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Judgement Day "Shady Brady" vs. Roger - OFFICIAL THREAD

wig said:
He's such a ******* weasel.

Does he NOT see that he's completely destroying his reputation among everyone OUTSIDE of the greater Boston area?
Amazing.
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He doesn't give a ****. That's obvious.
 
And there has NEVER been a solid, scientifically accurate modus operendi when it comes to ball pressure during games. To just randomly measure football pressure in ONE game at halftime (I'm not sure this has ever been done before) and conclude something is wrong is the most illogical thing ever and will never stand up to courtroom scrutiny.
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And the reason is no one else tried to cheat this way before.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...rady-case/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&ref=yfp

NFLPA is arguing that a Jets ballboy was caught tampering with kicking balls in 2009. In that case the NFL didn't punish the kicker (ala Brady in this case) for knowing that it was being done. Granted, I don't think there were text messages from the Kicker to the ballboy instructing him to do it as is the case here. I can see the NFLPA's argument because the NFL has clearly shown unequal punishments and also punishments that don't fit the crime. However, Brady and the Pats are repeat cheating offenders so the Jets issue isn't entirely apples to apples.

Also, didn't the CBA (which both parties signed) give Goodell this power in the first place? It's not like he's technically doing anything against his powers in the CBA so I don't see how the NFLPA would win anything in court. There's no where it says Goodell's punishments need to have any sort of continuity. How can one party sign a contract and then sue the other party when they are following the contract that they both agreed upon? That's the whole point of a contract in the first place. Or is the NFLPA just doing this out of formality to act like it's protecting the players when they really have no chance in hell of winning anything?
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Not even close to the same thing. How many times would a kicking ball be used in a game vs how many times would the balls be used for normal play on the field. The ball for kicking on one teams side might have an effect on 5 plays or less. The others would be used possibly 50 times.
 
Spike said:
ha ha

MN judge kicks appeal back to NY

A Minnesota judge has transferred the NFLPA's Tom Brady lawsuit back to New York.

The NFLPA filed the suit in Minnesota in an effort to get Judge David Doty, who has historically sided with the Player's Association. U.S. District Judge Richard Kyle saw through that, kicking the case back to Manhattan where the NFL preemptively filed. "The Court sees little reason for this action to have been commenced in Minnesota at all," Kyle wrote.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/313681/judge-kicks-tom-brady-case-back-to-new-york
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OMG...this judge is working with Goodell to ruin Bwady's reputation. How dare him!!
 
Looks like the judge in NY is basically telling both parties to settle their differences.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...rady-case/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&ref=yfp

NFLPA is arguing that a Jets ballboy was caught tampering with kicking balls in 2009. In that case the NFL didn't punish the kicker (ala Brady in this case) for knowing that it was being done. Granted, I don't think there were text messages from the Kicker to the ballboy instructing him to do it as is the case here. I can see the NFLPA's argument because the NFL has clearly shown unequal punishments and also punishments that don't fit the crime. However, Brady and the Pats are repeat cheating offenders so the Jets issue isn't entirely apples to apples.

Also, didn't the CBA (which both parties signed) give Goodell this power in the first place? It's not like he's technically doing anything against his powers in the CBA so I don't see how the NFLPA would win anything in court. There's no where it says Goodell's punishments need to have any sort of continuity. How can one party sign a contract and then sue the other party when they are following the contract that they both agreed upon? That's the whole point of a contract in the first place. Or is the NFLPA just doing this out of formality to act like it's protecting the players when they really have no chance in hell of winning anything?
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I wonder where they were when Ben's whole fiasco went down?......cricket....cricket....cricket....cricket
 
Wingman said:
Not even close to the same thing. How many times would a kicking ball be used in a game vs how many times would the balls be used for normal play on the field. The ball for kicking on one teams side might have an effect on 5 plays or less. The others would be used possibly 50 times.
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I honestly don't see your point about the number of times a ball would be used....if a ball is tampered with then a violation occurred. It is that simple.
 
I thought the NFL filed something in NY right after the apeal ruling, thus forcing the "whomever" judge to referr it to NY. as the timing was first , thus the jurisdiction. I HOPE t*mmy b*y fights and fights, till the whole cheating caves in on him and these ridiculus cheatriots and the ******** fans (sorry tards). Entitlement / arrogance / privy to / are just a few discriptive words. @ssholes / ******** / **** suckers / are just a few more, for the afore mentioned.




Salute the nation
 
stillwright said:
I honestly don't see your point about the number of times a ball would be used....if a ball is tampered with then a violation occurred. It is that simple.
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Well, here's the thing, the Jets kicker never got that edge for the actual game. Here was the wording from 2009:

in 2009, the NFL suspended a member of the New York Jets equipment staff after he "attempted to use unapproved equipment to prep the K[icking] Balls prior to" a Jets game against the New England Patriots. According to the NFL in imposing the discipline, the equipment personnel's "attempt to use unapproved materials to prep the K[icking] Balls could [have] easily be[en] interpreted as an attempt to gain a competitive advantage."
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The key word there, of course, is "attempted" which was used twice in the description. They caught it and suspended the equipment guy. The NFLPA's argument about the kicker not being suspended is rather hilarious. 1. He never benefited from the ordeal. and 2. There was no circumstantial evidence that showed the kicker was telling the guy to do it.

But I'm rather enjoying their complete grasping at straws at this point. For every time they proclaim a hole in something the league has said or done, they throw up their own brand of swiss cheese.
 
stillwright said:
I wonder where they were when Ben's whole fiasco went down?......cricket....cricket....cricket....cricket
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This was brought up in today's edition of The Newspaper Whose Name We Dare Not Speak and pointed out that because of that and the arbitrary fines on Deebo for being a big meany the Steelers were the only team who voted against the current CBA. Now the shoe is on a few other players' feets.
 
stillwright said:
I honestly don't see your point about the number of times a ball would be used....if a ball is tampered with then a violation occurred. It is that simple.
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Really? The kicking ball might be used on few occasions, extra points where it would make little difference 2 or 3 field goals. The ball used in regular play would be used 50 times or more so you do not see the difference between 5 plays and 50 and in the case of the kicking balls may have had no effect at all on the plays in question. The other incident was not for actually using the balls in question but attempting to prep the balls with unapproved equipment. Seems like a horse of a different color entirely. A quick look did not disclose how the balls were tampered with or what was attempted but it would be interesting to find out how and what was done to the balls and if any of them were actually used in a game. It looks like the only thing that the two incidents have in common were the word tampering that was used by the nfl.
 
Ive been saying brady was going to lose since day 1.... Courts don't really get involved with this stuff... there are tons of attempts every year and from what I see they don't hear the cases even when the arbitrator was 100% wrong. The union erred by letting Goodell have the option to be the arbitrator in the CBA. now they will live with his ruling... I just hope that the judge dismisses it early and an injunction doesn't even come into play...
 
madinsomniac said:
Ive been saying brady was going to lose since day 1.... Courts don't really get involved with this stuff... there are tons of attempts every year and from what I see they don't hear the cases even when the arbitrator was 100% wrong. The union erred by letting Goodell have the option to be the arbitrator in the CBA. now they will live with his ruling... I just hope that the judge dismisses it early and an injunction doesn't even come into play...
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Even if the court does hear these things, I just wonder why they don't treat only the salary issue. Lots of folks in many other professions get paid time outs. Paid leave and all.

Or the courts should put a gun to the NFL's head and resolve these issues by dissolving the CBA and discarding all anti-competitive legal positions the NFL enjoys.

At some point, while this is just delicious as M*rsha, the P*ts and ******* Roger all squirm, the NFL is the clear loser as it can't get its **** together.

Say whatever you want about Ben and Deebo, but they made their appeals and then got back to work. The Steelers season was irreparably harmed by Ben's suspension for something that couldn't even hold spurious charges, not something like this where the rules breaking has been admitted by the team, demonstrated by its actions in firing staff, and been clearly against the image of the league.

Is M*rsha more of an entitled douchebag or a selfish ********?
 
Confluence said:
Even if the court does hear these things, I just wonder why they don't treat only the salary issue. Lots of folks in many other professions get paid time outs. Paid leave and all.

Or the courts should put a gun to the NFL's head and resolve these issues by dissolving the CBA and discarding all anti-competitive legal positions the NFL enjoys.

At some point, while this is just delicious as M*rsha, the P*ts and ******* Roger all squirm, the NFL is the clear loser as it can't get its **** together.

Say whatever you want about Ben and Deebo, but they made their appeals and then got back to work. The Steelers season was irreparably harmed by Ben's suspension for something that couldn't even hold spurious charges, not something like this where the rules breaking has been admitted by the team, demonstrated by its actions in firing staff, and been clearly against the image of the league.

Is M*rsha more of an entitled douchebag or a selfish ********?
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I'd say,...............................he is ..........BOTH..........



Salute the nation
 
Wingman said:
Really? The kicking ball might be used on few occasions, extra points where it would make little difference 2 or 3 field goals. The ball used in regular play would be used 50 times or more so you do not see the difference between 5 plays and 50 and in the case of the kicking balls may have had no effect at all on the plays in question. The other incident was not for actually using the balls in question but attempting to prep the balls with unapproved equipment. Seems like a horse of a different color entirely. A quick look did not disclose how the balls were tampered with or what was attempted but it would be interesting to find out how and what was done to the balls and if any of them were actually used in a game. It looks like the only thing that the two incidents have in common were the word tampering that was used by the nfl.
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Well their you have it....
 
I am in agreement with the guy who said that he is enjoying the NFL/Cheatriots/Marsh squirm thing. They created a real mess when they decided to hide the cheating the first time. Now Marsha and the whole bunch feels that the NFL will clean up their yard turds, and this is the result.

Good. Let's hope the whole house of cards falls and we can get some real NFL football again. It would be great if the favored ones and Herr Goodell all fall together.
 
Ive been saying for years that wicked salacious dirty love affair going on in NE would end badly. They have and will continue to turn on each other.
 
Those ******** have been allowed to cheat for YEARS. **** those chowder eating pricks and that stupid cheating **** qb. I have zero empathy.
 
A most excellent article on why Tom Brady won't win this battle.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-in-court-legal-experts-say-its-a-long-shot/

Will Tom Brady, NFLPA prevail in court? Legal experts say it’s a long shot.

The NFL and the players’ union have become so accustomed to facing one another in court that a single lawsuit wasn’t enough for them in the Tom Brady case.

Instead, the league and union filed dueling lawsuits in federal courts in New York and Minnesota over Brady’s four-game DeflateGate suspension, which was upheld Tuesday by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after he heard the appeal of the four-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback for the New England Patriots.

The league is seeking to have Goodell’s ruling confirmed, while the union and Brady are attempting to have Brady’s suspension overturned. On Thursday, a Minnesota judge ruled the case should be heard in Manhattan. The NFL and its players have a long history in the Minnesota courts, where the players often have prevailed.

[Six months of DeflateGate condensed into five key questions]

The NFL Players Association has had success in recent months contesting the suspensions of Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy. But legal experts say the union and Brady have the odds stacked against them in this case.

“It’s an uphill battle,” said Gabriel Feldman, the director of the sports law program at Tulane University. “That’s primarily because as a general matter it is very difficult to overturn an internal arbitration decision whether the court agrees with that decision or not.”

That doesn’t mean the union cannot prevail. But it does mean that Brady and the NFLPA must do more than demonstrate Goodell’s rejection of Brady’s appeal was incorrect.

The union also signaled in its lawsuit that it intends to seek an expedited ruling or an injunction that would allow Brady to play in the NFL’s season-opening game Sept. 10 against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

“There are two battles, one to get the suspension overturned and one to get a preliminary injunction so he can play while he attempts to get the suspension overturned,” Feldman said. “They’re both uphill battles. Courts are reluctant to overturn internal arbitration decisions. It’s not whether the judge agrees or disagrees with the decision. The decision has to be shown to be arbitrary or capricious, or that the arbitrator was not impartial or there was a flawed process. To get an injunction, he’ll have to show not only that he has a likelihood of success on the merits but also that he would suffer irreparable harm.

“It’s hard to show how missing four games can’t be repaired by paying him his salary for those four games. You can try. You can argue that careers are short and those four games can’t be recovered. There are certainly grounds for review. The union has a host of arguments it can make and will make. It’s possible. But it’s a steep climb.”

Opinions vary about what the outcome is likely to be. David Cornwell, an attorney who has represented NFL players in a variety of cases and a former candidate for executive director of the NFLPA, said when asked about Brady’s chances of success in court: “None.”

The NFL says it properly followed Article 46 of the collective bargaining agreement between the league and union, which outlines the disciplinary process in such cases and, among other things, empowers Goodell or someone designated by him to hear a player’s appeal.

“It appears the process complied with Article 46,” Cornwell said. “What is granted to the commissioner is absolute authority to protect the integrity of the game. It is a hard and fast rule. He’s obligated to be fair, to not be arbitrary and capricious. You have to show fraud or undue bias to overturn an arbitration. You can’t do that here.”

Cornwell said the evidence allowed Goodell to reasonably conclude that the Patriots and Brady violated the sport’s competitive rules. This week’s revelation that Brady directed that his cell phone be destroyed before he met with league-appointed investigators also works against the quarterback, according to Cornwell.

“When you destroy evidence, as a matter of law, there is a presumption that the evidence would be harmful to you,” Cornwell said. “The explanation for destroying the phone does not make sense. It makes no sense to say that phone one was destroyed and phone two was not. It is reasonable to conclude that it is more likely than not they engaged in cheating.

“Since Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis suspended players in the Black Sox scandal, it has been well established that commissioners have the authority to act to preserve the integrity of the game. They are challenging principles that have been in place since the beginning of sports.”
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Yeah, BULLSHIT like this is why we have a court system. The ************ is playing a goddamn game and will be financially better off than 99% of the country when he retires. Even if he doesn't play another game. This is a waste of taxpayer money for the court system to even waste a single piece of paper or kb of data on email.
 
nitsuj1225 said:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...llective-bargaining-agreement-goodell?ref=yfp

Hard to argue with this.
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Does not sound like it does anything other than provide a bit of history for things that have already been covered. Those **** heads were fine with Ben and James being the object of capricious and possibly very subjective fines but now that one of the golden boys is caught cheating again they want to change things they can go **** themselves with a cactus.
 
Good news. We'll know before the season starts


NFL, union ask U.S. judge to decide on Brady suspension by Sept. 4


Tom Brady’s attorneys have filed a motion asking the court to rule on the player’s four-game DeflateGate suspension before the start of the season, the Boston Globe reports. The NFL has agreed, according to NFL Players Association attorney Jeffrey Kessler, and now it’s just up to a Southern District Court of New York to approve the motion.

By Aug. 7, each side would be required to file the motions regarding whether to uphold or overturn Brady’s four-game suspension. By Aug. 14, each side would have to file their responses to the other’s argument.T hen the sides would work together to set a date to present their oral arguments before the judge that would allow a final decision on the matter to be made by Sept. 4.

http://news.yahoo.com/nfl-union-ask-u-judge-decide-brady-suspension-183841039--nfl.html
 
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