he has complete control of the ball.
James then lunges forward over the goal line. As he's lunging, unfortunately his elbow is at an odd angle. (I know you've all seen this and groaned.) When his elbow hits it causes the ball to spin in his hands. At this point the ball may or may not hit the ground. One of his hands. (His right hand is still below and beside the ball, but it can be argued it is not cleanly underneath the ball.) It can easily be argued that James fumbled the ball as he made contact with the ground.
A player may not fumble the ball forward. He can not advance the ball on a fumble. The easiest, least controversial call at this point is to settle on the instant you KNOW James has complete control and has a knee down before he may or may not have fumbled. That's an easy call to make and even defend with a shred of confidence.
However, you CANNOT tag on a 10 second runoff. You only get that option if there's an offensive penalty.
As for the downs. I though James catch was close to 10 yards and thus would constitute a 1st down. It may have even required bringing out the chain gang. That also would have bought the Steelers a few precious seconds. Something I think was clear the league offices DID NOT WANT.
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antdrew. He answered a question. You KNOW he was going to be beaten to **** if everyone thought he was supposed to clock it and chose on his own to force a throw.
Because you know just as certainly that Tomlin and Haley would NOT have said a word about calling that in from the sides. They would have hung Ben out to dry.
Because you know just as certainly that Tomlin and Haley would NOT have said a word about calling that in from the sides. They would have hung Ben out to dry.
It can't be a fumble, he had possession as it broke the plain and he's not touched, at that point it's either a TD or incomplete pass, as soon as the replay was played there was absolutely no chance that was going to be down at the one, none.
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Ramon Foster said the same thing on his show, they were ready for the clock play and the sideline called in to run a play. I don't care what was said, he wasn't derogatory and I'm glad they went for the win.
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Yes. Mr. no blame cops out again.
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And I disagree Tom. I think the BEST thing the referee could have done is call it a catch and a fumble forward into the EZ. Player can't advance his own fumble. Thus, Ball on the 1.
I honestly think THAT should have been the call. And hearing what the refs said to Tomlin, I think THAT was the call they wanted to make but Unca Anthony was trying to get them to tack on a 10 second runoff and they couldn't justify it so they were told to throw out the entire catch in order to prevent the ball being on the 1 with 22 seconds left.
I honestly think THAT should have been the call. And hearing what the refs said to Tomlin, I think THAT was the call they wanted to make but Unca Anthony was trying to get them to tack on a 10 second runoff and they couldn't justify it so they were told to throw out the entire catch in order to prevent the ball being on the 1 with 22 seconds left.
The correct answer is we chose to run i play. Not I wanted to clock it but the sideline wanted to run a play.
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All y'all are still missing my main point...
Tom Brady would never have thrown that pick.
Patriots refuse to acknowledge 'mastery' of Steelers - but it's there
We were laughing at them again. Just two weeks ago. That team down the Ohio River.
The Bengals -- in all their Bengal splendor -- managed to come up with yet another creative way to blow a game against the Steelers.
Little brother lost to big brother in maddening fashion once more. And a Terrible Towel waving Lucy van Pelt stood over Charlie Brown in his Bengal stripes as she hysterically pulled the football away for the 100th time.
In today's edition of the comic strip though, Charlie Brown is laying on his back in his black-and-gold outfit and Lucy his mocking him with a harsh New England accent.
After a week of Pittsburgh trying to convince itself this time would be different against the Patriots, well, it was.
Until it wasn't.
The Patriots are now 11-2 against Pittsburgh with Tom Brady at quarterback.
So add this one to the list: Troy Edwards ran out of bounds and the Patriots blocked a field goal. Big Ben had the rookie jitters. The headsets didn't work. They were filming Dick LeBeau. Plaxico Burress should have caught the ball in the end zone when he was a Steeler, not a Giant. They forgot to cover Gronk ….again. And Chris Hogan on the flea-flicker.
Now make room for the "Replay Robbed Jesse James."
No shortage of puns there.
Oh, and they still didn't cover Gronk.
The constant, of course, is Brady. He matched Roethlisberger throw for throw and nearly stat for stat.
The only difference is his interception, while costly, didn't end the game as Roethlisberger's did. Plus, he did it with roughly half the run game support Roethlisberger got.
"It's not like there was anyone running away with it," said Brady. "It was a tight game. We just made one more play than they did."
Brady is right. As opposed to most Steeler losses to this team, it basically was just one more play, not a dozen.
Or in this case, one more call at the goal line.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers...se-to-acknowledge-mastery-of-steelers-but-its
Tom Brady would never have thrown that pick.
Patriots refuse to acknowledge 'mastery' of Steelers - but it's there
We were laughing at them again. Just two weeks ago. That team down the Ohio River.
The Bengals -- in all their Bengal splendor -- managed to come up with yet another creative way to blow a game against the Steelers.
Little brother lost to big brother in maddening fashion once more. And a Terrible Towel waving Lucy van Pelt stood over Charlie Brown in his Bengal stripes as she hysterically pulled the football away for the 100th time.
In today's edition of the comic strip though, Charlie Brown is laying on his back in his black-and-gold outfit and Lucy his mocking him with a harsh New England accent.
After a week of Pittsburgh trying to convince itself this time would be different against the Patriots, well, it was.
Until it wasn't.
The Patriots are now 11-2 against Pittsburgh with Tom Brady at quarterback.
So add this one to the list: Troy Edwards ran out of bounds and the Patriots blocked a field goal. Big Ben had the rookie jitters. The headsets didn't work. They were filming Dick LeBeau. Plaxico Burress should have caught the ball in the end zone when he was a Steeler, not a Giant. They forgot to cover Gronk ….again. And Chris Hogan on the flea-flicker.
Now make room for the "Replay Robbed Jesse James."
No shortage of puns there.
Oh, and they still didn't cover Gronk.
The constant, of course, is Brady. He matched Roethlisberger throw for throw and nearly stat for stat.
The only difference is his interception, while costly, didn't end the game as Roethlisberger's did. Plus, he did it with roughly half the run game support Roethlisberger got.
"It's not like there was anyone running away with it," said Brady. "It was a tight game. We just made one more play than they did."
Brady is right. As opposed to most Steeler losses to this team, it basically was just one more play, not a dozen.
Or in this case, one more call at the goal line.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers...se-to-acknowledge-mastery-of-steelers-but-its
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I don't know what you're bent out of shape about antdrew.
A couple weeks ago Tomlin said that he chooses to respond to reporters honestly. Is Ben not supposed to do the same? Is he supposed to veil his answers in half-truths?
"I wanted to throw it away, but coach said throw it to Eli no matter what!" (I doubt that, but this is Haley we're talking about...)
A couple weeks ago Tomlin said that he chooses to respond to reporters honestly. Is Ben not supposed to do the same? Is he supposed to veil his answers in half-truths?
"I wanted to throw it away, but coach said throw it to Eli no matter what!" (I doubt that, but this is Haley we're talking about...)
Well that's fine if its a normal play, but when you run a play and only two guys move or do anything, and the other 9 stand there, and your RB is holding his mouth piece, that's going to be questioned and anyone watching knows damn well something went wrong there.
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And you are missing the point regardless of you denying it he never should have had to throw it in the first place. Plenty of evidence has been shown that other calls have gone for the Patriots in the same type of situation as the James call.
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You're dodging Spike.
Swollen Head - Big Dummy. Would you prefer he never run no huddle again so Haley can manage things better? I'm really weary of you firing out specific attacks on one player. So, come clean.
Swollen Head - Big Dummy. Would you prefer he never run no huddle again so Haley can manage things better? I'm really weary of you firing out specific attacks on one player. So, come clean.
Umm he did that exact same thing a few seasons ago, game on the line, in the redzone, threw a pick. At Carolina, Tampa, or Miami, can't remember, but I think that may have been the play where he screamed at the ref the entire way off the field, but damn you Ben, you said they called in not to spike it, ***.
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We chose to run the fake spike it didnt work..we loss. Simple. I wanted to clock it is totally different especially given that you then forced a pass when you could of did the equivalent of clocking by throwing it into the stands
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Ben said "I made a bad throw." Who is he placing blame on?
He said I wanted to clock it. I had the guys lined up to clock it and the call came in from the sideline "Don't clock it." Nobody was prepared, I made a signal to Eli, he broke and I made a bad throw.
Just who exactly was he throwing under the bus? It sounds alot like he was throwing BEN under the bus. Kinda like you.
Ah ****!
Are YOU Ben Roethlisberger?
He said I wanted to clock it. I had the guys lined up to clock it and the call came in from the sideline "Don't clock it." Nobody was prepared, I made a signal to Eli, he broke and I made a bad throw.
Just who exactly was he throwing under the bus? It sounds alot like he was throwing BEN under the bus. Kinda like you.
Ah ****!
Are YOU Ben Roethlisberger?