OSU vs. MSU

[SteelBuckeye]

Like I thought a two bit response from a two bit poster. Go back and read the OSU thread at the start of the year. All you guys were jerking each other off about how great they were. Not so much any more right?

But hey, keep clinging to the "Didn't show up" theme. Suits a team that plays a **** schedule and has ******* fans.

Oh, I'm a two bit poster? That "hurts" coming from you. Ole' Miss lost to two unranked teams ... TWO. They lost to Memphis and to an Arkansas team that lost to Toledo ... a MAC team. Yet, they remain ranked ... with two losses to unranked teams ... and you wanna talk about overrated.

I said earlier in the year that tOSU would catch a loss if they kept playing like they were. It happened. I'm not gonna go out and cry about it. Sorry if that offends you. I'm also not the type to sit around and **** on other's teams when my team has lost to TWO unranked teams and is barely sitting in the top 25 (undeserved ranking).

But hey, if you can keep people from talking about your ****** team by trying to crap on theirs for one loss in the last 24 games ... it's worth a shot eh? Yet, we're the ******* fans ... SMH ... whatever my man ... The sun will arise tomorrow and so will I ... with a smile on my face and a big **** YOU to all the Buckeye Haters.

 

[Vader]

Oh, I'm a two bit poster? That "hurts" coming from you. Ole' Miss lost to two unranked teams ... TWO. They lost to Memphis and to an Arkansas team that lost to Toledo ... a MAC team. Yet, they remain ranked ... with two losses to unranked teams ... and you wanna talk about overrated.

I said earlier in the year that tOSU would catch a loss if they kept playing like they were. It happened. I'm not gonna go out and cry about it. Sorry if that offends you. I'm also not the type to sit around and **** on other's teams when my team has lost to TWO unranked teams and is barely sitting in the top 25 (undeserved ranking).

But hey, if you can keep people from talking about your ****** team by trying to crap on theirs for one loss in the last 24 games ... it's worth a shot eh? Yet, we're the ******* fans ... SMH ... whatever my man ... The sun will arise tomorrow and so will I ... with a smile on my face and a big **** YOU to all the Buckeye Haters.

I never said Ole Miss was ever worth a damn. So I have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Just more mindless OSU dribble. Ole Miss plays in a tough conference with a state that has around 2 million people trying to recruit against the powerhouses next door. I don't expect them to compete with the top teams in the league. It's a ******* college football team not the NFL dumbass.

I'm not offended by anything on here. Ole Miss was never expected to win a title so what does it matter to me? OSU has been lucky all year and finally got theirs tonight. You can lie about the smile.... we both know better.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I never said Ole Miss was ever worth a damn. So I have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Just more mindless OSU dribble. Ole Miss plays in a tough conference with a state that has around 2 million people trying to recruit against the powerhouses next door. I don't expect them to compete with the top teams in the league. It's a ******* college football team not the NFL dumbass.

I'm not offended by anything on here. Ole Miss was never expected to win a title so what does it matter to me? OSU has been lucky all year and finally got theirs tonight. You can lie about the smile.... we both know better.

Not lying .. smiling now at the fact that I got you to admit Ole Miss isn't worth a damn .. And I'll smile in the morning because no matter what happens ... tOSU was the FIRST Nat. Champ. under the playoff format ... And then there's this ... it's only a game. I'm only a fan. My life won't end because of a loss and the world won't stop turning. See, the loss was disappointing ... but, in the grand scheme of my life ... it's such a very little thing. That's called "PERSPECTIVE" Vader. Some folks could probably use a little of it.

Good night and God Bless.

 

[RollRed]

But hey, if you can keep people from talking about your ****** team by trying to crap on theirs for one loss in the last 24 games ... it's worth a shot eh ...

Not so sure the 23 game win streak would be the nail I'd be hanging my hat on in this conversation... The 3 games they won at the end, the conference championship followed by the 2 playoff wins.. now those were impressive. The schedule they played to get to those games... eh' not so much. Kent St., Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Penn St. and Michigan teams that were shells of their former selves... not exactly a gauntlet of powerhouses there now was it. My point is that I think most if not all of the top tier college football teams would have handled that schedule in similar fashion. There were 2 teams that, on paper,had a snowball's chance in hell of beating them last year and one of them...Virginia Tech... did just that. The other being the team that took them out today. I actually think that their soft schedule contributed to today's loss. When you play teams every week that are far less talented, you can not play up to your potential and still win. I think they got used to that. Steel sharpens steel as they say, and today, unfortunately for them, it caught up with them.

 

[Sarge]

Well, the top 4 will be interesting. I have.....

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4a. Iowa
4b. Oklahoma

 

[slashsteel]

Not so sure the 23 game win streak would be the nail I'd be hanging my hat on in this conversation... The 3 games they won at the end, the conference championship followed by the 2 playoff wins.. now those were impressive. The schedule they played to get to those games... eh' not so much. Kent St., Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Penn St. and Michigan teams that were shells of their former selves... not exactly a gauntlet of powerhouses there now was it. My point is that I think most if not all of the top tier college football teams would have handled that schedule in similar fashion. There were 2 teams that, on paper,had a snowball's chance in hell of beating them last year and one of them...Virginia Tech... did just that. The other being the team that took them out today. I actually think that their soft schedule contributed to today's loss. When you play teams every week that are far less talented, you can not play up to your potential and still win. I think they got used to that. Steel sharpens steel as they say, and today, unfortunately for them, it caught up with them.

I have to say I somewhat agree.

I know the Steelers tend to play their best ball against a tough schedule.

And when you play a lot of weak teams when it comes time to play a noteworthy, you have to wonder if your team will be prepared as in battle tested.

I don't really have a college team anymore. I think OSU will be defined how they play moving forward.

I am not sure one loss you can swing to a definite.


If they lose another you can say they were overrated THIS year.

If they don't I think you can just say it was a hiccup in the schedule that got them back on track.

Looks like a wait and see to me..............

 

[MTC]

I thin their biggest problem is that they have two guys trying to be "Co Offensive Coordinators" ... Too many hands in the pot so to speak. They haven't had an identity on offense all year long. Nothing cohesive.

Just like my UGA dawgs it seemed OSU didnt stick with one true QB during the season. Cardale Jones took a back seat there for awhile this season right? Could be wrong however so sorry if I'm thinking wrong

 

[Vader]

Well, the top 4 will be interesting. I have.....

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4a. Iowa
4b. Oklahoma

We will find out about Iowa soon enough. This would be a great year for an 8 team playoff. You're going to have several 1 loss teams.

 

[Vader]

Not lying .. smiling now at the fact that I got you to admit Ole Miss isn't worth a damn .. And I'll smile in the morning because no matter what happens ... tOSU was the FIRST Nat. Champ. under the playoff format ... And then there's this ... it's only a game. I'm only a fan. My life won't end because of a loss and the world won't stop turning. See, the loss was disappointing ... but, in the grand scheme of my life ... it's such a very little thing. That's called "PERSPECTIVE" Vader. Some folks could probably use a little of it.

Good night and God Bless.

It's "COLLEGE" football. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. I'm proud of Ole Miss because they've competed against the best (Bama) and won. This is college football where you have a huge disparity between teams. OSU won the first NC under the current system... big ****. They'll change it in a year or two and you'll have another "first time" winner of that format. Tell me the first winner (without google) of the early 2000s format?

As far as how it effects my life... it doesn't. When I'm working, playing, etc... I don't even think about it. But how does pointing that out change anything on here? It doesn't.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

It's "COLLEGE" football. Not sure why that's so hard for you to understand. I'm proud of Ole Miss because they've competed against the best (Bama) and won. This is college football where you have a huge disparity between teams. OSU won the first NC under the current system... big ****. They'll change it in a year or two and you'll have another "first time" winner of that format. Tell me the first winner (without google) of the early 2000s format?

As far as how it effects my life... it doesn't. When I'm working, playing, etc... I don't even think about it. But how does pointing that out change anything on here? It doesn't.

I believe you reiterated what I said about perspective. So, yes, I agree.

Going to go get my bottle of 'Shine ready to watch some football today. That's one thing I'll give SEC Country (specifically Alabama) ... They make some GREAT 'shine!

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Just like my UGA dawgs it seemed OSU didnt stick with one true QB during the season. Cardale Jones took a back seat there for awhile this season right? Could be wrong however so sorry if I'm thinking wrong

You're not wrong. They never settled on a QB. In fairness to the coaches, neither Barrett nor Jones showed them much to say "I'm your guy". They also never settled on an offensive philosophy. Probably because of the mess at QB and the fact that the OL was nowhere near as good as it was last year. But, I also wholeheartedly believe they need to scrap the two OC system. I don't think it's a coincidence that the QBs never progressed and the OL regressed when both of those position coaches were sharing OC duties. Of course they may have just felt the loss of Tom Herman as OC (probable considering what he did at Houston this year).

Urban has a few things to figure out this off season. I'm hoping he pushes the right buttons.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Who did Bama beat that was so great this year that we have to ignore a loss to Ole Miss and pencil them into the playoff? Are we still pretending LSU is good?

People are so quick to dismiss teams from other conferences with 1 loss but SEC always gets a mulligan. The assumption being that they have just played so many really tough games that they.

As of today's Coaches Ranking (AP not out yet) Alabama has beaten ZERO ranked teams and their loss is to #19 Ole Miss with 3 losses.

OSU has also beaten 0 ranked teams but thier only loss is against #6 Mich State and OSU plays Michigan next week, If they beat MIchigan then guess what, OSU will have beaten a better team than Bama has.

Oh but wait. Bama will play mighty Florida in the SEC Champ game. The same Florida beat Vanderbilt 9-7 and had to go to OT this week to beat Florida Atlantic. Florida did beat the only ranked team they played this year, Ole Miss. So maybe they should be ranked ahead of Bama.

Maybe in some past seasons, the SEC schedule has been really tough, but not this year. SEC only has 4 ranked teams.

Big Ten has 4 ranked teams and 3 teams in the top 8.

I have no problem if voters simply think Alabama is better than another team. What i'm sick of hearing is how they get some kind of free pass because they played a "tough" SEC schedule because this year, that's just hot air.

Now let me get back to enjoying this Ohio State loss.

 

[Troglodyte]

Ole Miss plays in a tough conference with a state that has around 2 million people trying to recruit against the powerhouses next door. I don't expect them to compete with the top teams in the league.

What does the population of the state have to do with recruiting? And it's not like Alabama is a big state.

 

[Vader]

Seriously tape your SEC hate continues to bleed through. Who the hell has Michigan beat? It took them 2 OTs to beat Indiana. Yes, they probably should have won the Mich. ST. game but they didn't. Just like Ole Miss had Arkansas beat if not for a fluke behind the back over the shoulder 4th down and 25 play. At least Ole Miss beat Bama. Who has Michigan beat? For that matter who the hell has Iowa beat? They don't play Michigan, Michigan ST. or OSU. So you can blast Bama all you want but at least they've played ranked teams at the time they played them. I'll put LSU, Ole Miss, MS State against anybody that OSU, Michigan or Michigan St. has played.

BTW of course the big ten has 4 teams ranked. They played nobody. They don't even play themselves until the end of the year. Iowa doesn't play ONE top team ALL YEAR. Even in their own conference. They'll have to go to the title game to play one.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

But will you put Arkansas against my undergrad Alma Mater? The University of Toledo ....

 

[Troglodyte]

If Iowa remains undefeated and gets ******, I think it's fair to conclude that a 4 team playoff has already failed.

 

[Vader]

What does the population of the state have to do with recruiting? And it's not like Alabama is a big state.

Not sure how this isn't evident.... Most schools recruit better in their states. Yes, you try to get the best talent you can from anywhere. But when you have a smaller pool to pick from it's harder. Lots of kids want to stay in their state. It's a huge draw if the school is good.

Alabama is over twice the size of MS with almost 5 million people. It has more people to draw from. It's called a talent pool. And when the pool is smaller then you have fewer choices.

 

[Vader]

But will you put Arkansas against my undergrad Alma Mater? The University of Toledo ....

Right now yes. A month ago no.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Strength of schedule by the numbers. They change as the season goes.

1 Alabama (10-1) 10.0 1 20 1
2 Oklahoma (10-1) 9.8 2 73 3
3 Arkansas (6-5) 9.6 1 75 2
4 LSU (7-3) 9.3 2 30 6
5 USC (7-4) 8.5 3 74 8
6 California (6-5) 8.4 6 89 14
7 Tennessee (7-4) 8.3 1 64 4
8 W Virginia (6-4) 8.2 2 102 5
9 Mississippi (8-3) 8.0 2 71 7
10 Baylor (9-1) 7.8 3 100 26
11 TX Christian (9-2) 7.7 3 47 32
12 Oregon (8-3) 7.6 3 86 17
13 Utah (8-3) 7.3 11 50 12
14 Notre Dame (10-1) 7.1 4 45 9
15 Washington (5-6) 6.9 5 51 10


Link for more teams.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

 

[Troglodyte]

Not sure how this isn't evident.... Most schools recruit better in their states. Yes, you try to get the best talent you can from anywhere. But when you have a smaller pool to pick from it's harder. Lots of kids want to stay in their state. It's a huge draw if the school is good.

Alabama is over twice the size of MS with almost 5 million people. It has more people to draw from. It's called a talent pool. And when the pool is smaller then you have fewer choices.

I'll argue it's largely irrelevant. Alabama's success isn't tied to its in state recruiting.

 

[Skott]

Says a lot about the players if they are willing to sell out their team and teammates like they did after a loss. I wouldn't even play those 2 guys the last games with that kind of attitude.

OSU don't have as strong of a team as they did last year, but they kept finding a way to win. But you could tell things were starting to fall apart, and last night it happened.

College football is crazy and ANY team can lose at any point.

 

[bmoritz]

Big OSU fan here, gotta give it to Michigan State. They played great considering their QB was out, the deserved to win. OSU acted like they just didn't care. At this point, screw Elliott. I love what he's done for us, but after one loss you act like a little *****? Bye!

 

[MTC]

You're not wrong. They never settled on a QB. In fairness to the coaches, neither Barrett nor Jones showed them much to say "I'm your guy". They also never settled on an offensive philosophy. Probably because of the mess at QB and the fact that the OL was nowhere near as good as it was last year. But, I also wholeheartedly believe they need to scrap the two OC system. I don't think it's a coincidence that the QBs never progressed and the OL regressed when both of those position coaches were sharing OC duties. Of course they may have just felt the loss of Tom Herman as OC (probable considering what he did at Houston this year).

Urban has a few things to figure out this off season. I'm hoping he pushes the right buttons.

UGA was pretty much in the same position. I do think OSU has better talent skill position wise. Richt never got a QB early in the season. Usually rotating between Lambert/Ramsey. The injury to Chubb didn't help out. Just not our teams year

 

[MTC]

Not sure how this isn't evident.... Most schools recruit better in their states. Yes, you try to get the best talent you can from anywhere. But when you have a smaller pool to pick from it's harder. Lots of kids want to stay in their state. It's a huge draw if the school is good.

Alabama is over twice the size of MS with almost 5 million people. It has more people to draw from. It's called a talent pool. And when the pool is smaller then you have fewer choices.

Alabama is the school to beat in the south as far as recruiting. Every football player in the region wants to play for Bama. Not gonna say the rest of the SEC doesnt get top notch recruits but Alabama does get the best of best and its noticeable cause they always contend. I agree with you on that

 

[FAB802]

Alabama played what, a D10 school yesterday? They very well may be the best team in the country, but anyone who doesn't mark them down some for that **** with a perennial top five program is a lemming. Teams lose games they aren't supposed to. MSU lost to Nebraska because they didn't put them away and didn't get it done. Folks here are unglued about the bogus call at the end, but it shouldn't come to that against a three win team even on the road. They had arguably the best OL in the country with all of them returning, but they have played two games as a unit all year and it's showed in some close games that shouldn't have been. They escaped a couple times, and then it finally bit them in the ***.

Yesterday they were the better, tougher team. OSU knew they were going to run and it mattered a damn. As for Elliott? He didn't do **** when they gave him the ball around 3 ypc, whiny ***. If you want the ball superstar, make a play when you do get it. There is no flat out dominant team out there this year. Clemson looks to be the closest to it but you won't know until the title game. A 1 loss team will be left out that shouldn't be because of the same political dumb ****. Four teams just isn't enough some years, but if you take care of business it usually doesn't involve you.