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Blame coaching if you want....

Skott said:
Ben is big but he's not very smart. His decision making lately has been awful
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Ben was terrible today. He made a bone head that almost cost them last week. I think the term lately is a stretch. I think Mike Tomlin has been a ****** loser idiot mostly. Not lately.
 
Super Dave said:
If Ben was not our QB is Tomlin still our coach?
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All the Tomlin supporters like to blame ben when he has a bad game. They also love to throw Tomlin's NFL SB victory in only his 2nd season in everyones faces. But I never hear any of them mention how Ben led what was probably the most clutch drive in SB history to save this HC and hof DC from one of the most embarrassing defeats (prevent defense) in SB history. I think all Big Ben supporters willingly admit when he has a subpar game like today. Never, ever heard a Tomlin supporter admit he made a mistake or even has shortcomings.
 
steelcan58 said:
All the Tomlin supporters like to blame ben when he has a bad game. They also love to throw Tomlin's NFL SB victory in only his 2nd season in everyones faces. But I never hear any of them mention how Ben led what was probably the most clutch drive in SB history to save this HC and hof DC from one of the most embarrassing defeats (prevent defense) in SB history. I think all Big Ben supporters willingly admit when he has a subpar game like today. Never, ever heard a Tomlin supporter admit he made a mistake or even has shortcomings.
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Not only that, but we also need to remember that the team that won the SB with Tomlin as the head coach was a veteran-laden team with a roster full of starters who had been there, done that. I compare winning a Super Bowl with that team to Barry Switzer beating us in Super Bowl XXX with the Cowboys. With the amount of talent in both those instances, I dare say it didn't take a genius coach, or even a good coach, to pull off the win. History proved that with Switzer and is now repeating itself with the Steelers.

We have to ask ourselves: outside of the receiver position, why have we seen almost no development in our young players? Tomlin was supposed to be a wizard with secondaries, and yet ours has to be one of the worst I've seen! You can try to blame the front office, but I find it impossible to believe that the same front office that hit year after year after year when Cowher was here has suddenly fallen on its face. It's one thing to bring guys in... it's up to the COACHES to get them up to speed and hold them accountable when they fail. Remember Cowher tearing into Casey Hampton when he reported to training camp out of shape and unable to complete the running tests? This was an accomplished pro-bowl starter, and Cowher sat him and lit him up for reporting out of shape. When was the last time you can remember the CURRENT regime holding anyone accountable for anything? It's freaking Club Med in the locker room and this team is showing the lack of training and discipline.

Time for a fresh start with a coaching staff who will not try to be the player's buddy, but will instead actually hold players accountable AND who can come up with a decent game plan for a change. I hate to say it, but if Dick LeBeau had still been here, Mallet would not have had time to sit there in the pocket like he did...
 
We were coached up and our play was a reflection.
 
JamfoFL said:
You can try to pin this on Ben if you want, and he did play a piss-poor game. But if we had a staff that could have put together a game plan to actually put some pressure on Mallet, he doesn't outplay Ben, no matter how bad Ben's day was. I mean, really? Mallet is on the Ravens for two goddamned weeks and comes out and is making throws all over the place? Sometimes standing in the pocket for what seemed like an eternity, while the secondary was out to lunch, letting receivers run underneath all day. That is horrible, horrible coaching, no ifs, ands, or butts about it!

The thing is... well COACHED teams can overcome those days where a star player has a bad day! The f'ing Patriots can have a damned MASH unit out there and still win. The Ravens can run out a bunch of people no one has ever heard of and make those guys look like world beaters against our starters. Why? Solid coaching staffs that know how to get the most out of the bodies on the field... something we do not do.

For example... if I'm a coach and I know that Ben is having an off day, while my RB is cutting up the Ravens for good yardage, why the HELL am I running a pass from the one yard line to begin with. Funny how, AFTER the pick that was negated by penalty, they finally figured that out and ran the damned ball.

Go ahead and make excuse and blame the one guy who is holding this sad-sack group of losers together all season and lets keep this incompetent coaching staff. Maybe we can cut our "100 million" quarterback, too, so we can finally sink to Browns-like levels. I guess if that's what it's going to take to make people realize how badly coached this team is...
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Don't have like 15 ex-HC's on our staff?
 
JamfoFL said:
Not only that, but we also need to remember that the team that won the SB with Tomlin as the head coach was a veteran-laden team with a roster full of starters who had been there, done that. I compare winning a Super Bowl with that team to Barry Switzer beating us in Super Bowl XXX with the Cowboys. With the amount of talent in both those instances, I dare say it didn't take a genius coach, or even a good coach, to pull off the win. History proved that with Switzer and is now repeating itself with the Steelers.

We have to ask ourselves: outside of the receiver position, why have we seen almost no development in our young players? Tomlin was supposed to be a wizard with secondaries, and yet ours has to be one of the worst I've seen! You can try to blame the front office, but I find it impossible to believe that the same front office that hit year after year after year when Cowher was here has suddenly fallen on its face. It's one thing to bring guys in... it's up to the COACHES to get them up to speed and hold them accountable when they fail. Remember Cowher tearing into Casey Hampton when he reported to training camp out of shape and unable to complete the running tests? This was an accomplished pro-bowl starter, and Cowher sat him and lit him up for reporting out of shape. When was the last time you can remember the CURRENT regime holding anyone accountable for anything? It's freaking Club Med in the locker room and this team is showing the lack of training and discipline.

Time for a fresh start with a coaching staff who will not try to be the player's buddy, but will instead actually hold players accountable AND who can come up with a decent game plan for a change. I hate to say it, but if Dick LeBeau had still been here, Mallet would not have had time to sit there in the pocket like he did...
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LOL.....Right. Based off of what? 10 years ago? Certainly not the last few.
 
steelcan58 said:
All the Tomlin supporters like to blame ben when he has a bad game. They also love to throw Tomlin's NFL SB victory in only his 2nd season in everyones faces. But I never hear any of them mention how Ben led what was probably the most clutch drive in SB history to save this HC and hof DC from one of the most embarrassing defeats (prevent defense) in SB history. I think all Big Ben supporters willingly admit when he has a subpar game like today. Never, ever heard a Tomlin supporter admit he made a mistake or even has shortcomings.
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exactly that second half turtle job was a complete joke and everyone forgets its
 
Ben sucked today, but how does that absolve the coaching staff from not having the team prepared against a division rival in a must-win game?
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Ben sucked today, but how does that absolve the coaching staff from not having the team prepared against a division rival in a must-win game?
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So every time a player drops a pass or gets tackled or misses a tackle it is because the "Coach" didn't have him/them prepared?
 
stillwright said:
So every time a player drops a pass or gets tackled or misses a tackle it is because the "Coach" didn't have him/them prepared?
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So you thought that was the best offensive/defensive game plan to win the game?
 
I don't care. I will sit here till 2 in the morning. From an x an o standpoint the Steelers were not prepared for what the Ravens did today. They got caught between being too patient (all runs and one pass) on the first drive and to impatient going for it. LIke ****** see what their QB has before getting reckless. They were not prepared in any way for this football game and how someone could say they were is beyond me.
 
stillwright said:
So every time a player drops a pass or gets tackled or misses a tackle it is because the "Coach" didn't have him/them prepared?
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It can start with simple things like taking points when you should and don't start the same player on defense that you had to pull to save last weeks game. When players see the coaching staff is doing the right things, they tend to do the right things and play better too.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
So you thought that was the best offensive/defensive game plan to win the game?
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I hate our D game plan week in and week out. If you want to blame Tomlin for this I will agree with you, but as far as Offense.......he put the ball into his skill players hands to make plays. This week they obviously didn't
 
Ben really stank today. Inconsistent throws, not seeing a wide-open Brown on one play...then forcing it to him with tight coverage the next. Just inexplicable. Plus you can't throw away two second-half timeouts like that when you're trailing in the game.

That being said, Tomlin's choice to not put three on the board in the first quarter also really hurt the team.

Also, it seems like about once or so per year, the Steelers come out and just run, run, run it. Like they're trying to prove a point, or something. And it never works. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to get your red-hot passing offense in a rhythm right from the start.
 
Super Dave said:
If Ben was not our QB is Tomlin still our coach?
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If Brady is not Hoodies QB is he still employed ? RODGERS-McCarthy ? We can plug names all day.....here's a lil clue, secret: in modern era pass happy league, your coaching success is DIRECTLY TIED to your QB
 
xjx said:
Ben had a terrible game. The defense can't tackle. Tomlin always loses to Harbaugh. Tomlin sucks.
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He's 10-9 vs Tomlin....that's nowhere near always.....thats more near him losing half and winning half
 
bad decision making

instead of going for a marque pass rusher ? moats /harrison

instead of bringing in a SS allen/thomas/golden -not a proven starter among the three

CB let one go bring in a slot corner and don't play him the majority of the year / still needed a outside corner

not one good defensive decision
 
Deangelo was working it until he wasn't.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
If Brady is not Hoodies QB is he still employed ? RODGERS-McCarthy ? We can plug names all day.....here's a lil clue, secret: in modern era pass happy league, your coaching success is DIRECTLY TIED to your QB
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Good point. But as much as I hate to admit it, Hoodie would likely survive.
 
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