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one item said it was the guaranteed money.

with his tag this year, he gets 12+m and next year the tag will be 14+ the guaranteed money should have been, at least, that, yes? I can't imagine the Steelers offered less guaranteed money, but, maybe, they did.

The only way he doesn't get more than 13+ or 14m+ for the next season is a serious injury or suspension. He has control over the suspension and, presumably, wants that big payday.
 
SteelerSask said:
An impression I get is that when the Cap gets expanded people think the Steelers have more play room to get players. The reality is that expansion of the cap is the NFLs way of instituting a pay increase. Remember when Bens new contract was like whooa. Carr will get 25 percent more and has never played in a playoff game. Kirk Cousins scoffed at 3 or 4 million less and he is an average starter.
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I think Cousins is above average, but he should have taken that deal.
 
He wants to be a martyr now for all the RB's in the league?

Keep tagging him as long as he is productive. Cheaper in the long term, it really is, because his shelf life isn't going to be what he thinks it's going to be.

And yes, I have no problem paying him $14 million next year (and maybe even $17 million the next year). Keep him hungry. Feed him touches.
 
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SteelerSask said:
An impression I get is that when the Cap gets expanded people think the Steelers have more play room to get players. The reality is that expansion of the cap is the NFLs way of instituting a pay increase. Remember when Bens new contract was like whooa. Carr will get 25 percent more and has never played in a playoff game. Kirk Cousins scoffed at 3 or 4 million less and he is an average starter.
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I dont agree with this. The owners lied or hid revenue to keep the cap down. The cap goes up because of the tv deals nothing to do with the owners
 
deljzc said:
He want to be a martyr now for all the RB's in the league?

Keep tagging him as long as he is productive. Cheaper in the long term, it really is, because his shelf life isn't going to be what he thinks it's going to be.

And yes, I have no problem paying him $14 million next year (and maybe even $17 million the next year). Keep him hungry. Feed him touches.
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I agree. The good part of this plan is that over the 3 year period, you'd be paying about what you would if you met his contract demands and, the year he is done, no cap hits from a big upfront bonus.
 
Another thought is why the hell do we need to be paying for a RB at $15 million/season when Roethlisberger isn't here and we're wallowing with Landry & Dobbs? Why do we want dead money to hit in 2020 when we are trying to re-build the team?

This logically should be the thinking for everything except maybe offensive and defensive lines. All the "bling" positions on offense should only really be committed to as long as Roethlisberger is our QB.... After that, you completely change your thinking on how to rebuild the offense.
 
Report: Bell turned down deal worth $42M over 1st 3 years; $12M average
Jack Browne Jul 18, 2017 11:52 AM
Le'Veon Bell is reportedly betting big on himself in 2017.

The running back is set to play this season on the $12.1-million franchise tag after the deadline passed Monday. However, the Pittsburgh Steelers apparently made a huge offer to stop that happening, proposing a contract that would pay Bell $12 million per year, sources told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero.

The deal would also pay Bell $30 million in the first two years and $42 million by the third year, adds Pelissero.

The contract would've made Bell the highest-paid running back by a wide margin, blowing past LeSean McCoy's $8 million per year.

More to come.


Looks like the Steelers did their part.
 
deljzc said:
Another thought is why the hell do we need to be paying for a RB at $15 million/season when Roethlisberger isn't here and we're wallowing with Landry & Dobbs? Why do we want dead money to hit in 2020 when we are trying to re-build the team?

This logically should be the thinking for everything except maybe offensive and defensive lines. All the "bling" positions on offense should only really be committed to as long as Roethlisberger is our QB.... After that, you completely change your thinking on how to rebuild the offense.
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I think we can still win with a QB this is, marginally, above average, as long as he isn't ******* up. I don't think Landry is that guy, and I have doubts that Dobbs is, either. Get a guy who will quickly check down to the TE or RB when needed (not too quickly). Importantly, get the ball out quickly, is key, without forcing too much, mobile enough to move the pocket on a rollout occasionally.
 
deljzc said:
Another thought is why the hell do we need to be paying for a RB at $15 million/season when Roethlisberger isn't here and we're wallowing with Landry & Dobbs? Why do we want dead money to hit in 2020 when we are trying to re-build the team?

This logically should be the thinking for everything except maybe offensive and defensive lines. All the "bling" positions on offense should only really be committed to as long as Roethlisberger is our QB.... After that, you completely change your thinking on how to rebuild the offense.
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With Bell in tow and a good young defense i think we would still be competive
 
antdrewjosh said:
Report: Bell turned down deal worth $42M over 1st 3 years; $12M average
Jack Browne Jul 18, 2017 11:52 AM
Le'Veon Bell is reportedly betting big on himself in 2017.

The running back is set to play this season on the $12.1-million franchise tag after the deadline passed Monday. However, the Pittsburgh Steelers apparently made a huge offer to stop that happening, proposing a contract that would pay Bell $12 million per year, sources told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero.

The deal would also pay Bell $30 million in the first two years and $42 million by the third year, adds Pelissero.

The contract would've made Bell the highest-paid running back by a wide margin, blowing past LeSean McCoy's $8 million per year.

More to come.


Looks like the Steelers did their part.
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$43m would be the tags if they turn out with what Del has above. The above doesn't say that this much was guaranteed, though, or how much was guaranteed.
 
ark steel said:
$43m would be the tags if they turn out with what Del has above. The above doesn't say that this much was guaranteed, though, or how much was guaranteed.
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Just anout to say that...What we still dont know is how much of the Steelers offer was fully guaranteed and when it comes to players not named Ben Roethlisberger, that amount is usually just a signing bonus. It sure would be nice to see the full layout of the offer, but these numbers are probably all we’re ever going to get.
 
As long as he is producing rap, we know he is hitting the ganja and will be suspended soon.....
 
Al and Tuitt will have more money available to them contract wise?
 
ark steel said:
As long as he is producing rap, we know he is hitting the ganja and will be suspended soon.....
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Not sure on the accuracy of this...
 
antdrewjosh said:
Report: Bell turned down deal worth $42M over 1st 3 years; $12M average
Jack Browne Jul 18, 2017 11:52 AM
Le'Veon Bell is reportedly betting big on himself in 2017.

The running back is set to play this season on the $12.1-million franchise tag after the deadline passed Monday. However, the Pittsburgh Steelers apparently made a huge offer to stop that happening, proposing a contract that would pay Bell $12 million per year, sources told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero.

The deal would also pay Bell $30 million in the first two years and $42 million by the third year, adds Pelissero.

The contract would've made Bell the highest-paid running back by a wide margin, blowing past LeSean McCoy's $8 million per year.

More to come.


Looks like the Steelers did their part.
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If that's true, they offered him a ******* HUGE deal and he basically said **** YOU to the Steelers and to us, the fans. I say **** YOU right back to him.
 
I like Bell. I do. But he's one of my "ice tub" guys.

Dale Lolley wrote an article, captured above that fails utterly to capture the reality of the LevBell situation. Now in fairness, the latest Bell injury loss was entirely the fault (in my humble opinion) of the offensive coaching staff. Nonetheless, Bell was useless for the AFCC game and that completely changed everything about that matchup and we all know how good Tomlin is at adjusting on the fly.

So let's get into the meat of this and stop F'n around, shall we?

In his 4 seasons, Bell has played a total of 47 regular season games. He could have played a maximum of 64. That means for the regular season, Bell has been available to the Steelers for just over 73% of the time. Of course we know that some of this absence has been due to injury and some has been due to his inability to regulate his drug addiction. (You like how I did that?)

Interestingly, Bell has never been able to participate in the playoffs for the Steelers until last year. Even the year he was able to play all 16 regular season games, he was not involved in the post-season. So this year was Bell's first ever playoff action.

And he was magnificent! He was extraordinary. Except that our moronic offensive coordinator couldn't come up with any other plan but to use him almost exclusively against Miami and Kansas City as well as extraordinarily heavily throughout the latter half of the season and by the time the AFCC game came around, arguably the time we needed him most - he was once more unable to play.

Now, I don't argue for a moment that Bell isn't the best all-purpose running back in the league. He is. But he is dramatically less effective when he isn't actually playing.

Over his career he's missed 17 regular season games for one reason or another and 3 playoff games. That's 20 altogether. Lolley pointed out impressively that the Steelers are 33-18 when Bell is playing. (That's a reasonably impressive .64% win record.) Lolley also laments the 11-9 record when Bell is unavoidably missing. (A less impressive, but still winning record of .55%) So it would seem that you can argue that Bell can give the Steelers a .09% improvement in record. (Of course that gets confusing when you average in Bryant's absence too, and the absolute dorkiness of Sammy Coates hand injury and how difficult it became for him to overcome the mental issues that evolved from that. But I digress...)

At the end of the day, it would appear if you wanted to be VERY SIMPLISTIC that Leveon is worth somewhere in the zone of .09% increase in your odds of winning games. (Nice!)

So! Are you willing to pay anywhere from $12.00 to $14.00 million a year PLUS guaranteed money AND give up an average of 5 games a year where he won't be availble PLUS some playoff games (given his already well established track record) for .09%? (Assuming of course you will need to commit to a minimum 4 year deal in terms of cap commitment.)

If your answer is yes, Well there you go. See? It isn't hard. It comes down to "What is he worth to you?"
 
TDX27 said:
If that's true, they offered him a ******* HUGE deal and he basically said **** YOU to the Steelers and to us, the fans. I say **** YOU right back to him.
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Way too personal my man. Its a business. When he is 28 and the Steelers decide he isnt worth it and cut him would you feel ******. He has every right to feel he is worth more. Whether or not the steelers agree doesnt make him wrong..its a business
 
if those numbers are true then it was close to what I said would be my final offer, 48M for 4 years. Personally I think that's a more than fair offer for a guy with substance abuse problems and a lot of previous injuries, but this is a free world and he can reject it and look for something better next offseason.

If I were his agent I would have recommended him to accept the offer, I think in the long run he will regret his choice. Hopefully for him he stays healthy and gets what he wants in FA
 
antdrewjosh said:
Way too personal my man. Its a business. When he is 28 and the Steelers decide he isnt worth it and cut him would you feel ******. He has every right to feel he is worth more. Whether or not the steelers agree doesnt make him wrong..its a business
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They offered him over 50% more than any other RB in the league is making. It is personal to him. It's all about the money and not the Steelers or the fans. 99% of the players that leave the Steelers say the grass isn't always greener. I guess he will find out when he is playing for Cleveland in a year or two.
 
Remember to take those numbers with a gain of salt. No one knows if they are real or not.
 
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TDX27 said:
They offered him over 50% more than any other RB in the league is making. It is personal to him. It's all about the money and not the Steelers or the fans. 99% of the players that leave the Steelers say the grass isn't always greener. I guess he will find out when he is playing for Cleveland in a year or two.
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Its his job why shouldnt it be all about the money. Look i love the steelers too and it will suck to see him play for anyone else. But he should go for all he can while he can. With the stuff coming out about players after football get all you can young man. Would love for it to be here but wont kick his back in if its not.
 
He has a right to feel he's worth more, but what's he going to do when they franchise him again next year?
 
Coryea said:
He has a right to feel he's worth more, but what's he going to do when they franchise him again next year?
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Play football. I think they were already counting that into the equation. So 26 million at least is guaranteed.
 
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