Kizer??

[steelhurt]

A lot of your highly rated QBs don't throw. Flacco was a 55. Stafford did not throw. Luck did not throw. No data on Rodgers, Ben, Cutler or Newton. I'd be surprised if any of them threw. As I said, most NFL QBs are in the 50-60 MPH range, but there is no correlation between MPH and QB success.

I don't think arm strength is an issue for Kizer though, played baseball through high school and could have pitched. Seems like I read he threw in the high-80s and that is pretty strong. In fact, when he was 3rd on the depth chart at Notre Dame, he thought about quitting football and playing baseball.

Still, plenty of QBs that don't punch big numbers on a radar gun can sling it around the yard. Manning was not known for his gun.

You mentioned Davis Webb in earlier post. That's my guy in this draft. I like what he brings to the table. I think if we could land him in the 3rd he'd be the perfect understudy to Ben.


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[Drink IRON City]

This would almost be as bad as taking a punter in the 4th round.

Sarcasm !!!!!!

Oh, please. That punter contributed a hell of a lot more than Shamarko Thomas has.

SARCASM. !!!!!

Peterman is probably the closest to NFL ready QB and he needs a year or two watching. 3/4 rounder most based on assessment. If he's there in those rounds he would be a good risk.


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You do realize br*dy is a known cheater and associated with a cheating organization. What part of his career is honest and what part is cheating ******* ?????

Brady was a backup to Drew Henson at Michigan

Again, that was before his true skills were perfected............

I believe Ben was clocked at 93 MPH at the combine that year.

LoL and yes, he ran a 4.43 40 time too !!!!




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[Stoney]

This really makes me want to see it happen. You would have boycotted last season if they had taken Dak Prescott in the first round. Consider for a moment how ******* retarded that is.

Happy to see someone cares this much about what I think.

Actually, I would've been upset if we took Prescott last year, it was not a need then and it would be even more of a waste this year. We are starving for talent on the defensive side of the ball, and this is one of the most talented defensive drafts in recent memory, but you'd prefer they draft the 4th rated QB in a weak QB class draft? One of us is retarded, and it ain't me.

The only reason not to draft defense would be for a 'can't miss' talent on offense, nobody believe Kizer is a 'can't miss' prospect.

 

[Stoney]

Ummmmm, that's some revisionist history.
Ben was not selected at our #11 spot to come in and play immediately.
He was actually slated to sit for the year until both Maddox and Batch got injured and was forced to play.
Soooooo, was that a "wasted" pick because he was going to sit and contribute nothing that year?
Put yourself in 2004 draft season mode, not "we already know how this plays out because it's 2017" mode.

Revisionist? You think Maddox and Batch were as valuable to the Steelers then as Ben is now? QB was a huge need in that draft, and they hit the lottery when Ben fell to them at 11. Sure it would've been nice to prep him for a year, but he was drafted to play as soon as he was ready. Are you telling me they would cut Ben and start Kizer in 2018 if they thought Kizer was read to play? I don't think so.

Ben was better than Maddox and Batch as soon as he was drafted, all he had to do was learn the system. Kizer is nowhere near as good as Ben, not this year, and not next year.

 

[Troglodyte]

I'll also add this, per the radar gun, Kizer threw 52 MPH. Guys with guns throw 60 MPH. In the mid-50s is comfortable but guys in the league range from 50-60. This highest this year was Davis Webb at 56. Several were at 55. Trubisky was at 51. Watson was at 45. Last draft, 56 MPH was tied for 4th and 55 MPH was tied for 8th. Connor Cook was the only guy below 52 last year and he clocked in at 50. All these were done at the combine.

Brady throws 44 MPH. No, I don't know, just sayin...

 

[Troglodyte]

Happy to see someone cares this much about what I think.

Actually, I would've been upset if we took Prescott last year, it was not a need then and it would be even more of a waste this year. We are starving for talent on the defensive side of the ball, and this is one of the most talented defensive drafts in recent memory, but you'd prefer they draft the 4th rated QB in a weak QB class draft? One of us is retarded, and it ain't me.

The only reason not to draft defense would be for a 'can't miss' talent on offense, nobody believe Kizer is a 'can't miss' prospect.

It's the NFL draft. There are no "can't miss" picks. Don't argue with me, argue with history. To pretend that you somehow know better is retarded. You're usually wrong.

 

[Stoney]

It's the NFL draft. There are no "can't miss" picks.

I know, that is what the 'quotes' are for.... but some are more likely to succeed than others, its what scouting is all about.

And who am I pretending to know better than? I am stating my opinion, its kind of what we do here.

Want to know where Kizer figures on Mike Mayock's list? He's #58. Does that sound like someone the Steelers must have at #30 in a position thats probably number 5 or 6 on their list of needs? But I guess you think you know better than Mike Mayock.

 

[ianv2012]

Happy to see someone cares this much about what I think.

Actually, I would've been upset if we took Prescott last year, it was not a need then and it would be even more of a waste this year. We are starving for talent on the defensive side of the ball, and this is one of the most talented defensive drafts in recent memory, but you'd prefer they draft the 4th rated QB in a weak QB class draft? One of us is retarded, and it ain't me.

The only reason not to draft defense would be for a 'can't miss' talent on offense, nobody believe Kizer is a 'can't miss' prospect.

I know, that is what the 'quotes' are for.... but some are more likely to succeed than others, its what scouting is all about.

And who am I pretending to know better than? I am stating my opinion, its kind of what we do here.

Want to know where Kizer figures on Mike Mayock's list? He's #58. Does that sound like someone the Steelers must have at #30 in a position thats probably number 5 or 6 on their list of needs? But I guess you think you know better than Mike Mayock.

Why call him retarded for giving his opinion when you then want to throw out the idea that your allowed to have an opinion and that it's what we do on this board, and it is. Yet, to call him retarded is to assume your opinion is more superior than his. You then bring up Mayock's list, but isn't that just Mayock's opinion? Is he always right on his lists? It's cool to have an opinion, but to insult others for their opinion only weakens your argumentation (it's called ad hominem). Debate is cool too, but debate the arguments, don't insult the person. Pulling Mayock out is also an appeal to authority fallacy, because if one draft analyst thinks your way or somehow affirms your belief than it must be true, and that is rarely the case especially in regards to the art of the nfl draft.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don't want to hear about how Notre Dame lost a bunch of guys to the NFL and that's why Kizer was bad last year. That may explain some struggles but going freaking 4-8? Sorry but they lost to Duke, NC State, and Navy. Anybody think any of those teams had more talent than ND?

He may have talent but everything i see from him is that he's selfish and thinks he's the greatest ever. Basically, he's a moody millennial who thinks he knows it all.

The comparison to Tom Brady is way off. Brady split time with Drew Henson because Henson was a Michigan legend. It was thought he's be the #1 overall pick one day. There was pressure to play Henson, but Brady always outplayed him and Brady had lots of big moments and wins in college.


I'm trying to like Josh Dobbs. He's so smart that you feel safe taking him but he has no instincts at all. That's what scares me about him. He may not be teachable. What i mean is, he may have the playbook memorized and be a whiz on the chalkboard by week 2 of training camp, but he may never be able to get past his smarts to just let it rip on the field. That is something that can't be taught.

Now maybe Tenn was beating him over the head with the mantra of "no turnovers, take care of the ball" and that is what made his so overly-cautious, but i'd be concerned about spending higher than a 6th on a QB who seems so robotic and destined to be a backup and future coach.

I like CJ Beatherd from Iowa better as a late rounder. Iowa did lose a bunch of guys so Beatherd didn't have a great senior year, but unlike Kizer, he was still able to help Iowa grind out 8 wins. Iowa has a very conservative offense so there are no eye popping stats for Beatherd but i like him as a late round guy.

 

[Stoney]

Why call him retarded for giving his opinion when you then want to throw out the idea that your allowed to have an opinion and that it's what we do on this board, and it is. Yet, to call him retarded is to assume your opinion is more superior than his. You then bring up Mayock's list, but isn't that just Mayock's opinion? Is he always right on his lists? It's cool to have an opinion, but to insult others for their opinion only weakens your argumentation (it's called ad hominem). Debate is cool too, but debate the arguments, don't insult the person. Pulling Mayock out is also an appeal to authority fallacy, because if one draft analyst thinks your way or somehow affirms your belief than it must be true, and that is rarely the case especially in regards to the art of the nfl draft.

You may want to look back a little further at posts #11 and #27.

And I'd disagree that Mayock is 'just one draft analyst', he is probably the consensus best talking head talent analyst out there. I think most people here would agree on that. Of course, he isn't right all the time, no one is, but he's right more often than others.

 

[ianv2012]

You may want to look back a little further to his first response to my original post in this thread (posts #11 and #27).

You're right, I enjoy debate just don't see the usefulness in insults

 

[TMC]

I'm trying to like Josh Dobbs. He's so smart that you feel safe taking him but he has no instincts at all. That's what scares me about him. He may not be teachable. What i mean is, he may have the playbook memorized and be a whiz on the chalkboard by week 2 of training camp, but he may never be able to get past his smarts to just let it rip on the field. That is something that can't be taught.

Now maybe Tenn was beating him over the head with the mantra of "no turnovers, take care of the ball" and that is what made his so overly-cautious, but i'd be concerned about spending higher than a 6th on a QB who seems so robotic and destined to be a backup and future coach.

I like Dobbs. I saw some throws/plays from him where the rush is bearing down on him and he moves a step and progresses through his reads to find a guy slipping open at the last minute. That Tennessee line was bad. He looks awkward playing sometimes, but the guy can play. Gruden put him on the whiteboard to diagram a play, he drew it out, Gruden asked him the progression and he states, it is 1-2-3 (as he marks them) if it is man but if they switch to zone, it is A-B (and marks two different guys). So, not only does he know the progressions, he knows what to do when the defense changes on the fly.

I think he has a shot to continue to progress into a good QB.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Sarcasm !!!!!!

You do realize br*dy is a known cheater and associated with a cheating organization. What part of his career is honest and what part is cheating ******* ?????

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DIC what does this have to do with my comment?


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[Troglodyte]

I know, that is what the 'quotes' are for.... but some are more likely to succeed than others, its what scouting is all about.

And who am I pretending to know better than? I am stating my opinion, its kind of what we do here.

Want to know where Kizer figures on Mike Mayock's list? He's #58. Does that sound like someone the Steelers must have at #30 in a position thats probably number 5 or 6 on their list of needs? But I guess you think you know better than Mike Mayock.

Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell were "more likely" to succeed than Warner, Brady, Prescott, Wilson, etc.

Declaring you would boycott a season based on a draft pick suggests you obviously think you know better than the Steelers.

Where did Mayock have Prescott last year? Wasn't Kizer Mayock's #1 QB when the season ended? And now he's doing dropped after not playing another down of football? That's the absurdity of the NFL draft you're not getting. I'm not for or against any pick. I realize everyone is more wrong about the draft than right.

 

[TMC]

I'd rather draft her:

https://www.fanragsports.com/now/kelsey-plum-chucks-t-shirt-ridiculously-far/

Damn urls.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I'd rather draft her:

https://www.fanragsports.com/now/kelsey-plum-chucks-t-shirt-ridiculously-far/

Damn urls.

dude,, I think she thew or throws a javelin or something in track....holy cow.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

This QB thing is smoke and mirrors. 3rd at the highest round is my prediction. And that only if a top tier dude falls. I think they want teams to take their QB in the first, not the second round,, in order to get another position to fall. Just my opinion.

 

[Coach]

I like Dobbs. I saw some throws/plays from him where the rush is bearing down on him and he moves a step and progresses through his reads to find a guy slipping open at the last minute. That Tennessee line was bad. He looks awkward playing sometimes, but the guy can play. Gruden put him on the whiteboard to diagram a play, he drew it out, Gruden asked him the progression and he states, it is 1-2-3 (as he marks them) if it is man but if they switch to zone, it is A-B (and marks two different guys). So, not only does he know the progressions, he knows what to do when the defense changes on the fly.

I think he has a shot to continue to progress into a good QB.

Dobbs did not look good at the senior bowl practices as a QB. Didn't he have 12 interceptions in his last 13 games? That is too many.

A project type, but a very fine young man. Yes he can run, but he looks a little thin to me and might not be able to take the pounding.

 

[TMC]

Dobbs did not look good at the senior bowl practices as a QB. Didn't he have 12 interceptions in his last 13 games? That is too many.

A project type, but a very fine young man. Yes he can run, but he looks a little thin to me and might not be able to take the pounding.

Guess you don't want a QB this year then because Mahommes threw 10 INTs in 12 games. The others are Watson (17/15), Webb (12/12), Trubisky (6/13), Evans (8/14), Kaaya (7/12), Kizer (9/12) and Peterman (7/12). So, you can strike a line through Watson, Mahommes, Kizer, and Webb.

Guess you are limited to trading up for Trubisky or selecting Evans, Kaaya, or Peterman. Well, if that is your sole basis for selecting a QB. It isn't mine.

 

[Coach]

Guess you don't want a QB this year then because Mahommes threw 10 INTs in 12 games. The others are Watson (17/15), Webb (12/12), Trubisky (6/13), Evans (8/14), Kaaya (7/12), Kizer (9/12) and Peterman (7/12). So, you can strike a line through Watson, Mahommes, Kizer, and Webb.

Guess you are limited to trading up for Trubisky or selecting Evans, Kaaya, or Peterman. Well, if that is your sole basis for selecting a QB. It isn't mine.

This is a weak year for QB's I like Webb and Peterman in rounds 2 or 3.

Yeah Webb threw 12 picks, but he also threw 37 touch down passes this year. A 3 to 1 TD to INT ratio is excellent.

 

[MT~Forged]

I'd rather draft her:

https://www.fanragsports.com/now/kelsey-plum-chucks-t-shirt-ridiculously-far/

Damn urls.

Was wondering if it was going to come down

 

[topseed]

NO WAY.

The guy (Kizer) lacks a fast ball, and threw 15 interceptions in his last 23 starts.

Dobbs did not look good at the senior bowl practices as a QB. Didn't he have 12 interceptions in his last 13 games? That is too many.

Ben threw 17 interceptions in 17 starts last year. And 15 in 13 starts in 2015, btw.

 

[topseed]

If Kizer is there at the end of the second round, I'd take a chance on him. If not, maybe Webb in the third.

 

[ianv2012]

If we don't take Kizer in the second I'd prefer Kaaya in the third

 

[ZACKB]

Kayaa is overrated. I'd take Kayaa in the 4th...no higher.