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And I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole in the 1st round round.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachpet...utm_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers#2ece9e8464d3

Yea, he is super athletic and that, but I wouldn't touch him in the 1st considering he has a total of zero career interceptions in college. Zero.

We already had this player; his name is Ike Taylor, but you take Ike Taylor's in the 4th round, not the 1st.

If you take a CB in the 1st he better be able to make some pics, period.

 
http://www.postandcourier.com/artic...n-corner-with-the-lack-of-stats-to-back-it-up

LEMSON – It was puzzling when Phil Steele, who knows more about college football than you do about anything, listed a certain Clemson cornerback as a third-team preseason all-ACC defensive back.

Mackensie Alexander, bested by eight other ACC DBs? Could it be?

Preseason accolades and prognostications are as useful as the points on Whose Line Is It Anyway?, the remote during a World Cup final and, well, preseason watch lists. However, they do do a great job of riling us up.

The reality is, Alexander’s being overlooked for a couple reasons. One, he doesn’t talk to the media that much, and like it or not, exposure is the catalyst to recognition.

And two – more importantly – he plays a position where silence is a virtue. Where statistics (22 tackles, six deflected passes, zero interceptions) don’t tell the whole story.

Well, as it turns out, longtime sports information director Tim Bourret can tell the whole story. Bourret, who knows more about Clemson than Steele does about college football and you know about anything combined, broke down film of Alexander’s true impact during his freshman campaign of 2014 and called it “Alexander’s hidden stats.”

Here’s what Bourret unearthed:

- Opponents threw 374 passes on Alexander’s team-leading 766 snaps. Only 57 were directed at Alexander’s man (or 15.2 percent of attempts.)

- Those 57 passes toward Alexander resulted in 20 completions for 280 yards and two touchdowns. That’s a completion percentage of 35.1 percent.

- Opposing passing numbers vs. Alexander includes FSU QB Sean Maguire’s 74-yarder to Rashad Greene when Alexander slipped on the Doak Campbell Stadium grass; take out that turf monster banana peel, and the numbers turn to 19 catches, 206 yards and one touchdown in 13 games.

- During a five-game stretch spanning October and early November – most of which was with star quarterback Deshaun Watson sidelined due to injury and the Tigers locked in defensive battles – Alexander faced 14 pass attempts. He permitted one catch for minus-two yards.

- Including the Greene gain, Alexander targets yielded just nine yards a completion and 4.9 yards an attempt.

- The Greene catch was the only one all year gaining 20 or more yards against Alexander all year.

Here is Bourret’s full Alexander chart:

Opponent | Completions-Attempts, Yards (TDs)

Georgia | 2-2, 9 (0)

S.C. State | 1-1, 2 (0)

Florida State | 3-9, 102 (1)

North Carolina | 4-7, 51 (1)

N.C. State | 0-2, 0 (0)

Louisville | 0-3, 0 (0)

Boston College | 1-4, -2 (0)

Syracuse | 0-3, 0 (0)

Wake Forest | 0-2, 0 (0)

Georgia Tech | 3-6, 52 (0)

Georgia State | 1-6, 17 (0)

South Carolina | 4-5, 36 (0)

Oklahoma | 1-7, 13 (0)

TOTALS | 20-57, 280 (2)
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I thought the same thing until I read this article and watched his limited highlights. No one throws his way because they are always covered. The question is if they throw his way what type of ball skills does he have? I want to see how he catches the ball. If he looks natural doing so or if he fights the ball or lets it get to his chest.
 
And I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole in the 1st round round.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachpet...utm_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers#2ece9e8464d3

Yea, he is super athletic and that, but I wouldn't touch him in the 1st considering he has a total of zero career interceptions in college. Zero.

We already had this player; his name is Ike Taylor, but you take Ike Taylor's in the 4th round, not the 1st.

If you take a CB in the 1st he better be able to make some pics, period.



Well, Gerrod Holliman had 14 interceptions in one season and is now on his third team I believe. I don't care about the interceptions, gimme the guy who shuts his receiver down.
 
Well, Gerrod Holliman had 14 interceptions in one season and is now on his third team I believe. I don't care about the interceptions, gimme the guy who shuts his receiver down.

This, I will take the guy that has his man so locked that he is not open at all, those stats are eye popping and goes to show why he has zero interceptions. We shall see his hands at the combine and if he shows pretty natural hands I would be good with him at 25.
 
This, I will take the guy that has his man so locked that he is not open at all, those stats are eye popping and goes to show why he has zero interceptions. We shall see his hands at the combine and if he shows pretty natural hands I would be good with him at 25.

Here's an important factor: What do many (most?) of our wins have in common? We won the turnover battle (someone look it up, but I know at one point last year that was the case, _AND_ it is the case in most games across the league).

Under Butler, the team started to value turnovers more, as opposed to the LeBeau way, where players like Ryan Clark would profess "Hard hits are more valuable than interceptions."

Well, that may have been true, back when you could actually hit the receiver, but hard hits draw flags and instant first downs. Sure, to some degree, hard its still factor in, but no where like they used to.

Bottom line: You pair our offense with two turnovers a game, and we are very tough to beat. Of course, there are no end-all conclusions. Of course you can show me a guy who had 14 picks in college who can't make it in the NFL.

But turnovers are huge, and this guy has shown zero ability to get them. Does it mean he totally sucks? No. But is a guy who makes no picks worth a 1st round pick? Not in my book. Not today.

Even a handful of picks over a season will translate to more wins. If your #1 CB nabs 6 picks a season, it will likely lead to being a difference maker in 4 games or so.

Ike was a solid CB, but his ridiculous lack of hands made him a 4th round pick, where he was a great value.
 
This, I will take the guy that has his man so locked that he is not open at all, those stats are eye popping and goes to show why he has zero interceptions. We shall see his hands at the combine and if he shows pretty natural hands I would be good with him at 25.

yeap, let's wait for the combine before calling him stone hands
 
Well, Gerrod Holliman had 14 interceptions in one season and is now on his third team I believe. I don't care about the interceptions, gimme the guy who shuts his receiver down.

Here's an important factor: What do many (most?) of our wins have in common? We won the turnover battle (someone look it up, but I know at one point last year that was the case, _AND_ it is the case in most games across the league).

Under Btheer, the team started to value turnovers more, as opposed to the LeBeau way, where players like Ryan Clark would profess "Hard hits are more valuable than interceptions."

Well, that may have been true, back when you could actually hit the receiver, but hard hits draw flags and instant first downs. Sure, to some degree, hard its still factor in, but no where like they used to.

Bottom line: You pair our offense with two turnovers a game, and we are very tough to beat. Of course, there are no end-all conclusions. Of course you can show me a guy who had 14 picks in college who can't make it in the NFL.

But turnovers are huge, and this guy has shown zero ability to get them. Does it mean he totally sucks? No. But is a guy who makes no picks worth a 1st round pick? Not in my book. Not today.

Even a handful of picks over a season will translate to more wins. If your #1 CB nabs 6 picks a season, it will likely lead to being a difference maker in 4 games or so.

Ike was a solid CB, but his ridiculous lack of hands made him a 4th round pick, where he was a great value.

Did you completely miss the stats that Ford posted that showed no teams threw his direction, which leads to a lot less chances of intercepting, the amount of snaps he played, the ball was thrown his direction all of 15%, that is ridiculous, dude hasn't had the chance to show he could cause turnovers because teams were avoiding his direction. To assert he can't force turnovers based on the amount of targets he saw his way is ludicrous. That's a testimony to how much in excellent position he is in to the guy he's covering, so arguing from an unknown. The fact that the guy can flat out shutdown WRs is something that is obvious, so I'll take having a guy who can eliminate the other teams 1 or 2, and in the NFL he'll have far more chances to create turnovers as teams won't be as shy to throw his way and then you may have yourself a perennial pro bowler. You keep comparing him to Ike, but there isn't a legitimate comparison because Ike couldn't catch, we don't know this guy's ability to catch yet, because he hasn't had nearly enough chances to show that aspect. We will get a good look at his hands at the combine.
 
INT stats never tell the whole story if it did a certain late draft pick would still be on the roster.

I will take a pure cover corner over a guy who gets a INT but gives up a TD on the next drive.......
 
I guess you have to assume the stats are accuratexpected and take at face value. For those passes thrown his way, it is showing 35% completion rate. How much of those 65% incompletions due to his pla vs shifty throws, drops, etc.

Lastly, if he is that good, he is unlikely to be available at 1.25, so it won't matter..
 
Did you completely miss the stats that Ford posted that showed no teams threw his direction, which leads to a lot less chances of intercepting, the amount of snaps he played, the ball was thrown his direction all of 15%, that is ridiculous, dude hasn't had the chance to show he could cause turnovers because teams were avoiding his direction. To assert he can't force turnovers based on the amount of targets he saw his way is ludicrous. That's a testimony to how much in excellent position he is in to the guy he's covering, so arguing from an unknown. The fact that the guy can flat out shutdown WRs is something that is obvious, so I'll take having a guy who can eliminate the other teams 1 or 2, and in the NFL he'll have far more chances to create turnovers as teams won't be as shy to throw his way and then you may have yourself a perennial pro bowler. You keep comparing him to Ike, but there isn't a legitimate comparison because Ike couldn't catch, we don't know this guy's ability to catch yet, because he hasn't had nearly enough chances to show that aspect. We will get a good look at his hands at the combine.

How often did teams target players covered by Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson and Richard Sherman? Barely ever. And yet....

Rod 71 picks
Deion 53

Sherman twice had 8 picks in one season
 
How often did teams target players covered by Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson and Richard Sherman? Barely ever. And yet....

Rod 71 picks
Deion 53

Sherman twice had 8 picks in one season

how many pure cover cornerbacks are on the Steelers roster?

I'll hang up and listen


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Well, Gerrod Holliman had 14 interceptions in one season and is now on his third team I believe. I don't care about the interceptions, gimme the guy who shuts his receiver down.

How often did teams target players covered by Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson and Richard Sherman? Barely ever. And yet....

Rod 71 picks
Deion 53

Sherman twice had 8 picks in one season

You keep wanting to throw this whole INT thing as if him only seeing 15% of passes his way didn't matter, Antwon Blake had 2 ints and a FF so why bother because clearly Blake is better in terms of creating turnovers based on your rule stick.
 
Most interceptions sre irrelivent to the game.. The turnover stat people love to quote reflects teams forcing the ball, which happens more when behind which is why teams have a lousy win percentage when having lots of turnovers.

The real reason ball skills are important is that teams will test good coverage with guys who cant catch, while they will not with playmakers...
 
He does drop an easy INT, but he wraps up when he tackles. A CB that wraps up is a rare player. I like that much, and apparently he's got some juice. I like juice. All kinds of juice...not man juice, but his music choice tends to make me believe he's got the juice. Wonder what kind of juice it is? Hmmmmmmmm!?
 
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And I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole in the 1st round round.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachpet...utm_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers#2ece9e8464d3

Yea, he is super athletic and that, but I wouldn't touch him in the 1st considering he has a total of zero career interceptions in college. Zero.

We already had this player; his name is Ike Taylor, but you take Ike Taylor's in the 4th round, not the 1st.

If you take a CB in the 1st he better be able to make some pics, period.



Crazy talk. If Alexander is there @1.25 - take him. LOCK DOWN CB!!!
 
Ike was a solid CB, but his ridiculous lack of hands made him a 4th round pick, where he was a great value.

Yeah and I'd be willing to wager if teams knew what kind of career Ike was going to have he'd be a first round pick.
 
I want picks. They change the course of the game, period. The Dick LeBeau "we don't care about ints" era is over, forever.
 
I want picks. They change the course of the game, period. The Dick LeBeau "we don't care about ints" era is over, forever.

Link please. Coach LeBeau never has said "we don't care about ints". Coach L defensive schemes involve 3 directives. 1. Stop the run, 2. Pressure the QB (for bad throws resulting in picks, or incompletions), 3. Tackle the catch on down/distance (to prevent 1st downs and get off the field). Been that way since his first stint with Cowher, as he, Cowher, Dom Capers, Marvin Lewis worked up his zone blitz to what it became and still is.

While you are at it, find the link where Ryan Clark stated hard hits were better than turnovers... Ludicrous.
 
Since the Steelers front office told us how important turnovers are in college 10 months ago after picking Golson and Holliman in the draft, it wouldn't shock me at all if they spout some new "criteria" and pick this guy in round 1.

Not that I care (I'll wait to watch the kids tape).

It would just be very typical of how the Steelers just B.S. important criteria to the fans that are different year to year and give no faith to me they have any strong philosophy or faith in their secondary evaluation process.
 
I want picks. They change the course of the game, period. The Dick LeBeau "we don't care about ints" era is over, forever.

Lebeau's defenses had plenty of INTs when they had a pass rush and good DBs. The last few years the steelers haven't had either so INTs fell off. Last year the pass rush was better and there were more INTs.

It's true that Lebeau's system allows you to get away without the top notch CBs but that doesn't mean the system works with just anybody out there. The CBs have been below the line for years now and it has only been the scheme that has managed to mask that at all.
 
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I want picks. They change the course of the game, period. The Dick LeBeau "we don't care about ints" era is over, forever.

I just want a corner who can change the course of the game. As for Lebeau. I'm sure he cared about int's. The guy is a legend
 
As stated, if his hands are good at the combine we'll have no shot at him @25. But hopefully it causes another player to drop down boards to us.
 
after the **** show in our secondary recently, i'd gladly take a younger ike taylor in the first
 
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