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Jason Whitlock blasts Tomlin

wig said:
I believe in the the entirety of the clip regarding Nelson, there is reason to believe Nelson is making unnecessary advance on Toussaint after the play is over. I don't think Munch is trying to pull his hair so much as restrain him from making a "heat of the moment" mistake in continuing a play out of bounds. It certainly LOOKS like Nelson takes an extra and completely unnecessary step towards Toussaint after both players' initial momentum has been stopped. Therefore I think Munch is reacting. In the act his hand DOES become entangled with spider hair. That's just going to be a side-effect from a guy who doesn't wash his hair for 6 years. It gets tangled and nasty like that - easy to get tangled up in.

I'm not trying to be mean, that's just logic.

I felt at the time that Shazier was being tasteless in his celebration after the hit on their running back. I believed it was going to incite the Bengals. Clearly it did. Shazier would have been better served as would the team had he simply gone to the sideline and gone about his business. Neither Greg Lloyd nor James Harrison would ever have put on such a display. That said, I can understand a young man celebrating a career day and a fumble recovery returned for a TD. I can also understand getting ahead on a hated rival, particularly one with a record of cheap-shots. But the truth is, we like to believe we hold ourselves to a higher standard and the celebration while a player is hurt is most assuredly NOT that standard. I cannot be truly supportive of that. I am quite proud of all the rest of Shazier's accomplishments in the game. He was absolutely our MVP.

Mr. Whitlock would do well to watch the clips of THAT segment carefully. There are MANY Bengals coaches on the field. One of them even puts his hands on a Steeler player. I expect Whitlock will be putting together a segment shrieking about the poor coaching of Lewis and how he cannot control his coaching as well.

Regarding the Jones incident, all contact was initiated by Bengals players. Porter was following Brown, Burfict put his hand on Brown, it was pushed away by a trainer who believed the gesture wholly inappropriate. That hand struck Porter. Porter reacted verbally to Burfict. Then Porter was struck again, in the back by the Bengals defensive tackle. At this point, you'll note Porter's hands are to his sides. He neither touches any player nor makes any purposeful physical contact whatsoever. The contact with the defensive player pushes Porter into a group of Bengals. Porter didn't seek them out, he was pushed into them. At that point he cannot disentangle himself WITHOUT initiating contact with one of them unless they move and make a way for him to leave. They do not do so. There is no audio, but it appears that Porter does not engage in a yelling match. He does not even appear to speak. He does "smirk". Undoubtedly this act of condescension causes frustration on the part of the Bengals, but he has done nothing physically or apparently verbally to escalate the encounter.

It would seem the smirk was enough, however to send Jones into a rage as HE initiates contact with a referee, pushing his way past in order to engage with Porter. That is what drew the penalty flag. At no point did Porter initiate anything whatsoever. And THAT is what is so enraging to the Bengals. They did it entirely to themselves.

And with that, I'm completely done with them. Logic is lost on beasts. They're un-trainable. Like dogs that cannot be housebroken.
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I felt at the time that Shazier was being tasteless in his celebration after the hit on their running back. I believed it was going to incite the Bengals. Clearly it did. Shazier would have been better served as would the team had he simply gone to the sideline and gone about his business. Neither Greg Lloyd nor James Harrison would ever have put on such a display. That said, I can understand a young man celebrating a career day and a fumble recovery returned for a TD. I can also understand getting ahead on a hated rival, particularly one with a record of cheap-shots. But the truth is, we like to believe we hold ourselves to a higher standard and the celebration while a player is hurt is most assuredly NOT that standard. I cannot be truly supportive of that. I am quite proud of all the rest of Shazier's accomplishments in the game. He was absolutely our MVP.
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Just think, if Shaziers fumble recovery resulted in a Defensive TD the flow of the game could have changed. Instead the officiating chose to incorrectly blow the play dead because of their inept interpretation of the rules. Shazier scored a TD by rule, the replay validated that. The 6 points were earned, the whistle should never had been blown. Who knows, Antonio Brown may not have had to get blasted with a cheap shot, Ben may not have gotten sacked deep on the Steelers side of the 50 and the mindless acts of the BenGal players may never have taken place. WTF?
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
There is no video that exists anywhere that shows what thoughts were going through Tomlin's mind. That technology doesn't exist.

Look, I'm no "wild" Mike Tomlin defender. I'm just trying to make sure statements are accurate. The facts are that Tomlin stepped onto he field, in Jacoby's way. He claims it was an accident, the Ravens said otherwise, and the NFL fined Mike. Not one soul on this planet can say it was deliberate besides Mike. If he has admitted, somewhere, that he did so intentionally, then you are correct.

Otherwise, you'll have to point me to the new video cameras that not only capture a person on film but simultaneously records their thoughts.
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"I always watch the returns on the Jumbotron; it provides a better perspective for me," Tomlin explained to reporters after the game, via NFL.com. "Obviously, I lost my placement as he broke free, and saw at the last second how close I was to the field of play."

Tomlin's account of the play was somewhat undermined by another angle shown during the NBC broadcast that showed him appearing to take a step toward Jones before hopping out of the way.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/mike-tomlin-video-steelers-coach-ravens_n_4374194.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...by-jones-mike-tomlin-videos-show-new-elements

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/mike-tomlin-jacoby-jones-kickoff
 
Coach said:
"I always watch the returns on the Jumbotron; it provides a better perspective for me," Tomlin explained to reporters after the game, via NFL.com. "Obviously, I lost my placement as he broke free, and saw at the last second how close I was to the field of play."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/02/mike-tomlin-video-steelers-coach-ravens_n_4374194.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...by-jones-mike-tomlin-videos-show-new-elements

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/mike-tomlin-jacoby-jones-kickoff
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Do any of those indicate he deliberately tried to get in Jacoby's way?

"Obviously I lost my placement" sounds like an excuse to me for making a mistake - I didn't realize where I was (lost my placement) and saw at the last second I shouldn't be there.

They sound like he was making excuses for being in the wrong place, aka, my bad.

Ryan Clark, at the time, agreed (from your article): Pittsburgh Steelers safety Ryan Clark told reporters after the team's first practice of the week that his coach had "no intent at all" when he seemed to interfere with a Baltimore Ravens kickoff return during a Thursday night game between the bitter rivals.
 
As an older guy, it would be very hard for me to speak objectively about the Raiders. I ******' hate them today as much as I did then. If I ever go to Cali, I might find where they buried Al Davis and go piss on his grave.

I think we have to realize that there are people out there that feel the same way about the Steelers due to their success in the 70s, which has been exacerbated by their success more recently. I think some of this is really no more complex than that.
 
Coach said:
I like Whitlock's stuff. He's a rare football journalist because he actually played college football, and tells it like it is.

The opposite of a brown nose. Tomlin should be judged on his actions, not race.
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You're probably the only one who does...

There a HUNDREDS of ex-ball players in the media---only a few, like your hero, have the gall to publicize such drivel.

Perhaps there's a reason why Fatlock didn't make it in the NFL...and we all know the reason that Coach Tomlin made it - successfully I might add...
 
diver said:
As an older guy, it would be very hard for me to speak objectively about the Raiders. I ******' hate them today as much as I did then. If I ever go to Cali, I might find where they buried Al Davis and go piss on his grave.

I think we have to realize that there are people out there that feel the same way about the Steelers due to their success in the 70s, which has been exacerbated by their success more recently. I think some of this is really no more complex than that.
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Diver, what are you talking about??? Amnesia???
 
dude tomlin is OUR guy to pick on. all you other ******* leave him alone
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Do any of those indicate he deliberately tried to get in Jacoby's way?
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I tend to think he wanted to impede or intimidate Jones. Only Tomlin knows. The play itself was a game changer, and Jones probably would have scored if he did not alter his path.

I do not think Tomlin wanted to make contact with Jones. It's a fine line here. The " I always watch returns on the Jumbotron " was a poor reply. If he was watching it, he would have seen and heard where the play was going. Another thought was he was just oblivious to his surroundings.






If it was brain freeze moment, I've never seen another coach have one like this.
 
Whitlock is a dimwitted journalist who use shock and street slang to appeal to a gutter crowd. Another fine example of someone who DOES NOT deserve a thread on our board.
 
He wants the race card how about two Blacks cost you the game and you have yet to realize YOU HAD THE GAME ONE till Burfict and packman showed themselves.
 
bermudasteel said:
Diver, what are you talking about??? Amnesia???
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Heh. What I am saying is that guys like Whitlock may have hated the Steelers when they were younger like I did the Raiders and just cannot get beyond it. They won't admit it, but it's there. Hence some of he criticisms.
 
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