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OCs, including Haley, overrated

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Coach said:
There was a thread a while back. The Steelers are middle of the pack in terms of red zone TD's. However, our skill players and OL are elite.

A bit of a head scratcher.
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how long did we have those elites playing together last season? This, also, was talked in that previous thread.
 
Coach said:
Well, there have been some major rule changes that favor passing and scoring since 2007. You can't touch WR's, tackles can line up a 1/2 step behind the line of scrimmage, legal hits are not fouls, etc...

So I prefer to judge the Steelers relative to other teams ranking in the red zone, not in a percentage.

We have more talent than most NFL teams of offense. Yet in the red zone we are average. Haley's play calling is part of the reason.
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LOL. OK. Ben with the Bus and 3yards and a cloud of dust got over 50% RZ offense 1 out of 3 years. They didn't need no fricken favorable WR rules. Tomlin's team has done it 7 of 9 seasons.

Just to be clear. I'm talking about RZ% as shown in NFL stats. I think that includes FG's. The Steelers were 10th in the NFL. TD% they were 13th.

I should be charging for this education. So, now we have moved the post to "different rules". So, all teams had to play by the different rules (not to mention that many of us believe that the Steelers passing game does NOT benefit from these rules in the RZ because they, generally, play better passing game where there is more room to move around and not cut off by the EZ), team ranking should be good enough?

Again, Cowher over 50% once. Tomlin over 50% 8 out of 9 years. But hey, easier passing rules. Look at the rankings. Seems similar, eh? Cowher = great....Tomlin = Subpar.

2015 was a 5% increase over 2014.

[TABLE="width: 265"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD]Year
[/TD]
[TD]Rank
[/TD]
[TD]RZ TD%
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2003
[/TD]
[TD]16
[/TD]
[TD] 50.00
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2004
[/TD]
[TD]21
[/TD]
[TD] 49.23
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2005
[/TD]
[TD]4
[/TD]
[TD] 62.50
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006
[/TD]
[TD]17
[/TD]
[TD] 50.00
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007
[/TD]
[TD]7
[/TD]
[TD] 59.32
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2008
[/TD]
[TD]14
[/TD]
[TD] 55.93
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009
[/TD]
[TD]22
[/TD]
[TD] 48.21
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2010
[/TD]
[TD]15
[/TD]
[TD] 52.46
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2011
[/TD]
[TD]17
[/TD]
[TD] 50.91
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2012
[/TD]
[TD]12
[/TD]
[TD] 55.10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2013
[/TD]
[TD]16
[/TD]
[TD] 52.93
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2014
[/TD]
[TD]19
[/TD]
[TD] 51.72
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2015
[/TD]
[TD]13
[/TD]
[TD] 57.14
[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]
 
How many HC's would look average or worse with Landry and Vick?
 
ark steel said:
But the point, in case you missed it, is that the RZ %, while in the middle of the pack last year, are higher than ever under Tomlin. Even higher than "Cowher's player" achieved in Tomlins first couple of years. I don't know if anyone remembers, but last year, the Steelers were missing a starting RB and a starting center. For part of the year they were missing the starting LT and a first year LT was playing that spot. Maybe, just maybe, with healthy starters on the OL, the RZ% increases even more?

I stopped it at 2007 because that was Tomlin's first year.

Going back from 2006 to 2004, I see 50.0, 60.71, 45.90.
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The odd thing is how is a team so good at 2-point conversions, so poor at redzone TDs?

I understand that RZ is inside the 20 and 2pt from the 2 but you'd think that a team good at 2 ptc would also be good at RZ scoring.
 
He is the right OC for Ben but he is not a great OC. The way I see it Ben likes to hold the ball for 6 sec and Haley wants the ball gone in under 2.5sec. The sweet sport we are are operating under is just the the balance between hero football Ben and 3-yds per play Haley. Hope we can keep it going because it is working pretty well.
 
POP said:
The odd thing is how is a team so good at 2-point conversions, so poor at redzone TDs?

I understand that RZ is inside the 20 and 2pt from the 2 but you'd think that a team good at 2 ptc would also be good at RZ scoring.
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I agree, it is odd.
 
Given the number of fans who think they know more or could do the job better maybe all coaches are overrated.
 
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