This getting OLD,....... AAA-ron related

[Gildong Sack]

BTW so Rodgers demands precision. He should. These guys are pros. He's the leader of the O. Receivers need to be precise.

Now here's the thing though about that article......thats the thing I hate about click bait sports writing. Nick puts out a tweet saying there was miscommunication twice 1st day of camp. THATS IT........THATS ALL.HE MOTHER F-ING WROTE

then the article makes innuendo about Ridgers not getting along with his receivers, and not developing with them, and this and that and all the steelers fans get their panties in a wedge and ARon is this and Aron is that.

He's a HOF QB. Learn your f-ing routes and run them right and get on board with your QB. There's no crying in football. I'm sure Aaaron communicates to his receivers what he wants and how he wants his receivers to do x,y, or z. Is it not up to them to learn and execute?

This is just more of the sports media " You hate A.R.? Here you go (insert dog whistle here) we do too since drama pays the bills!

Roman Wilson is what he is, and Bernard will be fine. Jesus Christ....social media has destroyed people's perspective on everything seems like.

 

[Polambertberger]

I’ll be happy to have Rodgers prove himself by him helping Bernard and Bernard helping himself having a solid rookie season and being a fixture in the offense and not going scrap heap diving in the middle of the year for washed up buddies of Rodgers to replace a high draft pick like last year

You draft a guy 2nd round Bernard or 3rd round Wilson it’s everyone’s job to make them better, including the player. The failure to do that: Wilson, Najee, Pickett, Jones, Pickens, etc is why this franchise has been irrelevant the past 8 years

Your 42 year old QB who will retire in February, who hasn’t done jack since he left the Packers years ago, doesn’t get to dictate the direction of the offense

Davante Adam's 2nd round 2015
1st yr 446 yards
With vets Jones and Cobb on the team
2nd year 1k yards 3rd year 877 4th 1386
We all know he became all world

Nelson 2nd round 2008
1St year 366 yards 2 tds
That team had 2 1k receivers in Jennings and driver and also had James Jones as a 3rd and yet Nelson still contributed as a 4th receiver rookie and later developed into a top receiver with AR. In his 3rd year he was the leading receiver for the packers even with Jennings, driver, and Jones (all vets) still on the team

Lazard undrafted 2018
rookie year 477 yards
This with MVS, Allison, and Adam's on the team. In 3 years as an undrafted player he was the leading receiver on the team

Cobb 2nd round
375 yards
That team had Nelson as the top dog, Jennings, driver, James Jones and yet Cobb still contributed. In his second year with Rodgers he had almost 1k yards and had 1287 yards in his fourth year.

Geronimo Allison undrafted
1st year 202 yards
2nd year 253 yards
An undrafted kid contributed with Adam's, Cobb, and Nelson on the team

Jarrett Boykin.......undrafted 2012
Had Cobb, Jones, Nelson, driver and Jennings on the team agead of him.....only had 27 yards but in his 2nd year had 681 yards with only Driver off the team out of that bunch when Cobb got injured

Eqauanimeous st brown 6th round pick 2018
MVS 5th round 2018
Rookie year st brown 328 yards
MVS 581 yards
This with Cobb, Adam's, Allison on the team still

Watson 2nd round 2022 611 yards
Dobbs 4th round 2022 425 yards
This with lazard, Cobb, and Sammy Watkins on the team.

Aside from some depth piece WRs that played special teams or were backups Rodgers had almost every rookie contribute in a meaningful way as a rookie and a lot of these guys were undrafted, or late round picks. The only guys drafted High for Rodgers were Nelson, Adams and Watson and were all taken in the 2nd round. Rodgers was gone after Watsons rookie year but both Nelson and Adam's became the leading receivers for the team early in their careers with Rodgers even with key vets still on the team.

Even in his only full.year with the jets with lazard, Mike Williams and davante on the team, it was the 3rd year player in Wilson that led the team in receiving.

Where the F is the narrative of Rodgers not liking young receivers coming from? He's turned a lot of late round roster fills into NFL starters and has thrown to just about every rookie that has been thrown on his team.

Maybe just maybe the rookies or young receivers we have drafted recently that he had to work with just flat out weren't good picks.

If Bernard is good I'm sure he will do.just fine with AR

 

[stillwright]

I’ll be happy to have Rodgers prove himself by him helping Bernard and Bernard helping himself having a solid rookie season and being a fixture in the offense and not going scrap heap diving in the middle of the year for washed up buddies of Rodgers to replace a high draft pick like last year

You draft a guy 2nd round Bernard or 3rd round Wilson it’s everyone’s job to make them better, including the player. The failure to do that: Wilson, Najee, Pickett, Jones, Pickens, etc is why this franchise has been irrelevant the past 8 years

Your 42 year old QB who will retire in February, who hasn’t done jack since he left the Packers years ago, doesn’t get to dictate the direction of the offense

Or maybe the problem isn't our HOF QB.

 

[Polambertberger]

I’ll be happy to have Rodgers prove himself by him helping Bernard and Bernard helping himself having a solid rookie season and being a fixture in the offense and not going scrap heap diving in the middle of the year for washed up buddies of Rodgers to replace a high draft pick like last year

You draft a guy 2nd round Bernard or 3rd round Wilson it’s everyone’s job to make them better, including the player. The failure to do that: Wilson, Najee, Pickett, Jones, Pickens, etc is why this franchise has been irrelevant the past 8 years

Your 42 year old QB who will retire in February, who hasn’t done jack since he left the Packers years ago, doesn’t get to dictate the direction of the offense

I don't think Roman is the sharpest tool.in the shed. It's not AR that is keeping him off the field. It's Wilson and being injured doesn't help. You really think a 42 year old QB who is a first ballot HOFer wants to do anything but win? He's going to tell the coaches who he thinks the best receivers are for the team, as if the coaches don't know already. If they can't get on the same page as AR they don't deserve to be on the field.

There is just this really dumb *** narrative about Rodgers being some a hole that only cares about his buddies being on the field instead of rhe best players. That is flat out one of the most unintelligent narratives out there. I'm sure he wants Bernard to be on the field. The kid is talented. If he can digest the playbook he should be fine. From.everything I've read He's a hard working kid and he's the furthest thing from a diva so he should be fine. I would expect 500 to 650 yards from.him and maybe he even surprises because clearly Metcalf and Pittman are gonna get the attention. I think frankly it comes down to matchups.....if he's the slot kid, and rhe slot corners are soft GameDay he's gonna get his share

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

brownbrown20

 

[slashsteel]

So far Wilson has shown more good than bad in these two practices and AR has been sharp. Will Howard and Allar has had splash plays which today could have arguably been considered a win for the O which the first day was a nod to the D.

Samuel continues his solid play. DK schooled Everette on one play.

They primarily had Black man NT today. Could very well be the beginning of moving rotating Benton to DE.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Davante Adam's 2nd round 2015
1st yr 446 yards
With vets Jones and Cobb on the team
2nd year 1k yards 3rd year 877 4th 1386
We all know he became all world

Nelson 2nd round 2008
1St year 366 yards 2 tds
That team had 2 1k receivers in Jennings and driver and also had James Jones as a 3rd and yet Nelson still contributed as a 4th receiver rookie and later developed into a top receiver with AR. In his 3rd year he was the leading receiver for the packers even with Jennings, driver, and Jones (all vets) still on the team

Lazard undrafted 2018
rookie year 477 yards
This with MVS, Allison, and Adam's on the team. In 3 years as an undrafted player he was the leading receiver on the team

Cobb 2nd round
375 yards
That team had Nelson as the top dog, Jennings, driver, James Jones and yet Cobb still contributed. In his second year with Rodgers he had almost 1k yards and had 1287 yards in his fourth year.

Geronimo Allison undrafted
1st year 202 yards
2nd year 253 yards
An undrafted kid contributed with Adam's, Cobb, and Nelson on the team

Jarrett Boykin.......undrafted 2012
Had Cobb, Jones, Nelson, driver and Jennings on the team agead of him.....only had 27 yards but in his 2nd year had 681 yards with only Driver off the team out of that bunch when Cobb got injured

Eqauanimeous st brown 6th round pick 2018
MVS 5th round 2018
Rookie year st brown 328 yards
MVS 581 yards
This with Cobb, Adam's, Allison on the team still

Watson 2nd round 2022 611 yards
Dobbs 4th round 2022 425 yards
This with lazard, Cobb, and Sammy Watkins on the team.

Aside from some depth piece WRs that played special teams or were backups Rodgers had almost every rookie contribute in a meaningful way as a rookie and a lot of these guys were undrafted, or late round picks. The only guys drafted High for Rodgers were Nelson, Adams and Watson and were all taken in the 2nd round. Rodgers was gone after Watsons rookie year but both Nelson and Adam's became the leading receivers for the team early in their careers with Rodgers even with key vets still on the team.

Even in his only full.year with the jets with lazard, Mike Williams and davante on the team, it was the 3rd year player in Wilson that led the team in receiving.

Where the F is the narrative of Rodgers not liking young receivers coming from? He's turned a lot of late round roster fills into NFL starters and has thrown to just about every rookie that has been thrown on his team.

Maybe just maybe the rookies or young receivers we have drafted recently that he had to work with just flat out weren't good picks.

If Bernard is good I'm sure he will do.just fine with AR

August 2022:

We're going to play our best guys when the season starts," Rodgers said. "And whoever those guys are, those guys are going to get the reps. It's the guys I trust the most and the guys the coaches trust the most. A lot of it is just the simple responsibility in the offense. Way before body positioning and movement and throw, and all that stuff, are you in the right spot at the right time? Are you running the right route?

The young guys, especially young receivers, we've got to be way more consistent," Rodgers said Tuesday, per ESPN. "A lot of drops, a lot of bad route decisions, running the wrong route. We've got to get better in that area."

I don’t care if he trusts Bernard week 1 or not, he should play in the interest of the long term if the coaches want him out there. And don’t doubt for a minute that Rodgers will campaign for his own agenda and opinions over the coaches. We should stop acting in the interest of a 42 year old QB that vacillated all offseason the past 2 years if he wanted to play here or not above what’s best for the team. If Rodgers wants control over who’s out there he needs to start playing like a HOF QB again-then he can wield that leverage…

Rodgers is a below average to good QB in 2026 depending on the day, he’s not sniffing hall of fame level play right now or ever again. Rodgers tries to get his way with things, he’s stubborn, he’s opinionated, he calls people out-and that’s all fine and was really needed during the Tomlin era.. Someone in the front office needs to put the teams long term interests above Rodgers tho.

 

[Polambertberger]

It’s early in the process so can’t get too worried at this point. However, I do like what I’m seeing with this new HC and his staff. Much more attention to detail and communication. I like that they are moving TJ around rather than keeping him in one spot. Also read that McCarthy had the benches removed and that the pace at training camp is very up tempo. No one is just standing around waiting their turn but always involved in some type of drill.
I think McCarthy is all business and it’s not about him like the last guy we had here. I also think this is a much more competent and talented coaching staff than what we’ve had here.
Let’s see how this all translates on the field come September but still much too early to get concerned about anything.

August 2022:

We're going to play our best guys when the season starts," Rodgers said. "And whoever those guys are, those guys are going to get the reps. It's the guys I trust the most and the guys the coaches trust the most. A lot of it is just the simple responsibility in the offense. Way before body positioning and movement and throw, and all that stuff, are you in the right spot at the right time? Are you running the right route?

The young guys, especially young receivers, we've got to be way more consistent," Rodgers said Tuesday, per ESPN. "A lot of drops, a lot of bad route decisions, running the wrong route. We've got to get better in that area."

I don’t care if he trusts Bernard week 1 or not, he should play in the interest of the long term if the coaches want him out there. And don’t doubt for a minute that Rodgers will campaign for his own agenda and opinions over the coaches. We should stop acting in the interest of a 42 year old QB that vacillated all offseason the past 2 years if he wanted to play here or not above what’s best for the team. If Rodgers wants control over who’s out there he needs to start playing like a HOF QB again-then he can wield that leverage…

Rodgers is a below average to good QB in 2026 depending on the day, he’s not sniffing hall of fame level play right now or ever again. Rodgers tries to get his way with things, he’s stubborn, he’s opinionated, he calls people out-and that’s all fine and was really needed during the Tomlin era.. Someone in the front office needs to put the teams long term interests above Rodgers tho.

AV......sounds like you don't particularly like the guy. Smart experienced QBs should be opinionated. They should speak their mind. They should call out players who mess up. The best receivers are not only the most gifted but the ones running the right route. The best receivers are the ones not dropping balls. The best receivers are the ones making the proper adjustments given the defensive scheme. I think Bernard will be fine. He's a Jesus kid with manners and ethic. He went to frigging Bama. He's versatile. In the event Bernard drops balls, makes the wrong adjustments, runs a bad route then he's not the best to be on the field. He has practice, he has away from practice, he has all the coaches, teammates and help at his disposal. If he wants it bad he will make it happen and Aaron will want him on the field.

I'm sure Aaron will assist Germie in his development but it's not Aaron's job to make him ready. It's on the rookie. If he doesnt contribute meaningfully this year it's on Germie.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Lol funny funny Steeler fan

I'm a poker player

You never know what you are gonna get =)

It's Drink Iron City, many just call me DIC

Steeler fan use to post here, he was pretty knowledgeable and a hoot too.

So complements either way...................... !!!




Salute the nation

 

[Polambertberger]

So far Wilson has shown more good than bad in these two practices and AR has been sharp. Will Howard and Allar has had splash plays which today could have arguably been considered a win for the O which the first day was a nod to the D.

Samuel continues his solid play. DK schooled Everette on one play.

They primarily had Black man NT today. Could very well be the beginning of moving rotating Benton to DE.

BTW not to harp on Allar or McCarthy or Howard but I really dug into the narrative of McCarthy being a QB whisperer. Was it BS or is there truth to it. I'll share some tidbits:

McCarthy did put Rodgers through his famous QB school. I'm gonna try to get details on what his QB school entailed but it involved just about every nuance revolving around a QBs throwing .....wrist movement, release and release point, stance, hips, eyes, drops, even down to the fingers. How to scan a defense, balance......they were 7 hour sessions. Lots of very detailed mechanics and lots of film study. Remember Rodgers sat for a couple years under Farve but one of the reasons Rodgers went 24th in the first was his mechanics. The MVP Rodgers was rebuilt for 2 years while under Farve. McCarthy changed Aaron's slot release considerably. His famous wrist snapping release really was solodified under McCarthys tutelage.

What did they say about Rodgers in the draft?

Cannon arm
Rigid mechanics....robotic
Panics under pressure
A clone of Kyle Boller

And the QB coach for the Steelers went through the same QB school alongside Rodgers as a Packer.......Tom Arth.

I also read somewhere how Howard sat down with McCarthy and McCarthy has endless footage of games and practices of Rodgers, Farve, Montana etc.......he showed hours and hours of footage of Rodgers from when he first arrived at Green Bay to when he was MVP and Howard was amazed at the progression from start to finish

Get excited Steelers fans. We have a great coach for a QB

 

[slashsteel]

BTW not to harp on Allar or McCarthy or Howard but I really dug into the narrative of McCarthy being a QB whisperer. Was it BS or is there truth to it. I'll share some tidbits:

McCarthy did put Rodgers through his famous QB school. I'm gonna try to get details on what his QB school entailed but it involved just about every nuance revolving around a QBs throwing .....wrist movement, release and release point, stance, hips, eyes, drops, even down to the fingers. How to scan a defense, balance......they were 7 hour sessions. Lots of very detailed mechanics and lots of film study. Remember Rodgers sat for a couple years under Farve but one of the reasons Rodgers went 24th in the first was his mechanics. The MVP Rodgers was rebuilt for 2 years while under Farve. McCarthy changed Aaron's slot release considerably. His famous wrist snapping release really was solodified under McCarthys tutelage.

What did they say about Rodgers in the draft?

Cannon arm
Rigid mechanics....robotic
Panics under pressure
A clone of Kyle Boller

And the QB coach for the Steelers went through the same QB school alongside Rodgers as a Packer.......Tom Arth.

I also read somewhere how Howard sat down with McCarthy and McCarthy has endless footage of games and practices of Rodgers, Farve, Montana etc.......he showed hours and hours of footage of Rodgers from when he first arrived at Green Bay to when he was MVP and Howard was amazed at the progression from start to finish

Get excited Steelers fans. We have a great coach for a QB

Didn’t hear that Allar already had his footwork tweaked? Not that he is a finished product. Far from it..

I wouldn’t say Mike is a guru or whisperer. I would say he is smart enough to clean up mechanics and point him in the right direction. The rest is a wait and see…

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Bernard is new he will have some hiccups. Wilson just is having an extension of his problems a year ago. I will tell you if both don’t work themselves onto the field and run the right patterns and plays their playing reps will diminish sooner than later.

Saying that I have confidence in Bernard to correct himself sooner than later.

For me Wilson will continue being a bubble player…

Meh, first day. That's why they call it training camp.

 

[slashsteel]

Meh, first day. That's why they call it training camp.

Sure if it shows itself to not be a trend. Or if the positives far outweigh a negative.

Early out of the gates is just observation until it shows more than that…

 

[Polambertberger]

Didn’t hear that Allar already had his footwork tweaked? Not that he is a finished product. Far from it..

I wouldn’t say Mike is a guru or whisperer. I would say he is smart enough to clean up mechanics and point him in the right direction. The rest is a wait and see…

They are stripping down Drew and changing almost everything. Both Drew and Howard are in McCarthy's QB school. Do some digging on Mike......he really helped Rodgers immensely with his mechanics. The talent was there without doubt, but without Mike, Aaron wouldn't have become what he became. The same methodology that McCarthy teaches, some of the greats are huge proponents of.......including Manning, Brady and Ben

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

AV......sounds like you don't particularly like the guy. Smart experienced QBs should be opinionated. They should speak their mind. They should call out players who mess up. The best receivers are not only the most gifted but the ones running the right route. The best receivers are the ones not dropping balls. The best receivers are the ones making the proper adjustments given the defensive scheme. I think Bernard will be fine. He's a Jesus kid with manners and ethic. He went to frigging Bama. He's versatile. In the event Bernard drops balls, makes the wrong adjustments, runs a bad route then he's not the best to be on the field. He has practice, he has away from practice, he has all the coaches, teammates and help at his disposal. If he wants it bad he will make it happen and Aaron will want him on the field.

I'm sure Aaron will assist Germie in his development but it's not Aaron's job to make him ready. It's on the rookie. If he doesnt contribute meaningfully this year it's on Germie.

I don’t dislike Rodgers and it’s fine for him to be opinionated

Someone in the organization needs to make sure the development of the young players isn’t impeded by his opinion. He’s 42, he will be gone in February, he doesn’t get to dictate to the franchise on all things as if he was 29 on a long term deal.

I agree with everything else you say here

 

[SteelerFan448]

I don’t dislike Rodgers and it’s fine for him to be opinionated

Someone in the organization needs to make sure the development of the young players isn’t impeded by his opinion. He’s 42, he will be gone in February, he doesn’t get to dictate to the franchise on all things as if he was 29 on a long term deal.

I agree with everything else you say here

Even if they're raw, guys like Wilson and Bernard still have potential to contribute more than a guy like MVS. Like, what were we even doing with that move last season?

 

[chucknoll]

Shut up.
Is there such a thing as mouth typing?
You’re doing it.