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I'm sure I'll get bashed for hating on Brown, but...

Here how I think it will play out. As much as a distraction that AB has been no one can deny his abilities on the football field. I think everyone will agree with that. The Steelers will try to sign him to an extension but the age factor of signing him long term at 29 and the past distractions will play into what the offer is. I think it will be a fair offer ranking up there with the top 2 or three receivers but I don't think they will break the bank and put him out there by himself. However I think that's what AB may be looking for and may not settle for less. In that case as much as it pains everyone you have to look for a trading partner willing to give up premium draft picks and one that will also pay him what he wants. It would be foolish for the Steelers to break the bank on some ridiculous contract for a 29 year old under sized receiver. What if he hits the wall in a couple years? Then you're stuck! I think it will come down to AB being happy with what the Steelers offer and if they can work it out where they don't break the bank and jeopardize signing other players. I'm afraid that AB will treat this like he does his stats. All about him and if that's the case you have to move on this year rather than next year where he signs with some team and you get nothing but a comp pick.
 
IMO it'll come down to length of contract, hrs going to be 29, not sure how much longer Ben will be here, you don't want to pay Brown big time money if Ben hangs them up, and if you give Brown a 5 year deal, that makes him 34 his final season, not good for a guy that relies on his speed and quickness
 
You franchise Bell this year and Brown next year.
 
Having Martavis on the other side would have negated all of this bullshit. Period. It would have opened up soooo much. AB is not double / triple teamed. Defenses not able to cheat up to stop Bell.

THIS was our year. We were ONE game away from competing for #7. Having Martavis would have allowed us to win a few of those games we lost, giving us a better seed, and maybe home field. We could have been in the Super Bowl this year.

Martavis let the whole team down, the ownership, the fans. Can we trust him going forward? His selfishness let us all down.

That being said, I really think next year we'll be better. Add Martavis to the current lineup, and our offense is instantly better. Our defense is improving. Our rookies (Artie, Sean, Javon) have a year under their belts, Bud and Heyward will be back. Who knows if Senquez will ever make an appearance, but if he does, that improves the D. We need an edge rushing OLB in a BAD way. And another corner to replace Cockrell.

We are SO close. Sad that this year was wasted.
 
Coryea said:
IMO it'll come down to length of contract, hrs going to be 29, not sure how much longer Ben will be here, you don't want to pay Brown big time money if Ben hangs them up, and if you give Brown a 5 year deal, that makes him 34 his final season, not good for a guy that relies on his speed and quickness
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C'mon dude, no NFL contract is more than a 3-year deal. Years 4 and 5 are basically option years. This isn't baseball.
 
SteelerAl said:
C'mon dude, no NFL contract is more than a 3-year deal. Years 4 and 5 are basically option years. This isn't baseball.
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Ummm didn't Heyward just sign a 6 year deal and Decastro a 5 year deal?
 
Yes they maybe option years but they still count against your cap.
 
Having Bryant most definitely helps AB. No doubt! The question is can you depend on Bryant????? They may have to either draft a receiver high or sign one .


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Coryea said:
Ummm didn't Heyward just sign a 6 year deal and Decastro a 5 year deal?
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So we were stuck with Lamar Woodley for 6 seasons? Are you really that dense? Length of contract is rarely an issue in the NFL because you can cut the guy after 3 years with little cost. Hence what I said about years 4 and 5 being basically options.
 
SteelerAl said:
So we were stuck with Lamar Woodley for 6 seasons? Are you really that dense? Length of contract is rarely an issue in the NFL because you can cut the guy after 3 years with little cost. Hence what I said about years 4 and 5 being basically options.
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Woodley counted as 8.5 million against our cap in 2015, yeah he was gone but he was still killing our cap, 2 years after he was released
 
SteelerAl said:
So we were stuck with Lamar Woodley for 6 seasons? Are you really that dense? Length of contract is rarely an issue in the NFL because you can cut the guy after 3 years with little cost. Hence what I said about years 4 and 5 being basically options.
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We may not have been stuck with him...but we sure as hell were stuck with his dead money which if I remember correctly was around $14 mil and I think was spread over 2 years not exactly what I would call little cost
 
Steeler Pride said:
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/02/27/learning-the-basics-steelers-salary-cap-101-contract-restructures-and-back-loaded-deals/

Al needs to learn what a back loaded contract is and why it is not EASY to cut a player after 3 years.
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You guys know exactly dick. The reason it was costly to cut Woodley was because we restructured his deal. That's how a team gets itself into cap trouble, not signing a guy to a 5 or 6 year deal and then parting ways after 3 seasons. That's the reason Timmons counted $15 million against the cap this year.
 
SteelerAl said:
You guys know exactly dick. The reason it was costly to cut Woodley was because we restructured his deal. That's how a team gets itself into cap trouble, not signing a guy to a 5 or 6 year deal and then parting ways after 3 seasons. That's the reason Timmons counted $15 million against the cap this year.
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Hey sherlock, if you pay a guy 40 million dollars over 6 years, but spread the bulk of the cap costs out over the last 4 years, the money still has to count against the cap whether you cut the guy or not. If you front load the contract with Bonus money the bulk of the cap hit can be delayed to the back half of the contract. Thus why it is not easy to cut a player after 3 years.
 
Steeler Pride said:
Hey sherlock, if you pay a guy 40 million dollars over 6 years, but spread the bulk of the cap costs out over the last 4 years, the money still has to count against the cap whether you cut the guy or not. If you front load the contract with Bonus money the bulk of the cap hit can be delayed to the back half of the contract. Thus why it is not easy to cut a player after 3 years.
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It is easy and teams do it all the time. As long as you don't restructure the deal or pay an insanely high signing bonus, the dead money hit of cutting a guy after year 3 is quite tolerable. Heck, most NFL players that sign that type of deal don't see year 4.
 
SteelerAl said:
It is easy and teams do it all the time. As long as you don't restructure the deal or pay an insanely high signing bonus, the dead money hit of cutting a guy after year 3 is quite tolerable. Heck, most NFL players that sign that type of deal don't see year 4.
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Do you talk in anything other than rash generalities?
 
Coach said:
I'm close to being for this trade. Ben Makes Brown elite, not the other way around!

Brown to the Titans ( who need WR's badly ) for their 5th and 18th pick.

Give me OJ Howard at pick #18 ( Should be on the board ) and trade down from the 5th pick, getting a mid first, and 2nd and a 4th, and using the 1st or 2nd on a WR.
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WHy don't we ask for their picks in rd 2 and 3 as well?
They aren't giving up #5 and #18 for AB. Sorry...only franchise level QBs get that type of compensation.
 
They pushed money back to save on the current years cap that happens almost every season.
 
Coryea said:
Ed Bouchette said he thinks they'll attempt to sign him, but if he's asking to much they'll look to move him
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Yeah - that's the one reason I could see them moving on from AB.
If he wants upwards of 15mil per year (and I suspect he will), i would field offers for him.
Nothing less than a top-15 pick and a 4th or so though.
 
Someone mentioned this earlier as well - signing guys like Tuitt, Shazier and Villy/Dupree in 2 years, could make the brass think differently about AB.
You give this guy 15mil per year and you have to start wondering how you pay the guys you drafted to build the defense in the past 2-3 drafts.
Tuitt and Shazier have earned large contracts and will get them in the Burgh. They are model Steelers...they won't go anywhere.

Just spitballing here...
 
oicu8ad said:
We are SO close. Sad that this year was wasted.
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With our coaching, I don't think we were close, even if Bell had played the entire game. If Tomlin is head coach, the remaining years of Ben's career are wasted.
 
Even with Bell, our defense wasn't going to give us a shot to win that game
 
For a general rule of thumb on 5-year contracts.

If you don't renegotiate, you need to get 3 years of solid play to make them worth it.

For every time you renegotiate, you need to get 1 more year of solid play.

That's it. That's the rule.

Woodley signed his big deal in 2011. He renegotiated once. That means we needed 4 good years. He gave us 10 starts (9 sacks), 13 starts (4 sacks), 11 starts (5 sacks).

That's about 2 seasons total. Thus, he kind of ****** us in the big scheme of things.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Are you a ******* ******* or what? Garbage time vs Miami? He had 100 yards in the first quarter.

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Not to mention the TD vs Baltimore, or the first down vs the Chiefs....

I'm telling you all right now if things deteriorate to the point Brown gets shipped, the so called "window" everyone seems to think we have been in the last few years is officially shut.

He isnt going anywhere.
 
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