Speak for yourself, guy. Just because you have no damn idea doesn't mean other people don't. Just like when you blame every last thing on the players, you know, because players play. Coaching couldn't possibly have anything to do with anything. So ******* stupid.
Apparently NBC was the only one dumb enough to want Tomlin’s “insight”.
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Yes, it specifically illustrates that there were no adjustments made in the Chargers game. The Steelers got two sacks, injured their starting quarterback, put them in third-and-long situations forcing punts, and that's the simple truth.
Certainly not in Mike Tomlin's case.
I live around a lot of Eagles fans, too. They like to pretend like they know what they're talking about, but they usually don't. I have to laugh, because you remind me of them.
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All I got is a song.
I didn't ignore anything. I already explained to you that a lot of those third quarter points came against some of the shittiest teams in the league. So, SPECIFICALLY, what were those nice adjustments people were talking about? I'll wait.
Didn't say the Patriots weren't cheating. Said they didn't need to cheat to beat the Steelers. You disagree with that statement?
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They make adjustments in every single game. They don't always work, obviously as the other team also adjusts. You don't have a coaching career and win as many games after losing a Hall of Fame QB without being able to make adjustments. A few of note for you, 2020 losing to the Baltimore down 17-7 they shifted strategy and mostly shut them down coming from behind for a 28-24 win. It wasn't one specific change but an overall shift in defensive and offensive play calls. Same Against the Rams and Aaron Donald a few years ago where we shifted blocking strategies at half and came back to win that game after Donald abused us early. Hell pulling Trubisky and inserting Pickett at halftime almost wining that game was a nice adjustment. Most adjustments are subtle and can simply be changed blocking assignments or a shift of personnel on the defensive line. Frequently at half time over the last few years, we saw different combos on the d-line to adjust for what was being thrown at us. It is completely ignorant and disingenuous to think you can win games for 19 years as regularly as he did and not be making those adjustments. Most of which the average fan would never even notice aside from winning the game.
Even against the Bills in the playoffs, we made a better game of it after a terrible first quarter. If we hadn't adjusted multiple things, particularly on offense it would have been far worse. We lost so you don't think about the changes made but we were down 14 then played them even the rest of the way. It wasn't enough but the scheme did change.
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Yep. He went full retard, early.
You say I said that. I never said coaching was not important. I have consistently stated that players are more important. Everybody knows this. If they don't admit it, their actions prove it. Over 800,000 people came to the NFL draft in Pittsburgh to watch their teams pick players. Could you get a couple of hundred people to a press conference announcing a new coach in any NFL city?
Who cares... it's off season...
Top, I'm not doing that but I respect your stand.
Want me to order you a three pack??? They're really comfy and support your package so you can articulate to others on all levels...
obviously.
Again, "they shifted strategy" isn't specific. I can give you credit for the way they handled Donald -- I do remember that. That's one. Trubisky had struggled for weeks prior to getting pulled, so was that some type of master move after he threw two interceptions in the first half? Clearly the argument can be made that Mitch shouldn't have started that game in the first place.
There's always player rotation, especially on the defensive line. It's a common occurrence to rest and rotate those guys, and it rarely indicates some type of detailed adjustment.
You seem to want to attribute every good or even decent second half performance to some sort of adjustment by Tomlin. It's just not the case. The truth of the matter is that Buffalo (like nearly every other playoff opponent in the last ten years has done) stomped the Steelers out of the gate, and they coasted to an easy victory. It is completely ignorant and disingenuous to assume that because the Steelers were so ill-prepared to start with, it was some type of grand "scheme change" which allowed them to play to a tie in the second half, and still lose by 14.
There it is...the @diver special. The adoption of a generalization that there is no argument against. Way to not let me down. Yes, we all know that the players are more important. Thanks for clearing that up again.
Another @diver classic comparison that has no relevance and makes little to zero sense. You're on a roll, homie!
They made a good rock version of a great song.. But the original is better.
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I like this one ten times better,but to each his own.
Now his song Night Moves,nothing will beat that original for me.
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I remember Watt crashing down on Henry on every snap and Jackson kept holding onto the ball. When Watt was asked about that he said it was what I was told to do. I believe Harrison was on the sideline that game and at some point blew up on the coaches about making adjustments or lack of. I rhink this was a playoff game. Of course my memory could be off on some of these details.
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If I charted the games the way I did when coaching and scouting,
I could give you all kinds of details, but I don't. Just the fact I used to do so helps with catching the change in flows and protections. Anyone who says Tomlin never made adjustments is simply letting their feelings get in the way of facts. We can argue over the quality of those adjustments for sure, but not the fact he made them, or had his coaches make them. Obviously, they didn't always work and sometimes even backfired. I do think he was arrogant sometimes in games against inferior teams late in his career particularly and didn't make drastic enough changes but then against some very good teams he would make very good adjustments. I am not holding him up on a pedestal for his adjustments by any means I am simply saying he did make them. To say he was an NFL coach for 19 years and didn't make adjustments, good or bad, is ludicrous.
**** I will go as far as saying there were plenty of times, I would have made different adjustments than he did, particularly on offense, but sadly I am not the coach.
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He raised to the competition but also lowered to bad teams , really frustrating
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Dick LeBeau was a master at making adjustments so much so that he dictated what opposition could do offensively.
Not many around now, or for awhile that could do that kind of adjusting on the fly.
I don’t classify Dick L.‘s defense as a Tomlin defense.
Unfortunately the Tomlin defense made adjustments late and reactionary instead of the Pro-Action needed.
Sticking to game-plans to long, relying on a simplified system of no change way to often.
Predictable and no creativity ultimately was the doom and gloom many remember, justifiably so.
Salute the nation
Not many around now, or for awhile that could do that kind of adjusting on the fly.
I don’t classify Dick L.‘s defense as a Tomlin defense.
Unfortunately the Tomlin defense made adjustments late and reactionary instead of the Pro-Action needed.
Sticking to game-plans to long, relying on a simplified system of no change way to often.
Predictable and no creativity ultimately was the doom and gloom many remember, justifiably so.
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Yep, that was the 2024 1st round embarrassment against the Ravens, where the defense gave up about 200 rushing yards and 21 points ... IN THE FIRST HALF.
I'm sure that if we scoured over every single play of every single game throughout 19 years, we could find attempts to adjust at some level here or there. But I'd think you'd find many more examples such as the one @stillwright mentioned above with Watt and the Ravens.
For me the bottom line comes straight from the horse's mouth: "We Do What We Do" was the mantra that Tomlin lived by. "We don't care about the nameless gray faces we're playing" is the most narrow-minded and shallow statement I've ever heard from a football coach at any level. It is astonishing to me that a head coach of an NFL franchise would adopt that philosophy, and manage to last as long as MT did.
His stretch of non-losing seasons really is quite an accomplishment -- unfortunately, it has mired the franchise in mediocrity for the last decade-plus. I think 99% of Steelers fans are ready for the fresh start, and the good news is that it's already upon us.
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I am ready for a fresh start, I just don't have the animosity towards him some have. He had his flaws, but I think emotion gets the better of people when truly evaluating his good and bad, but that's the case with many things in the world today. Too much emotion and not enough rational discussion.
That particular game I certainly agree with you about having Watt crash down. While think he made good adjustments many times there were cases where he would seem to get particularly stubborn. That game reminded me of Tin Cup, hitting the ball into the water over and over.
if im the o or d coordinator im coming with 2 game plans,, , Switch it if one isnt working..
Contingencies,, if we do this, and they adjust to this,, we come back with this.
Contingencies,, if we do this, and they adjust to this,, we come back with this.
Great coaches just don't lose 7 straight playoff games in embarrassing fashion.
2 games always stick out in my mind with Tomlin. I can't remember the exact season, don't feel like looking it up, it was 2013 or 14 at Baltimore, both offenses struggling to do anything, 7-7 second half, Baltimore finally got going, we didn't go hurry up/no huddle until a little into the 4th down 2 TD's, Ben threw for 200 yards and 2 TD's in the 4th, but it was to late. When asked after the game about the conservative offense until late, Ben said I was hoping to open things up earlier. Tomlin when asked, said he was content keeping conservative and exchanging punts because both offenses were struggling. The ultimate play not to lose.
Then at Buffalo, 2020 I believe, close game at halftime, we were trailing, Tomlin when asked by the reporter what they have to do, he said they just need to execute better, when McDermott was asked the same thing, he said they have alot of adjustments to make, then came out in the 2nd half and killed us with Diggs, double digit catches and like 140 yards after we shut him down in the 1st half.
2 games always stick out in my mind with Tomlin. I can't remember the exact season, don't feel like looking it up, it was 2013 or 14 at Baltimore, both offenses struggling to do anything, 7-7 second half, Baltimore finally got going, we didn't go hurry up/no huddle until a little into the 4th down 2 TD's, Ben threw for 200 yards and 2 TD's in the 4th, but it was to late. When asked after the game about the conservative offense until late, Ben said I was hoping to open things up earlier. Tomlin when asked, said he was content keeping conservative and exchanging punts because both offenses were struggling. The ultimate play not to lose.
Then at Buffalo, 2020 I believe, close game at halftime, we were trailing, Tomlin when asked by the reporter what they have to do, he said they just need to execute better, when McDermott was asked the same thing, he said they have alot of adjustments to make, then came out in the 2nd half and killed us with Diggs, double digit catches and like 140 yards after we shut him down in the 1st half.
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I get that maybe Tomlin was giving a pablum answer when he said, "We just need to play better" and perhaps he was simply refusing to give any details that might reach the other sideline, but still ... how are you going to get the team to "play better," Mike?
If that exhortation alone is your approach, then a Tomlin doll with a pull-cord prompting the recorded message, "Play better, Steelers" could do the job for a hell of a lot less money.
If that exhortation alone is your approach, then a Tomlin doll with a pull-cord prompting the recorded message, "Play better, Steelers" could do the job for a hell of a lot less money.
Yeah...but Tomlin must have made great halftime adjustments -- they outscored Baltimore 14-7 in the third quarter and played them 0-0 in the fourth!
