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The player to make our nickel shine in this draft

Baker is not a first round pick and he won't be a slot guy in the NFL! Any takers on a bet?

Swing and miss by TMC. No need to keep score.

PS I never said deep safety for Obi. I like him at an in the box type to mid range type of safety and linebacker in some formations.
 
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Coach said:
Baker is not a first round pick and he won't be a slot guy in the NFL! Any takers on a bet?

Swing and miss by TMC. No need to keep score.

PS I never said deep safety for Obi. I like him at an in the box type to mid range type of safety and linebacker in some formations.
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I'll take that bet. I bet he plays the slot in the NFL. I bet he is drafted higher that Melinfonwu.
 
Bet has been issued...what's the Win/Place/Show?

TMC win = coach muzzled for period?

Coach win = coach muzzled for a period?


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Versatile and athletic? Who can cover the slot and work in the box? Look not further than Jabrill peppers!! You can also check the box on returns.
 
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TMC said:
I'll take that bet. I bet he plays the slot in the NFL. I bet he is drafted higher that Melinfonwu.
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I do not think Baker will be the base slot guy for the majority of the snaps, but he may play there if someone gets hurt.

The bet I will take is Budda Baker will not be a first round pick. I will offer you this bet. The winner picks the loser's avatar rights here for 6 months with the rule of no X-rated or political stuff for photos. Are we on? Your track record when calling me out is not the best :) And with a crowd goading you on, I expect you to accept.

So let's entertain the board!

Who gets picked between first Melifonwu and Baker depends on the team with the pick.

If they need a centerfield type of safety, Baker. If they would rather have a bigger in the box safety with the ability to cover the taller TE's its Melifonwu.

I have read some of your older posts on players for the draft. While you write and present your thoughts well, accuracy is not your strongest suit.
 
CorpusDsteelers said:
Versatile and athletic? Who can cover the slot and work in the box? Look not further than Jabrill peppers!! You can also check the box on returns.
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I don't know about Peppers and worry Colbert and Tomlin might like him too much.

In 27 college games play he has just one pick. You have to question his ball instincts and perhaps hands. Peppers is under 6 feet tall, and his arms are on the shorter side. His long term speed to me is a bit of a question mark. While a 4.46 isn't bad, its not great either for a DB either. So he's really not that fast, and he's giving up too much height vs the taller WR's and TE's. Hardly a " shut down " slot guy, and one who does not make many plays on the ball.

D. Grant who rans a few hundred of a second faster was too slow in the NFL.

On the plus side is you can blitz with him and he's a decent return man. I see him as more of a round two type of player, who might sneak into round one based on his kick return ability.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jabrill-peppers-1.html
 
Coach said:
I do not think Baker will be the base slot guy for the majority of the snaps, but he may play there if someone gets hurt.

The bet I will take is Budda Baker will not be a first round pick. I will offer you this bet. The winner picks the loser's avatar rights here for 6 months with the rule of no X-rated or political stuff for photos. Are we on? Your track record when calling me out is not the best :) And with a crowd goading you on, I expect you to accept.

So let's entertain the board!

Who gets picked between first Melifonwu and Baker depends on the team with the pick.

If they need a centerfield type of safety, Baker. If they would rather have a bigger in the box safety with the ability to cover the taller TE's its Melifonwu.

I have read some of your older posts on players for the draft. While you write and present your thoughts well, accuracy is not your strongest suit.
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Right now, very few are presenting Baker as a first round pick. I'm pretty sure I never stated Baker was a first round lock, never even think I stated he should go in the first, so why make that your narrative. What you are attempting to do is hedge the bet in your favor. You have backed off the slot comment. Why not simply bet on who goes first. If you think Melinfonwu is better than Baker, nut up and state it. If Melinfonwu could backpedal like you, he'd be the first corner off the board. Quit waffling.

Simple bet, you think Melinfonwu is better, he should go first. If you have ONE hair on your nuts, that should be enough.
 
Coach said:
I have read some of your older posts on players for the draft. While you write and present your thoughts well, accuracy is not your strongest suit.
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Since you want to discuss accuracy. What did you state about Burns? How about Davis? What about Le'Veon Bell? What about Randy Gregory? Didn't you like Patterson and Lacy? What about Bjorn Werner?

It is really funny that you talk about accuracy not being my strongest suit when you ding Peppers for his long speed (4.46) and fall all over Melinfonwu, who ran a 4.40. Does that magical 0.06 make him lack long speed? You are such a dumbass.
 
Earliest I have seen Baker go in a mock is 1st pick of second round to Browns.
 
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Maybe since they are playing that Eagle front, they want guys they can rotate in more to keep Tuitt and Heyward fresh. Seems like I recall Heyward stating the feeling was they were playing too many snaps. Alualu could relieve some of that, but he inked a 2-year deal. Not sure Walton is that guy and if they plan on using some 3-man fronts with Hargrave, then you won't have a fresh Hargrave to use. I'm thinking that they hope Wormley works his way down to them in the 3rd. He is ranked anywhere from late 2nd through the 3rd.

But, what if you draft someone in the first and then watch positions like OLB and DB dry up before the second. I'd rather have Wormley than some much lower ranked tweener DE.
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Yep because they need backups behind Tuitt and Heyward who also provide a pass rush. Right now there are none
 
Hopefully my draft crush from Villanova is picked. Could play three positions 3-4 De, Nickle and Dime DE, and a little edge/OLB
 
You don't draft someone in the 1st rd to be the nickle!

We need another stud starter on offense waaaaaaaay before that
 
Shouldn't we start considering the nickle a starter in today's NFL
 
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Shouldn't we start considering the nickle a starter in today's NFL
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It is. Butler stated they play ~70% of the snaps from the nickel (or dime depending on if they have 2 ILBs are an ILB/safety combo). It is the new base defense. So, a 3rd corner should be considered a starter.
 
A nickle, a FIFTH defensive back USUALLY only plays on 3rd and long, unless you're playing Brady, then every down is a passing down
 
Steelers will NEVER try to build a team to beat the Pats, if that's what all this talk is about....and I think it is
 
Spike said:
Steelers will NEVER try to build a team to beat the Pats, if that's what all this talk is about....and I think it is
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Father time and Führer Roger Goodell will take care of them. But by the time that happens, we will be in a post franchise QB world.
 
TMC said:
Right now, very few are presenting Baker as a first round pick. I'm pretty sure I never stated Baker was a first round lock, never even think I stated he should go in the first, so why make that your narrative. What you are attempting to do is hedge the bet in your favor. You have backed off the slot comment. Why not simply bet on who goes first. If you think Melinfonwu is better than Baker, nut up and state it. If Melinfonwu could backpedal like you, he'd be the first corner off the board. Quit waffling.

Simple bet, you think Melinfonwu is better, he should go first. If you have ONE hair on your nuts, that should be enough.
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I never said Melinfonwu is a first round pick. You think Baker is. There is the bet. If you want to retract your statement that Baker is NOT a first round pick, the floor is yours to do so. Otherwise its chicken TMC.

If you read what I said, who goes first between them depends on the team needs. I'd rather easily embarrass you, as I surely will with the bet that Baker will NOT go in round one then flip a coin on two players with a near even type of grade.

As for Jarvis Jones, I was vocal and hated the pick. Patterson, even as a 4th WR and Pro Bowl kick return man would be a better pick.

Lacy won rookie of the year and would look even better with our OL, but he got fat and lazy. Bell did the opposite, he transformed his body from 240 to 215, but he has been suspended twice, and injured his knee twice.

Right now, I'd rather have Bell, but he has to test clean and stay healthy. I'm very glad the Steelers did not give Bell a long term deal.
 
Coach said:
I never said Melinfonwu is a first round pick. You think Baker is. There is the bet. If you want to retract your statement that Baker is NOT a first round pick, the floor is yours to do so. Otherwise its chicken TMC.

If you read what I said, who goes first between them depends on the team needs. I'd rather easily embarrass you, as I surely will with the bet that Baker will NOT go in round one then flip a coin on two players with a near even type of grade.

As for Jarvis Jones, I was vocal and hated the pick. Patterson, even as a 4th WR and Pro Bowl kick return man would be a better pick.

Lacy won rookie of the year and would look even better with our OL, but he got fat and lazy. Bell did the opposite, he transformed his body from 240 to 215, but he has been suspended twice, and injured his knee twice.

Right now, I'd rather have Bell, but he has to test clean and stay healthy. I'm very glad the Steelers did not give Bell a long term deal.
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Aside from Tombert and Butler can you name one person who also liked the pick?
 
Coach said:
I never said Melinfonwu is a first round pick. You think Baker is. There is the bet. If you want to retract your statement that Baker is NOT a first round pick, the floor is yours to do so. Otherwise its chicken TMC.

If you read what I said, who goes first between them depends on the team needs. I'd rather easily embarrass you, as I surely will with the bet that Baker will NOT go in round one then flip a coin on two players with a near even type of grade.

As for Jarvis Jones, I was vocal and hated the pick. Patterson, even as a 4th WR and Pro Bowl kick return man would be a better pick.

Lacy won rookie of the year and would look even better with our OL, but he got fat and lazy. Bell did the opposite, he transformed his body from 240 to 215, but he has been suspended twice, and injured his knee twice.

Right now, I'd rather have Bell, but he has to test clean and stay healthy. I'm very glad the Steelers did not give Bell a long term deal.
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Look, it is pretty simple. I've stated I would take Baker with our first. But, I'm not 32 NFL teams. Hey, if you are so keen on him not being worth anything and Melinfonwu is better, it should be obvious that he goes before Baker. You even said this:
If the pass rushers are gone, and the top corners are gone at pick #30, this could be the comprise pick in round one.
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So, you think he is worthy of a first round pick. Nut up buttercup. You are attempting to make this about needs, but Jamal Adams isn't going to fall out of the first round because teams don't need a SS. If Melinfonwu is talented, he will get taken. There are likely as many teams needing free safeties as there are strong safeties. Melinfonwu is a strong to you, right? I mean, you don't think teams are going to pass on Adams because they want a free and not a strong, yet you think they will pass on Melinfonwu. That doesn't sound very confident. ****, embarrass me, if you have the sack....but I bet Baker goes before Melinfonwu. I don't even hear you really contesting that, just trying to push me into Baker in the first. So, your words and your type of idea, why don't we bet on Melinfonwu. I bet he won't be a first, won't be a compromise in the first, won't even be a consideration in the first, and WON'T go ahead of Baker. Or, are you now stating he isn't worth a first? Otherwise, its chicken Coach. Is that how it goes? In your thread, in print in the opening post, you state he should be a first round consideration. I bet he won't. Do you have any fuzzy on those nuts little one?

As for Jarvis Jones, you hated the pick and wanted Patterson, a ******* bust. You want to spend a first round pick on a return man that cannot find the field in normal sets? The Vikings did not even offer him a second contract. And, Lacy took his piss poor game to Seahawks as they replaced BeastMode with FeastMode. And you hammer Bell? Bell did not "transform his body from 240 to 215" because he was 230 at the combine, not 240. He never hit the league anywhere CLOSE to 240. He was 225 in camp his rookie season. You were just flat out wrong, like short bus window licker wrong. You wanted a guy that is eating his way out of the league over the BEST RB in the league and instead of admitting you were wrong, you latch on to crap like him have to stay "clean and stay healthy". You are a joke, not even in the realm of knock, knock and pathetically not funny.

And, just remember, you were the one begging for me to come here so you could teach me a thing or two. I'm still waiting.
 
Just a small point. Making a bet for 6mos on a shoe string hypothetical is way out of the realm of a fun or fair bet. A week maybe, but 6mos? That's like seeing an all in bet on the first hand of a million dollar tourney. No smart player would ever make that bet, because it lacks value...

And your value does not merit 6mos. 6 days perhaps, not 6mos...
 
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