The year after hood we selected Heyward in the first round. Granted he took time to develop but he was here one year after Hood and was unable to beat him for the position. Jarvis does not look like a first round pick yet. He looks like he is being out played at least in the drills by this years sixth rounder. I often thought Brown would be better than Wallace as he was a more complete player early I feel the same way about Chick and Jarvis. Jarvis may not make the team this year and maybe traded or cut.
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The year after hood we selected Heyward in the first round. Granted he took time to develop but he was here one year after Hood and was unable to beat him for the position. Jarvis does not look like a first round pick yet. He looks like he is being out played at least in the drills by this years sixth rounder. I often thought Brown would be better than Wallace as he was a more complete player early I feel the same way about Chick and Jarvis. Jarvis may not make the team this year and maybe traded or cut.
In all seriousness I think it would be wise to limit some of the plays for our running back and try and get extra year or two of production. The impact adds up and if the other players can take a few snaps a game from him it could be helpful to his longevity. Plays do not all have to be archer there are likely some that he can be used for that will get Bell on to the bench for a bit. The player that can take a pounding like Jerome did has not been found yet so it would be nice to save as many hits on a star player as possible. If Archer can get in for a few plays and DeAngelo or Harris can get a few more that might not kill the offense at all especially if someone on the other team does not spot the difference in time.
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Why would someone trade for JJ if he can't make our team and WE need LBers? And the cut aspect won't happen either. Why do you think because players are preforming nicely in camp as a late round pick or UDFA that they will suddenly be knocking high draft picks and solid starters off the roster or out of a job? While JJ might not look great the front office will not cut ties with him this year....especially with him splitting time with Harrison.
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They will never cut Jones in his 3rd year after he missed his entire 2nd with injury. There is no cost savings and almost no team gives up on a 1st rounder in his first contract year. And for the most part I agree with that. Unless he is just out of shape and doesn't care about football (Jermaine Stephens) I don't see Jones getting cut this year or next.
Apparently before his injury Jarvis Jones was 2 for 3 against Beachum today..
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A recent example that makes me think this Kelvin Beachum. There are only a fixed number of players they can keep. JJ seems to be as far as he will go. There seems to be more players on the team than we have spots for right now. two linebackers were taken this year in the draft one a late rounder that look to be at least the equal of jj right now, except they have not done anything for a much shorter time than jj. If jj is not ready to go on the field he needs released. It is not his fault he was picked in the first round he has demonstrated he did not belong there anymore than M Sams who also had the same title as jj when he was coming out of college, what ever that award was for linebackers I can't remember right now.Jarvis still does not pass the eye test. His rookie contract might be something that a team would be interested in picking up and if a team is in need of a linebacker there is a possibility someone will want him. Tomlin worked out a deal for mayhen or what ever that turkeys name was so it could happen.
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Why are we making a big deal about how Jarvis does in one-on-one drills? Remember when Baron Batch schooled James Harrison once in backs on backers? One guy had the greatest play in Super Bowl history and the other is out of the league. Got to give Jones his chance on the field, especially after injuries took away last season. Takes most pass rushers three years to establish themselves, so hopefully this is the year it clicks for Jarvis. If not, they can move on after his deal is up.
Regarding Archer, there is no reason to ever put in him the backfield. They need to work him out of the slot where he can be used as a receiver or used on a reverse. I noticed that they motioned him wide when working inside the five on Friday night, which basically said they aren't going that direction. His lack of size makes him worthless on the outside where you need height and arm length to out reach the defenders.
Regarding Archer, there is no reason to ever put in him the backfield. They need to work him out of the slot where he can be used as a receiver or used on a reverse. I noticed that they motioned him wide when working inside the five on Friday night, which basically said they aren't going that direction. His lack of size makes him worthless on the outside where you need height and arm length to out reach the defenders.
Why give jones his 4th chance on the field when it could cost us a better younger player? He was put in the starting line up and they had to get Harrison off the couch to come back and play. Two linebackers were drafted this year that play outside. We have others from last year that are maybe just as good as Jarvis that were on ir or practice squad. Jarvis has done nothing and maybe hurt again. He maybe on the team as an IR and then released and likely done with the game he has not looked like a steelers linebacker yet.
Long story short I obtained a VIP at camp today.
And did the 50th anniversary edition free eat/movie/autograph/field pass.
When I get to the autograph portion I'm in line waiting about a hour. Not sure of who will be coming into sign.
Low and behold in walks Archer and Wing.
I immediate left and went to eat.
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And did the 50th anniversary edition free eat/movie/autograph/field pass.
When I get to the autograph portion I'm in line waiting about a hour. Not sure of who will be coming into sign.
Low and behold in walks Archer and Wing.
I immediate left and went to eat.
(field pics tomorrow)
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Jones is going into his third year and showed signs of being a decent player (not All Pro, but serviceable) prior to his injury last year. Both of the guys they drafted this year are playing the left side of the defense. Which better, younger player will they lose? Howard Jones or Chickillo? One will probably make the team and one won't and the one that doesn't probably isn't ready yet anyway.
Wolfley was praising Chickillo, saying he is having a outstanding camp.
When I asked him about Golson he said, that's the big question everyone is wondering.
That was before I knew about the trade..............
My bad,( I did say I have crs), I thought DHB was a high pick. My point was that I thought the team has always had a penchant for stubbornness. I say this without proof, just a felling I have lodged in me gullet for some reason.
McCullers hopes for bigger role in second year
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Steelers defensive linemen Daniel McCullers, right, said he has worked to keep his body right in the offseason. McCullers appeared in nine games, starting once, last season.
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By Chris Bradford and Kris Lancaster Times NFL Correspondents | Posted 5 hours ago
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In year two, Daniel McCullers hopes to be a bigger part of the defense, and we mean big. There is nothing small about the 6-foot-7, 252-pound nose tackle who is the largest Steeler in camp. That's actually down about 12 pounds from last season. "Just keeping my body right for the season," he said Saturday. Last year, McCullers appeared in nine games with one start (at Tennessee) becoming the first rookie to start at nose tackle since Casey Hampton 13 years earlier. With his size, McCullers will always draw comparisons to Hampton but the latter was a five-time Pro Bowl selection while McCullers is still working on his craft on the second team. That could change, though, as Steve McLendon, the incumbent, enters the final year of his contract. When he stays low, uses his leverage and his hands, McCullers can be effective. A front of Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt and McCullers is tantalizing, though when McLendon sat out Saturday's practice it was veteran Cam Thomas who practiced with the first team. That said, McCullers said he's far more confident in his ability than he was and is excited for his first season under new coordinator Keith Butler, who has vowed to utilize his defensive line to do more than hold up blocks. "The defense is going to get much pressure, get more penetration, open it up a little more," McCullers said. "I feel like we're going to get a lot more sacks than we did last season. "We can be a dominant line, one of the best in the league," he said.
Through the early days of camp, RB/WR Dri Archer has shown signs of becoming the player the Steelers thought they were getting last season when they used a third-round pick on him. As was evident in Friday night's practice, Archer can be a matchup nightmare. Lined up wide against Vince Williams, Archer cut twice and sped past the linebacker. The question is how does Archer fit in? Can he return kicks better than he did last season? Is he a running back (who can't run between the tackles)? Is he a sixth receiver? As RB Le'Veon Bell sees it, the Steelers need to find a way to get Archer's speed on the field. "He has that great speed that allows him to make plays, and he will make plays as he gains more confidence," Bell said. "He’s a great decoy, too, because the defense knows it has to respect his speed at all times.”
Regardless of his NCAA single-season record for interceptions, Gerod Holliman's future is tenuous as a seventh-round pick. Missing a practice, as Holliman did Friday night with a minor leg injury, can be more than a little frustrating. Holliman, who returned to practice Saturday, said he's still acclimating himself to the NFL."Just looking to work on my conditioning and work my way up on the depth chart," he said.
First-round draft pick Bud Dupree said he felt like he was still playing in high school when practicing under the lights at Latrobe Memorial Stadium on Friday night. One thing he didn't do at Wilkinson County High School or, for that matter, the University of Kentucky was a backs-on-backers drill. Until Friday. "It was pretty good," Dupree said. "I really didn't know what to expect. Once I got going, I was good." Dupree received the first rep of the drill against Bell, who has taken him under his wing. Dupree got the better of it. “He’s tough to block, that’s for sure," said Bell. "He’s so strong and so quick. He’s tough to handle. I’ve taken him off to the side and talked about some of the things you need to do at this level such as take care of your body -- get in the cold tub, get in the hot tub after practice and make sure you let your body heal.”
A day later, several Steelers were still feeling the effects of the night practice in downtown Latrobe. LBs Bud Dupree and Anthony Chickillo along with WR Sammie Coates sported ice packs to the cafeteria for lunch. None appeared serious.
INSIDE THE ROPES
The offense won the daily installment of seven shots to open practice by scoring five times in seven tries. Ben Roethlisberger and Landry Jones each threw two touchdowns passes, with receiver Eli Rogers scoring on an end around.
The highlight of the day came in the backs on backers coverage edition, as Le’Veon Bell took on Lawrence Timmons, as has been the norm so far in camp. The two went head to head six times in the drill, with Bell winning four of them, including a fade into the back corner of the end zone.
Dri Archer also impressed in the drill and in team drills, using his speed and agility to gain separation against Ryan Shazier on numerous occasions. Archer has looked more and more comfortable as camp has progressed.
Archer made a nice run and catch later in practice, by catching making a short catch and making a defender miss, before outracing the rest of the defense to the end zone.
Stephon Tuitt began team drills by shedding a block and dropping Josh Harris in the backfield for a loss. Cam Thomas also blew up a play in the backfield by running over rookie Reese Dismukes.
Tight End Cameron Clear made a juggling catch over the middle, then took a hard hit from Shamarko Thomas and held onto the football.
Running backs Ross Scheuerman and Cameron Stingley each broke off big runs on consecutive plays. Scheuerman took a big hit from Antwan Blake at the end of his run but popped right back up.
Chris Hubbard took reps with the first team offense at left guard with Ramon Foster getting the day off.
Tyler Murphy continues to get plenty of reps at quarterback. Murphy actually received more reps on Saturday than Tajh Boyd.
There were a few minor injuries Saturday that caused some players not to finish practice. They were Ryan Shazier (lower back), Jarvis Jones (bicep), Shamarko Thomas (shoulder), Josh Harris (shoulder), Ross Scheuerman (left achilles).
The one that hurts out of that group is Scheuerman, who has played well in camp and is fighting to make the roster. There is no word yet in regards to the significance of any of those injuries.
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Mike Tomlin, coach, on decision on who to rest for practice
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In year two, Daniel McCullers hopes to be a bigger part of the defense, and we mean big. There is nothing small about the 6-foot-7, 252-pound nose tackle who is the largest Steeler in camp. That's actually down about 12 pounds from last season. "Just keeping my body right for the season," he said Saturday. Last year, McCullers appeared in nine games with one start (at Tennessee) becoming the first rookie to start at nose tackle since Casey Hampton 13 years earlier. With his size, McCullers will always draw comparisons to Hampton but the latter was a five-time Pro Bowl selection while McCullers is still working on his craft on the second team. That could change, though, as Steve McLendon, the incumbent, enters the final year of his contract. When he stays low, uses his leverage and his hands, McCullers can be effective. A front of Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt and McCullers is tantalizing, though when McLendon sat out Saturday's practice it was veteran Cam Thomas who practiced with the first team. That said, McCullers said he's far more confident in his ability than he was and is excited for his first season under new coordinator Keith Butler, who has vowed to utilize his defensive line to do more than hold up blocks. "The defense is going to get much pressure, get more penetration, open it up a little more," McCullers said. "I feel like we're going to get a lot more sacks than we did last season. "We can be a dominant line, one of the best in the league," he said.
Through the early days of camp, RB/WR Dri Archer has shown signs of becoming the player the Steelers thought they were getting last season when they used a third-round pick on him. As was evident in Friday night's practice, Archer can be a matchup nightmare. Lined up wide against Vince Williams, Archer cut twice and sped past the linebacker. The question is how does Archer fit in? Can he return kicks better than he did last season? Is he a running back (who can't run between the tackles)? Is he a sixth receiver? As RB Le'Veon Bell sees it, the Steelers need to find a way to get Archer's speed on the field. "He has that great speed that allows him to make plays, and he will make plays as he gains more confidence," Bell said. "He’s a great decoy, too, because the defense knows it has to respect his speed at all times.”
Regardless of his NCAA single-season record for interceptions, Gerod Holliman's future is tenuous as a seventh-round pick. Missing a practice, as Holliman did Friday night with a minor leg injury, can be more than a little frustrating. Holliman, who returned to practice Saturday, said he's still acclimating himself to the NFL."Just looking to work on my conditioning and work my way up on the depth chart," he said.
First-round draft pick Bud Dupree said he felt like he was still playing in high school when practicing under the lights at Latrobe Memorial Stadium on Friday night. One thing he didn't do at Wilkinson County High School or, for that matter, the University of Kentucky was a backs-on-backers drill. Until Friday. "It was pretty good," Dupree said. "I really didn't know what to expect. Once I got going, I was good." Dupree received the first rep of the drill against Bell, who has taken him under his wing. Dupree got the better of it. “He’s tough to block, that’s for sure," said Bell. "He’s so strong and so quick. He’s tough to handle. I’ve taken him off to the side and talked about some of the things you need to do at this level such as take care of your body -- get in the cold tub, get in the hot tub after practice and make sure you let your body heal.”
A day later, several Steelers were still feeling the effects of the night practice in downtown Latrobe. LBs Bud Dupree and Anthony Chickillo along with WR Sammie Coates sported ice packs to the cafeteria for lunch. None appeared serious.
INSIDE THE ROPES
The offense won the daily installment of seven shots to open practice by scoring five times in seven tries. Ben Roethlisberger and Landry Jones each threw two touchdowns passes, with receiver Eli Rogers scoring on an end around.
The highlight of the day came in the backs on backers coverage edition, as Le’Veon Bell took on Lawrence Timmons, as has been the norm so far in camp. The two went head to head six times in the drill, with Bell winning four of them, including a fade into the back corner of the end zone.
Dri Archer also impressed in the drill and in team drills, using his speed and agility to gain separation against Ryan Shazier on numerous occasions. Archer has looked more and more comfortable as camp has progressed.
Archer made a nice run and catch later in practice, by catching making a short catch and making a defender miss, before outracing the rest of the defense to the end zone.
Stephon Tuitt began team drills by shedding a block and dropping Josh Harris in the backfield for a loss. Cam Thomas also blew up a play in the backfield by running over rookie Reese Dismukes.
Tight End Cameron Clear made a juggling catch over the middle, then took a hard hit from Shamarko Thomas and held onto the football.
Running backs Ross Scheuerman and Cameron Stingley each broke off big runs on consecutive plays. Scheuerman took a big hit from Antwan Blake at the end of his run but popped right back up.
Chris Hubbard took reps with the first team offense at left guard with Ramon Foster getting the day off.
Tyler Murphy continues to get plenty of reps at quarterback. Murphy actually received more reps on Saturday than Tajh Boyd.
There were a few minor injuries Saturday that caused some players not to finish practice. They were Ryan Shazier (lower back), Jarvis Jones (bicep), Shamarko Thomas (shoulder), Josh Harris (shoulder), Ross Scheuerman (left achilles).
The one that hurts out of that group is Scheuerman, who has played well in camp and is fighting to make the roster. There is no word yet in regards to the significance of any of those injuries.
QUOTEWORTHY
"I'm schizophrenic. I'm not even going to pretend like there's some rhyme or reason to it. If they're working well and we have enough healthy guys at the position, from time to time, I'll throw them a bone. Not a bone with a lot of meat on it. Just the bone."
Mike Tomlin, coach, on decision on who to rest for practice
as I promised Steeler training camp photos. Enjoy !
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I've watched Chickillo in camp and he looks good, even very good at times. But I am also not ready to call him better against Jarvis Jones, who has to match up against Kelvin Beachum every practice and not against a guy who will be bagging groceries in a few weeks.
Alex Kozora of Steelers Depot has raved several times about the way Jarvis is defending the run this year.
I know we all want to hear reports of Uncle Jarvis dominating. But Alot are failing to realize how good Beachum is playing. Steel sharpens Steel. Jarvis has been good against the run and has beaten Beachum too.
That's pretty good. Those guys usually have much positive to say about Jarvis. Even when he does something good.
I think he's had a couple of picks also.
Hmmmm - I wonder if the naysayers could see these comments - so I made them RED...
More good news??? But, Coach Tomlin had picked this kid???
Again - phucking logic is a mofo...
Both Jarvis and Shazier are suited up to practice today
Its all relative when they are practicing vs each other... a lot more will be known after sunday
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That's nice to hear. Cool.
That actually is a good sign. Jarvis's play vs the run was a big reason that Harrison was brought back... but ultimately, still the whole success of the JJ pick will still hinge on whether he can consistently get pressure on the QB, not his play in coverage or vs the run.