It's funny, we're winning and Franco and his friends are no where to be found. Guess they don't have anything else to talk about... Winning keeps the trash out lol.
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Hes got little to complain about
What ??? Never heard of such talk and can't find any kind of reference to such a thing neither.
Will a dinosaur do ?
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I will give credit where it is due, so lets go game by game. In the Pats game the offense was terrible. We could not exploit a supposedly poor Pats defense. We only really scored 14 points + a garbage prevent TD. The defense was iffy but did not give up a ton of points. Not going to blame anyone for this game it was just a tough matchup for us.
2nd game we demolished a poor 49ers team. A good team win. Can give all the coaches credit here.
3rd game against the Rams was a win but an ugly ugly game. Ben and the O only put up 6 points and the Oline was getting abused. Ben got hurt, Vick came in and did not do much better. Did not see much adjustment to keep the Dline honest. Defense came to play but the O and coaching did not.
4th game a loss against the Ravens. Vick played OK, the D played well, but Scoobee and Tomlin managed to mess this one up. Poor game management / poor descisions / terrible kicking.
Scoobe was cut! It was a good move, but dont think Tomlin had much choice.
5th game a miracle win against the chargers. Vick was horrible this game almost throwing a few picks and was terrible till the last few minutes. Supposedly Ben or another player took over a few play calls to save the game. Personally I would have benched Vick earlier in the game...Tomlin / Haley certainly did nothing special this game and the D continued to play well.
6th game a win against a good cardinals team. At one point late in the first half we had negative passing yards and once again INTs were dropped. No way Vick should have been left in that game that long. I do not know how anyone can say it was a stretch that we would have lost with vick in there. He was clueless, had ints dropped, and no accuracy. Cards could just stack the box and not even worry about the passes. Vick gets hurt and Landry saved the day. I feel tomlin would still stick with Vick if he was healthy. That is not good coaching.
Out of 5 games I will throw away the NE game, we had one game that was well coached. I will give credit to the D they are playing well above what was expected. The offense has played below the line in games 1,3,4,5,6 with Ben and Vick and only playing well in game 2 w/ Ben and game 6 with Landry. Basically we have had 6 quarters of good offensive football.
I am sorry I just do not see the coaching genius Tomlin. Maybe he is mentally holding the team together or some voodoo stuff, but other than that I am not impressed.
For specifics what would have impressed me is in game adjustments against the Rams.
Trying to play more to Vicks strengths (roll outs, bootlegs, designed QB runs)
Benching Vick way sooner
Not Fing up the Ravens game. I know scoobee was terrible, but you have to let him try to kick the game winner and dont run a play forcing vick to make an accurate throw. If you wanted to get cute fake it to bell and give vick a run / easy throw option. Chances are one or the other would have been open.
2nd game we demolished a poor 49ers team. A good team win. Can give all the coaches credit here.
3rd game against the Rams was a win but an ugly ugly game. Ben and the O only put up 6 points and the Oline was getting abused. Ben got hurt, Vick came in and did not do much better. Did not see much adjustment to keep the Dline honest. Defense came to play but the O and coaching did not.
4th game a loss against the Ravens. Vick played OK, the D played well, but Scoobee and Tomlin managed to mess this one up. Poor game management / poor descisions / terrible kicking.
Scoobe was cut! It was a good move, but dont think Tomlin had much choice.
5th game a miracle win against the chargers. Vick was horrible this game almost throwing a few picks and was terrible till the last few minutes. Supposedly Ben or another player took over a few play calls to save the game. Personally I would have benched Vick earlier in the game...Tomlin / Haley certainly did nothing special this game and the D continued to play well.
6th game a win against a good cardinals team. At one point late in the first half we had negative passing yards and once again INTs were dropped. No way Vick should have been left in that game that long. I do not know how anyone can say it was a stretch that we would have lost with vick in there. He was clueless, had ints dropped, and no accuracy. Cards could just stack the box and not even worry about the passes. Vick gets hurt and Landry saved the day. I feel tomlin would still stick with Vick if he was healthy. That is not good coaching.
Out of 5 games I will throw away the NE game, we had one game that was well coached. I will give credit to the D they are playing well above what was expected. The offense has played below the line in games 1,3,4,5,6 with Ben and Vick and only playing well in game 2 w/ Ben and game 6 with Landry. Basically we have had 6 quarters of good offensive football.
I am sorry I just do not see the coaching genius Tomlin. Maybe he is mentally holding the team together or some voodoo stuff, but other than that I am not impressed.
For specifics what would have impressed me is in game adjustments against the Rams.
Trying to play more to Vicks strengths (roll outs, bootlegs, designed QB runs)
Benching Vick way sooner
Not Fing up the Ravens game. I know scoobee was terrible, but you have to let him try to kick the game winner and dont run a play forcing vick to make an accurate throw. If you wanted to get cute fake it to bell and give vick a run / easy throw option. Chances are one or the other would have been open.
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You don't think this might be related to coaching?
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Never stops him, usually.
Tomlin is ok... he is no HOF level guy and he isn't some grand innovator. He also has some serious flaws, but there are far worse guys out there...
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Again, no big fan of Tomlin here, but you have to recognize that the coaching staff saw where they'd made some errors the week before and at the end of the Chargers game they put the ball in Bell's hands. It was a gutsy call. It paid off. I'm sure the Chargers didn't "really" expect Bell to run it. I imagine deep down they were expecting a play fake. But, on the other hand, with Vick at the helm... Who knows. Regardless, Tomlin did NOT do what he'd done the week before. He made a bolder call.
So, I can recognize that he's in a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm not going to beat the **** out of him on specific calls. I would rather see his pre-game planning and halftime adjustments kick up a notch. But, hey - perhaps this is the year. Hope springs eternal.
He get's run off the field by angry fans for using a terrible towel to wipe...
This is what I don't get about people that hate Tomlin. If you hate him, how can you NOT give him credit for the SD game? We traveled to the west coast with our backup QB and got a win. We never win on the west coast with Ben and winning with Vick is nothing short of a miracle. It was his call to run and not pass with 5sec left. A run ends the game. He rolled the dice, manned up and we walk out of SD directly because of that decision. Going for the win was his call.
Then turn around and not give him credit on a hypothetical. Uuuhhhhhgggg he wouldn't have pulled Vick, and we would have lost.... Who knows what would have happened had Vick gotten the ball on the 35 with Bell gaining 24 yds. Perhaps he would have been the late game hero 2 games in a row. Who the **** knows?? What I DO know is our 3rd string QB came in and we won. We won with that 3rd string QB that our coach chose to keep when everyone else wanted some random player on the roster. That decision alone gave us one win vs a great Arizona team.
No credit for winning on the road vs the Rams when your franchise goes down. Ummm kay.
I can see it either way for the Ravens game, but I don't fault him for going for it when your kicker can't hit the broad side of a barn from 1yd away. Still he lost, and he'd be the first to take responsibility for that, so I can't disagree with hanging the loss on his shoulders.
Pats game is on him. We weren't prepared defensively, and we still don't know who's starting in the secondary from week to week.
Still to only give him credit for one game is myopic at best and severely biased.
Then turn around and not give him credit on a hypothetical. Uuuhhhhhgggg he wouldn't have pulled Vick, and we would have lost.... Who knows what would have happened had Vick gotten the ball on the 35 with Bell gaining 24 yds. Perhaps he would have been the late game hero 2 games in a row. Who the **** knows?? What I DO know is our 3rd string QB came in and we won. We won with that 3rd string QB that our coach chose to keep when everyone else wanted some random player on the roster. That decision alone gave us one win vs a great Arizona team.
No credit for winning on the road vs the Rams when your franchise goes down. Ummm kay.
I can see it either way for the Ravens game, but I don't fault him for going for it when your kicker can't hit the broad side of a barn from 1yd away. Still he lost, and he'd be the first to take responsibility for that, so I can't disagree with hanging the loss on his shoulders.
Pats game is on him. We weren't prepared defensively, and we still don't know who's starting in the secondary from week to week.
Still to only give him credit for one game is myopic at best and severely biased.
Agreed. I'm still somewhat of a Tomlin basher myself. But the way he has his team responding, and the vast improvement on the defensive side of the ball
I'm going to say clock management and the preparation of the team is all on his shoulders. The game itself still has to be executed by the players. So everyone should get a blame somewhat unless you're one of the players in sweatpants. Then you're just an over paid cheerleader. My biggest complaint with Tomlin has been the lack of development amongst the guys that are replacing the veteran players. It just seems the players now, and really the NFL as a whole are not as "talented" as years past. Kinda weird
I do give Tomlin credit for making the right choice at the end of the San Diego game. I didn't necessarily agree with the formation/playcall, but the bottom line is he got the ball into his best player's hands with the game on the line.
Thing about the Ravens game, the kicker was hitting the broad side of the barn. Scobee had just missed both of his attempts, pushing the ball left both times, yet with plenty of leg. I give a professional kicker in his 12th year a third and final attempt, a chance to redeem himself and restore his self-confidence. Or with my second choice, I simply give the ball to Bell.
Unfortunately, Tomlin's fine regular season winning percentage hasn't translated to a playoff win in the last five years. As a Steelers fan, I would expect more from a head coach who has had the benefit of a franchise quarterback in the prime of his career during that entire period.
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In the SD game we lost 18 seconds. Sure the officials made an error, but how many coaches do you think would have just stood there and watched the clock tick away? The call to run Bell was certainly gutsy. We were about 6" away from losing the game though. I did not really have a problem with that call. I do not mind playing to win and aggressive, but I did have a problem with not even trying to correct the time issue.
Vick may have been the hero again, but he had SIX passing yards. If he had been just mediocre the rest of the game we wouldn't have to worry about having a hero. I could probably count on one hand the amount of good plays Vick has the last few games on one hand.
Like I said I give the D credit, but is that Tomlin or Butler? Butler has backed up what he talked about after he was promoted. It seems Tomlin pretty much lets his coordinators do what they want, but who knows.
Vick may have been the hero again, but he had SIX passing yards. If he had been just mediocre the rest of the game we wouldn't have to worry about having a hero. I could probably count on one hand the amount of good plays Vick has the last few games on one hand.
Like I said I give the D credit, but is that Tomlin or Butler? Butler has backed up what he talked about after he was promoted. It seems Tomlin pretty much lets his coordinators do what they want, but who knows.
Personally I've never said he was great, I've said he is somewhat above average and 8-8 to 10-6 is his natural state. On the other hand, the bar for head coaches has been lowered the past few years. Rex Ryan keeps getting hired and you have people like Joe Philbin, Lovie Smith, Chuck Pagano, and whoever the Raiders can kidnap at a given moment and force to be their head coach. Expansion doesn't just dilute the talent pool of players, it dilutes the coaching talent as well.
Agree.
No way I trust Scobee to make a kick longer than the two he already missed.
I agree with preparation and clock management. He also has to make the personnel decisions to who gets a hat/call up, and game management decisions (what to do on 4th down, go for 2). People say he's risky, and it's a false analogy. He's actually playing the percentages. His style is moving away from the game management, play not to lose coaching we've been used to seeing across the league for decades.
I agree that the talent has dropped in the NFL. I don't know if it's due to expansion, or exceptional athletes may be choosing other sports, but when the league consistently only fields about 5 good teams per year, the rest of the league is mediocre. Announcers have been calling it parody, I've been pointing to a lack of talent.
I do see a transition on defense, and no it isn't the defense we enjoyed in the 90s or 00s, but they're starting to make a new name for themselves. Heyward and Tuitt are the most disruptive bookends I've seen on this team, and seem to be the strength over our LBs. I love our ILBs and we're 4 deep there. OLBs need improvement. Harrison can't play much longer, but Bud looks promising. We are lacking talent in the secondary, and it's our weakness now. Hopefully personnel changes on the roster will help with that, since I think we have players rostered that can help the secondary if they get on the field (Boykin, Allen, Allen, and yes Shamarko). They all have ability, I'd like to see them put it together on the field.
I do like what Tomlin is doing with injuries and getting our backups prepared. D Williams and DHB did very well subbing for Bell and Bryant. Vick and Jones have managed the games well in Ben's absence. Spence, Williams, and Harrison are all excellent subs. Wallace is holding the point, and I think we have a gem in Villanueva. So across the board, the next man up has been productive. I'd love to see this team healthy, and for once, the late bye is killing us health wise.
I can name two off the top of my head
Tomlin and Mike McCoy
McCoy had just as much of a vested interest in the seconds ticking away as Tomlin. If we had scored quickly, McCoy would have wanted those 18 seconds.