Iran

[jitter77]

He was correct then, and it's the only solution now. Negotiating with the Islamists is as pointless as having a discussion with Flog.
Problem now is that he doesn't have the support of half the country on this, or any other issue for that matter.

Trump said we need to take their oil. We are not taking their oil and that wasn't the reason for attacking Iran. We also did nothing to prevent Iran from blocking / guarding the straight. We also supposedly obliterated Iran's nuke capabilities less than a year ago so if iran was close to a nuke, we were either lying then or now. Not securing the straight was a major strategical error. Now we are stuck in a stalemate without the element of surprise and no good or easy way outs. Iran still has their uranium, is still launching attacks, and we still don't have control of the oil or the straight.
I don't think anyone will debate that the Iran regime is not evil, but i think it's very debatable how much of a threat they are / were to us. The only true solution is full regime change and physical removal of their uranium. We seem to have 0 plans for that

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Trump said we need to take their oil. We are not taking their oil and that wasn't the reason for attacking Iran. We also did nothing to prevent Iran from blocking / guarding the straight. We also supposedly obliterated Iran's nuke capabilities less than a year ago so if iran was close to a nuke, we were either lying then or now. Not securing the straight was a major strategical error. Now we are stuck in a stalemate without the element of surprise and no good or easy way outs. Iran still has their uranium, is still launching attacks, and we still don't have control of the oil or the straight.
I don't think anyone will debate that the Iran regime is not evil, but i think it's very debatable how much of a threat they are / were to us. The only true solution is full regime change and physical removal of their uranium. We seem to have 0 plans for that

Sorry Jitter, I disagree. Iran under their current Islamic control would literally do anything to destroy the American devil.
They're a patient bunch, 50 years in the making and would not hesitate to deploy a nuclear device on our soil.
There is only one form of reasoning and negotiation that they understand.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Sorry Jitter, I disagree. Iran under their current Islamic control would literally do anything to destroy the American devil.
They're a patient bunch, 50 years in the making and would not hesitate to deploy a nuclear device on our soil.
There is only one form of reasoning and negotiation that they understand.

They understand ruthless brutality well. That's pretty much the entire middle east who are stuck in the 4th century.

Half measures and diplomacy with a government like that is a waste of time. They will lie to you and then go do whatever they want to do anyway. We're not dealing with logical sane people.

Just look at what they do to their own people. Good grief,and they hate us and have been attacking us for decades,if not directly, then through proxy terrorist groups and insurgents.


Those ******* will always be thinking about payback. And they'll get it on down the road.

 

[Confluence]

Trump said we need to take their oil. We are not taking their oil and that wasn't the reason for attacking Iran. We also did nothing to prevent Iran from blocking / guarding the straight. We also supposedly obliterated Iran's nuke capabilities less than a year ago so if iran was close to a nuke, we were either lying then or now. Not securing the straight was a major strategical error. Now we are stuck in a stalemate without the element of surprise and no good or easy way outs. Iran still has their uranium, is still launching attacks, and we still don't have control of the oil or the straight.
I don't think anyone will debate that the Iran regime is not evil, but i think it's very debatable how much of a threat they are / were to us. The only true solution is full regime change and physical removal of their uranium. We seem to have 0 plans for that

You need to read other sources. For $50, I will point them out. Until then, here you go:

Iran's oil powers 2 big things. One of them is not the economy for the Iranian people. The two things are the British navy and China's economy. The US does not need to control the oilfield, but rather the shipping channels. Each boat now traversing, is doing so with US naval blessing. Are the Iranians irritants to the passage thru Hormuz? Yes. But tge ultimate power is US. A year from now, the tolls collected will be allocated by the US, not Iran, or the almost dead British Empire.

The funding to the IRGC, the real power behind the political leadership left in Iran, and the funder of the 31 provincial armies, and Hezbollah, etc. has all been greatly reduced.

Iran's uranium is deeply buried, and when it does come yp from under, it will be traded for food and cash.

Whether he intended it or not, Trump has brought the war in the ME that has been long coming, and he has laid seige and neutered the money and oil flows.

Considering the retarded ends to Desert Storm, the Afghan and Iraqi actions, and all American interdictions since WWII, at least the Panama Canal, Venezuela and Iran force the entire world to conduct virtually all global oil biz via American terms.

In case you are unaware of the huge problems in the EU/UK, and the one coming on your northern border, this positions the US very, very well.

It's almost time to watch the historical balance between western civilization and Islam: Turkiye.

 

[Superman]

FIFY, and Joe Kent would like to know WTF you’re talking about.

Joe Kent doesn't post on this board, and it does seem you follow Republicans more than you do your feeble Democrat party.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Booted]

 

[Troglodyte]

Joe Kent doesn't post on this board, and it does seem you follow Republicans more than you do your feeble Democrat party.

And you ignore Republicans broken campaign promises and failed policies.

 

[Superman]

And you ignore Republicans broken campaign promises and failed policies.

let me see if i can word this in a way that even you can understand.

all politicians - especially those who have made their career in politics - lie, lie and continue to lie. None of them give one rat's *** about you, me, your transgender aunt/uncle or the guy down your street pfucking a goat, nor the mindless troll living under the Danube bridge.

you speak of "failed policies" while brushing off the Dems' FAILED policies. Well, I take that back. The Dems policies are only to tell you what you want to hear, so they can remain in power. And the lifelong Pubbie pols aren't much better.

I've kept my beliefs in line since I first voted - strong border, curb stomp illegal immigration and support this country to continue to be great - while also supporting our military and law enforcement.

You can not say the same.

 

[Steelr4evr]

The people we're trying to negotiate with..lol.

 

[Superman]

before our resident liberal trolls come to defend the IRGC (Trog, Tibs, we know who you are)

https://en.radiofarda.com/a/spectacle-of-justice-how-iran-s-executions-highlight-its-perverse-social-system-/30728563.html

As Sadegh Khalkhali was beginning what would be a long career of executions, he got his hands on Azar, the white horse of Iran’s former Shah. In an act of extreme cruelty, he publicly paraded with the horse, then broke his legs, blinded him, cut off his tongue before shooting him through the head. This total disregard for innocent life would follow him through the rest of his career and cast a shameful shadow over Iran’s new history of turning executions into a public spectacle. .

Sadly, Khalkhali’s cruelty didn’t end with the killing of Azar. In the years that followed, he ordered the death sentences of and executed hundreds of influential and ordinary Iranians, including intellectuals, monarchists, women who were perceived to be immodest, and others seen as threats to the revolution. He was the chief executioner and a “leader” with a generational following that killed thousands of political prisoners in cold blood.

and you pfuckers think that these radical muzzies will assimilate once they cross our border.

 

[jitter77]

I don't think anyone is defending the Iran regime. The issue is we had no real plan and now we are stuck in another drawn out conflict. Regime change was also not the reasoning given by Trump to attack. Totally eliminating the current regime should have been goal #1 then everything else would have fallen into place. The current "peace" proposal which has been imminent for 2 months now seems to give Iran 15-20 billion dollars.

 

[BLITZ]

I don't think anyone is defending the Iran regime. The issue is we had no real plan and now we are stuck in another drawn out conflict. Regime change was also not the reasoning given by Trump to attack. Totally eliminating the current regime should have been goal #1 then everything else would have fallen into place. The current "peace" proposal which has been imminent for 2 months now seems to give Iran 15-20 billion dollars.

Who is to say they don't have a plan?
If Trump is smart, he would not share info like this on a steeler message board or anywhere else

 

[Superman]

I don't think anyone is defending the Iran regime. The issue is we had no real plan and now we are stuck in another drawn out conflict. Regime change was also not the reasoning given by Trump to attack. Totally eliminating the current regime should have been goal #1 then everything else would have fallen into place. The current "peace" proposal which has been imminent for 2 months now seems to give Iran 15-20 billion dollars.

yes, agreed

from now on, every single tactical move should be publicly proclaimed with a vote amongst the populace and Congressional hearings before anything is done. All moves must be precisely worded and laid out so that even the Democrats can betterer understand.

you realize how profoundly ignorant you sound?

 

[jitter77]

yes, agreed

from now on, every single tactical move should be publicly proclaimed with a vote amongst the populace and Congressional hearings before anything is done. All moves must be precisely worded and laid out so that even the Democrats can betterer understand.

you realize how profoundly ignorant you sound?

Obviously we are not going to publicize the plan, but not sure how any one can defend what is going on in Iran. We didn't secure the one major strategic point iran has. They are still able to launch attacks, and Trump himself said we largely left Iran's military alone. Trump keeps flip flopping from destroying the whole country to peace talks. We supposedly set the nuclear program back decades less than a year ago and all the sudden Iran is moments away from a nuclear weapon. All we have accomplished so far is eliminating some leaders who are just replaced by other extremists. History has shown negotiating with these people does not work. They can agree to something and we are going to throw them boatloads of money only to be back in this spot a few years down the road. If the plan was bombing sand, wasting billions maybe trillions of dollars, and creating high gas prices it is working great

 

[Superman]

Obviously we are not going to publicize the plan, but not sure how any one can defend what is going on in Iran. We didn't secure the one major strategic point iran has. They are still able to launch attacks, and Trump himself said we largely left Iran's military alone. Trump keeps flip flopping from destroying the whole country to peace talks. We supposedly set the nuclear program back decades less than a year ago and all the sudden Iran is moments away from a nuclear weapon. All we have accomplished so far is eliminating some leaders who are just replaced by other extremists. History has shown negotiating with these people does not work. They can agree to something and we are going to throw them boatloads of money only to be back in this spot a few years down the road. If the plan was bombing sand, wasting billions maybe trillions of dollars, and creating high gas prices it is working great

the answer is inside the chaos you just described.

yes, they are capable of launching missiles. wow. you mean they have weaponry they hadn't disclosed?

https://theconversation.com/how-far-can-irans-ballistic-missiles-reach-a-defense-expert-explains-how-the-missiles-work-and-what-iran-can-and-cant-hit-279072

Iran fired two ballistic missiles on March 20, 2026, at the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia, which hosts a strategically important joint U.S.-U.K. military base, according to U.S., U.K. and Israeli officials. One missile broke apart during flight, and the other appears to have been destroyed by U.S. missile defenses.

Iran has denied responsibility for the launches.

Diego Garcia is about 2,500 miles (4,000 kilometers) from Iran, which is about twice as far as the top range Iran has declared that its ballistic missiles have. Parts of Western Europe, Asia and Africa lie within a 2,500-mile (4,000-km) radius of Iran, raising concerns about the vulnerability of these areas.

so just by that one account alone - we're also to believe they had no desire to develop nukes, and were also not on the path to nuclear weaponry.

what he said about their military:

“Their Navy is totally gone, 100 percent,” Trump said. “Their Air Force is totally gone, 100 percent. Their military, we’ve sort of left it alone — because we think that their military is somewhat moderate. They have other people that aren’t moderate. We’ve taken them out. We’ve taking different forms of leadership out. We’ve actually left their military alone. People would be surprised to hear that. Because mistakes have been made in wars where you wipe out everybody and then you have a country that for 40 years can never rebuild.”

i'd believe from that statement he's saying we left their personnel alone, to a degree. i'm sure those who were around the missiles, tanks, airplanes, etc bombed were pretty much Allahed. He's obviously said we do not want to kill every person in Iran since we'd then have to help nation build.

It seems to me he's trying his best to suggest Iran is still a strong country, and we're killing off their leadership that will not negotiate, but we do not want some terrorist groups to target the country for a takeover. which I admit is redundant. it IS a mess, overall. The people of Iran want change, despite IRGClodyte's profession that they do not, but they do not deserve to die because some radical religious group took over and has the popluation in a chokehold for decades.

There was an easy way INTO Iran. The hard part is getting OUT without nation building. again.

 

[Troglodyte]

let me see if i can word this in a way that even you can understand.

all politicians - especially those who have made their career in politics - lie, lie and continue to lie. None of them give one rat's *** about you, me, your transgender aunt/uncle or the guy down your street pfucking a goat, nor the mindless troll living under the Danube bridge.

you speak of "failed policies" while brushing off the Dems' FAILED policies. Well, I take that back. The Dems policies are only to tell you what you want to hear, so they can remain in power. And the lifelong Pubbie pols aren't much better.

I've kept my beliefs in line since I first voted - strong border, curb stomp illegal immigration and support this country to continue to be great - while also supporting our military and law enforcement.

You can not say the same.

*****, please! You cannot support the J6 pardons and support law enforcement. You support Trump and can only guess as to what he stands for.

 

[Superman]

*****, please! You cannot support the J6 pardons and support law enforcement. You support Trump and can only guess as to what he stands for.

ok, xe rainbow warrior princess.

you support:

• Putting men in women's restrooms
• Killing live babies - up to and including after birth
• Importing third world savages
• Believing the government (unless Trump is POTUS)
• Allowing politicians to create generational wealth at the expense of the population
• Mandating experimental vaccines on the entire population, regardless of health/fitness
• Recognizing only Islam as a religion
• NAMBLA
• Performing transgender surgery on minors without parental consultation/approval
• Removal of children from their homes if parents do not conform to the child's "pronouns"
• Enforcing the use of pronouns
• Racial discrimination - especially against white people
• Curtailing law enforcement to become only civil observers
• IRGC

... and a host of more bullsh1t that will only erode the country and make even the Somalians leave. You'll respond with some condescending "nice word salad" or "take the L" or some such since you're incapable of having a unique thought or conversing.

go suck start a Glock

 

[Troglodyte]

ok, xe rainbow warrior princess.

you support:

• Putting men in women's restrooms

You support the idea of bathroom guards checking girls genitalia.

• Killing live babies - up to and including after birth

Not a thing. You’re an idiot if you believe it is.

• Importing third world savages

Kilmer Abrego Garcia says hi.

• Believing the government (unless Trump is POTUS)

And you were in favor of draining the swamp until Trump was the swamp. You have no idea what you stand for.

• Allowing politicians to create generational wealth at the expense of the population

Wait, so giving billionaires tax breaks is cool, just don’t allow people to create generational wealth. You have no idea what you stand for.

• Mandating experimental vaccines on the entire population, regardless of health/fitness

They weren’t experimental. You’re an idiot if you believe that.

• Recognizing only Islam as a religion

I recognize them all as being ridiculous.

• NAMBLA

Youre the one that voted for pedophile Trump three times.

• Performing transgender surgery on minors without parental consultation/approval

Not a surgeon, can’t do that. I don’t know of anyone that has had it done, neither do you, but it keeps you up at night.

• Removal of children from their homes if parents do not conform to the child's "pronouns"

Not a thing. You’re an idiot if you believe it is.

• Enforcing the use of pronouns

Not a thing. You’re an idiot if you believe it is.

• Racial discrimination - especially against white people

No, I just don’t buy into your self-victimization, snow flake.

• Curtailing law enforcement to become only civil observers

No, capital police should’ve opened fire. At least they got one.

• IRGC

They don’t exist, they’ve been destroyed, right?

... and a host of more bullsh1t that will only erode the country and make even the Somalians leave. You'll respond with some condescending "nice word salad" or "take the L" or some such since you're incapable of having a unique thought or conversing.

Buying into stupid conspiracy theories isn’t having unique thought. It’s not bothering to think something through.

go suck start a Glock

Your amygdala must be 90% of your brain.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

 

[Hypocycloids]

Not a thing. You’re an idiot if you believe it is.

Uh yeah it is a thing

Virginia Democrats blocked legislation that would require doctors to provide life-saving care to infants who are born alive as a result of botched attempted abortions.

This common-sense bill, known as the Born-Alive Survivors Protection Act, which was sponsored by Del. Nick Freitas and passed by Virginia’s House of Delegates on February 16 by a 52-48 vote, would have required every health care provider licensed by the Board of Medicine who attempts to terminate a pregnancy to do two things. First, they must exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of an infant who has been born alive following such attempt as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would provide to any other child born alive at the same gestational age. Second, they must take all reasonable steps to ensure the immediate transfer of the infant who has been born alive to a hospital for further medial care.

I’m not going through the rest of that mess.
I’ll let Supe respond to the remaining absurd retorts and gross deflections.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I don't think anyone is defending the Iran regime. The issue is we had no real plan and now we are stuck in another drawn out conflict. Regime change was also not the reasoning given by Trump to attack. Totally eliminating the current regime should have been goal #1 then everything else would have fallen into place. The current "peace" proposal which has been imminent for 2 months now seems to give Iran 15-20 billion dollars.

It doesn't have to be a drawn out conflict if politicians don't tie the hands of our military, the reason we haven't won a conflict since WW II.
Don't nation build, don't try to spread democracy, if boots are needed then let them do their job, spill the blood of the evil regime and get the hell out.

 

[Troglodyte]

Uh yeah it is a thing

Virginia Democrats blocked legislation that would require doctors to provide life-saving care to infants who are born alive as a result of botched attempted abortions.

This common-sense bill, known as the Born-Alive Survivors Protection Act, which was sponsored by Del. Nick Freitas and passed by Virginia’s House of Delegates on February 16 by a 52-48 vote, would have required every health care provider licensed by the Board of Medicine who attempts to terminate a pregnancy to do two things. First, they must exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of an infant who has been born alive following such attempt as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would provide to any other child born alive at the same gestational age. Second, they must take all reasonable steps to ensure the immediate transfer of the infant who has been born alive to a hospital for further medial care.

I’m not going through the rest of that mess.
I’ll let Supe respond to the remaining absurd retorts and gross deflections.

Oh, please. That’s not killing live babies. It’s nothing more than a DNR.

 

[jitter77]

It doesn't have to be a drawn out conflict if politicians don't tie the hands of our military, the reason we haven't won a conflict since WW II.
Don't nation build, don't try to spread democracy, if boots are needed then let them do their job, spill the blood of the evil regime and get the hell out.

I agree to an extent, but that is not realistic. Iran is about 2x the size of Texas. We bombed the hell out of Iran and they just shot down a helicopter and launched more missiles and drones. I do not think a ground war would go well for us. I'm sure we would win but at what cost. I don't know how we have spent billions of dollars and have not effectively taken out all drone / missle sites. Surely we can see where they are being launched from. Without nation building we would just end up in the same situation again. I would like to know what everyone's legit plan or resolution to this conflict would be.

 

[Confluence]

The current "peace" proposal which has been imminent for 2 months now seems to give Iran 15-20 billion dollars.

Some might pay a lot, even $50, for the source of this wisdom.