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Cam, rising or falling………………..HOF ?

Going back to an early comment comparing Cam to Andy Dalton... WHAT?!?!! Dalton is in no way a HOFer. Cam has the numbers, longevity, etc., to make it. If he has another decent year this year, he is a lock. Not a 1st ballot, but he will get in in a few years.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Heyward has consistently been the Steelers best run defender.
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Sure....doesn't mean it is great and/or it hasn't gotten worse as he looks for sacks 1st and the run 2nd. Sacks gets the money. Everyone on here is touting his 92 sacks. You don't think he knows that about sacks?
 
TDX27 said:
Going back to an early comment comparing Cam to Andy Dalton... WHAT?!?!! Dalton is in no way a HOFer. Cam has the numbers, longevity, etc., to make it. If he has another decent year this year, he is a lock. Not a 1st ballot, but he will get in in a few years.
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Agreed. If he can hang on for say 6 to 8 more decent seasons just think where he will be stat wise. And who knows. Maybe he will get that dreaded "playoff win" monkey off of his back.
 
stillwright said:
Sure....doesn't mean it is great and/or it hasn't gotten worse as he looks for sacks 1st and the run 2nd. Sacks gets the money. Everyone on here is touting his 92 sacks. You don't think he knows that about sacks?
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I would say he plays run defense at an elite level and others do as well.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I would say he plays run defense at an elite level and others do as well.
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Meh.....we ranked middle of the pack against the run last season and gave up 4.3 yards a carry. Doesn't sound elite to me.
 
stillwright said:
Meh.....we ranked middle of the pack against the run last season and gave up 4.3 yards a carry. Doesn't sound elite to me.
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I was doing some AI Steeler stuff. .Found some interesting tidbits about Graham's philosophy against the run. One of the reasons Watt had so many TFLs was due to scheme. Tomlin liked brining the edge rushers around the edge to make plays in the backfield against backs. When it worked it worked great. He looked AllPro but how many times was he washed out of the play on a cutback or hitting a gap Watt couldn't be at because he was using the edge? It either looked amazing or brutal. Graham wants to do away with a lot of that and keep the linebackers stacked at the box and in the gaps. He also wants to rotate more and give Cam more rest. Moreover, he wants to minimize using Benton as a NT and allow him to shoot gaps more which plays to his skillet. He's got a quick first step. As we all know his skillet isn't to take on 2 blockers and clog. He also wants to loop and stunt the backers more and use 3 Edge formations shooting gaps and bringing up.the safties to compensate. When you have 2 ELITE cover corners in Dean and Porter, it allows you to move around the backers and the safties.

A great D is supposed to act as a unit with lots of interchangeable roles. As much as Tomlin liked talking about versatility, he never utilized it. Dean does change the game for the D quite a bit. With one true cover guy in Joey it's great but with a weak link in your number 2, you can't use the safties as Chess pieces as much. Dean changes that equation immensely. Barring injury I expect big things from.this D this year. Hopefully it's an enlightening experience seeing how our players are utilized vs how Tomlin utilized them. They have edge depth, corner depth, and safety depth most teams would dream of right now. The D line is more of a concern but it might just be a matter of schematics.

Also, because we have these chess pieces expect more jumping routes and playing aggressively especially on 2nd and 3rd and long situations. I think Ramsey and Brisker could have big years.
 
stillwright said:
Who on here is saying anyone should play for less? I know some throw the term team friendly around at times....but for the most part the Steelers pay their star player the prevailing wage.
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Im just saying sny player will fight for and use his leverage to get full market value or more.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Im just saying sny player will fight for and use his leverage to get full market value or more.
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So the extra incentive that Cam got added to his contract last season made it market value? He was all pro the season before. All it did was make him look like a little *****. Again.
 
stillwright said:
So the extra incentive that Cam got added to his contract last season made it market value? He was all pro the season before. All it did was make him look like a little *****. Again.
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OK DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE BUT APPARENTLY...........

When Cam.had his contract reworked his 2025 contract he got 3.2 million.added to his pay entirely based on incentives. 1.6 million if they made the playoffs and he had 8 sacks. Another 1.6 million of he had 11.5 sacks and they won a playoff game. Now people are annoyed about him asking for more but the contract was worked up in a way that if he outperformed his contract he'd get some.additional bonuses.......is that not a reasonable ask? And to boot he didn't achieve either of those bonuses so in the end he got paid in 2025 what he originally signed for anyway. They didn't just hand him more money and in the end he didn't get any more money. If this is true WTMF has there been so much bitchin about that being reworked? Seems like a lot of overly sensitive women on this board......again that's what I just read
 
Polambertberger said:
OK DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE BUT APPARENTLY...........

When Cam.had his contract reworked his 2025 contract he got 3.2 million.added to his pay entirely based on incentives. 1.6 million if they made the playoffs and he had 8 sacks. Another 1.6 million of he had 11.5 sacks and they won a playoff game. Now people are annoyed about him asking for more but the contract was worked up in a way that if he outperformed his contract he'd get some.additional bonuses.......is that not a reasonable ask? And to boot he didn't achieve either of those bonuses so in the end he got paid in 2025 what he originally signed for anyway. They didn't just hand him more money and in the end he didn't get any more money. If this is true WTMF has there been so much bitchin about that being reworked? Seems like a lot of overly sensitive women on this board......again that's what I just read
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If that was reasonable, then why didn't he ask for that the season before when he signed his new deal? Did he just get smarter? We're the Steelers tricking him with the original new contract?
 
Polambertberger said:
OK DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE BUT APPARENTLY...........

When Cam.had his contract reworked his 2025 contract he got 3.2 million.added to his pay entirely based on incentives. 1.6 million if they made the playoffs and he had 8 sacks. Another 1.6 million of he had 11.5 sacks and they won a playoff game. Now people are annoyed about him asking for more but the contract was worked up in a way that if he outperformed his contract he'd get some.additional bonuses.......is that not a reasonable ask? And to boot he didn't achieve either of those bonuses so in the end he got paid in 2025 what he originally signed for anyway. They didn't just hand him more money and in the end he didn't get any more money. If this is true WTMF has there been so much bitchin about that being reworked? Seems like a lot of overly sensitive women on this board......again that's what I just read
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Meh. You jump into a discussion and then write a short novel that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and then call people names. 🤔
 
stillwright said:
Meh. You jump into a discussion and then write a short novel that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and then call people
stillwright said:
Meh. You jump into a discussion and then write a short novel that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and then call people names.
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My apologies, people.just keep bringing up that he asked for.more money

I've never ever heard anyone discuss the details of the contract and that it was incentive based and that he never got it anyway. Those details do change the perception of his greed does it not?
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
16 of the 25 in front of him played all, or most of, their careers in the 21st century, many of them their careers parallel or significantly overlap Andy Dalton. Dalton isn't even top 10 on stats amongst his contemporaries (and he is likely to be passed by another three of his contemporaries before he retires).

Part of the reason Dalton is so high all time is he plays at a time when the game favours offence, and more games are played per season. The last 15 years average number of passing yards per game has increased by more than 30% from the 1970's, as well as number of regular season games increasing from 14 (prior to the NFL/AFL merger, NFL teams played 12 games per year) to 16 (and then 17). So not really that shocking a quarterback who has been in the NFL the last 15 years is top 25 on total stats.

Incidentally Andy Dalton ranks 14th for quarterback number of games started in the 21st century (he is also ranked top 30 all time for QB starts, although that was a Google AI ranking, so I'm not betting my life on it being correct)..
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Absolutely! Great post brother

One of the many things that cracks me up when stats are used as a primary basis for an argument.

For instance, people claiming Cam’s stat of 5th all time on the interior DL sack list…a stat which wasn’t even a stat for a good part of the history of league, so many dominant early league guys sit at zero sacks. No gonna even get into the “interior DL” grouping 🤣

So yeah, for me the eye test tells it all

Cam is absolutely dominant, a HOF looking beast about 3-5 games a year, a good/solid player about 8-9 games a year, and disappears about a handful of games a year where his impact is zilch.

Is that HOF??? Sure, I guess, if you’re wearing the right colored glasses. He’d definitely need to hit a bench mark number imo considering his playoff disappearances (you know it’s hard to past the eye test when you disappear in every important moment). That doesn’t scream HOF to me…

Solid HOG career so far tho
 
stillwright said:
Agreed. If he can hang on for say 6 to 8 more decent seasons just think where he will be stat wise. And who knows. Maybe he will get that dreaded "playoff win" monkey off of his back.
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Will the Steelers have that franchise QB in the next 6-8 years to drag him to that playoff victory he has not been able to lead his defense to yet?

Damn, I hope so or probably not in the cards for him.

Many claim Cam as the leader of the defense.

How has his defense been showing out in clutch games/moments?
 
Polambertberger said:
My apologies, people.just keep bringing up that he asked for.more money

I've never ever heard anyone discuss the details of the contract and that it was incentive based and that he never got it anyway. Those details do change the perception of his greed does it not?
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He asked for more money but had to settle for the incentives to save face. The Rooney wasn't giving out more $$$dough$$$ to a already signed contract.




Salute the nation
 
Id say I wasn't happy about his contract gripes. Id say its rare to make all pro at his age. But I will never diminish a Steelers play who is clearly a All pro from the HOF he is to comparing him to a journeyman at another position. He also won the most prestigious off field award in the league. Honestly if you focused on accolades alone (which I do not) he is more of a lock then Roethlisberger.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Will the Steelers have that franchise QB in the next 6-8 years to drag him to that playoff victory he has not been able to lead his defense to yet?

Damn, I hope so or probably not in the cards for him.

Many claim Cam as the leader of the defense.

How has his defense been showing out in clutch games/moments?
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At least he is the bestest at blocking passes.....EVER!!!!!!

Cam has been part of a record 6 straight home losses in the playoffs by double digits(or something like that). It is so bad now and embarrassing. Cam simply needs to step up or shut up from here on out for the duration of his career. Cam you can screen shot this .....whatever you need to motivate yourself. If we make the playoffs this year. Pull out ALL of your ******* screen shots....maybe you will make a difference in a playoff game finally. 🤞
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Id say I wasn't happy about his contract gripes. Id say its rare to make all pro at his age. But I will never diminish a Steelers play who is clearly a All pro from the HOF he is to comparing him to a journeyman at another position. He also won the most prestigious off field award in the league. Honestly if you focused on accolades alone (which I do not) he is more of a lock then Roethlisberger.
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Sorry...that has to be the stupidest post I have ever read. Smh
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Mo money, mo money, mo money…

About time he asks for another raise

Lmfao
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And deservingly so......maybe he can drag negotiations until the week before the season starts and get $30 mill in incentives that he won't ever reach this time....but hey.....it will be his market value. So good for him. Get it done Cam!!!!! Get your worth!!!!
 
Some of you take it so frigging personal...... Jesus....so he asked for more money.....so what

That's the thing I never understood about a lot of sports fans who will love a player if they are a nice guy and dump hard on a player if you don't agree with how they handle themselves off the field.........

They aren't your friend
They aren't your husband or wife
You don't know them and aren't going to be hanging out with them
And regardless of how people.like to push it, they are not role models

He's just a professional.athlete nothing less nothing more. Judge your friends, your spouse, your boss, your neighbor.

People.call Cam.a dirt bag, a POS, tell.him to leave town, they degrade his actual.play over what? Cause he wanted more money? Seriously??? Like that's the Cardinal sin? Like he wins Walter Payton Man of the year but he asked for more money so he's a dirt bag. LMAO.....why are you people.so bent out of shape about it?

Care about their performance on the field
 
Polambertberger said:
Some of you take it so frigging personal...... Jesus....so he asked for more money.....so what

That's the thing I never understood about a lot of sports fans who will love a player if they are a nice guy and dump hard on a player if you don't agree with how they handle themselves off the field.........

They aren't your friend
They aren't your husband or wife
You don't know them and aren't going to be hanging out with them
And regardless of how people.like to push it, they are not role models

He's just a professional.athlete nothing less nothing more. Judge your friends, your spouse, your boss, your neighbor.

People.call Cam.a dirt bag, a POS, tell.him to leave town, they degrade his actual.play over what? Cause he wanted more money? Seriously??? Like that's the Cardinal sin? Like he wins Walter Payton Man of the year but he asked for more money so he's a dirt bag. LMAO.....why are you people.so bent out of shape about it?

Care about their performance on the field
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