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Covid Vaccine

Badcat said:
Then explain why two different countries with similar policies had very different outcomes.

The U.S. had about 3,618 deaths per million
Canada had about 710 per million

The U.K. had about 3,404 deaths per million
Netherlands had about 1,100 per million.

The above data was provided by AI which referenced Wikipedia

If your argument is that masks, mandates and restrictions worked then why wasn't it consistent in all countries. Answer: Because there are many variables which determined whether these measures were deemed more successful than others. Why would a country like Singapore issue relatively light restrictions compared with many Western countries and yet have a mortality rate of 358 deaths per million? So, less restrictions with less deaths means what? Variables.

You simply cannot say "they worked" as it is way too complex of an issue with many, many variables in play to make such a deterministic statement when in fact, it's more Stochastic. One could write a dissertation on the impact of the United States' use of ventilators on the overall mortality rate and that's just one variable.

Crawl out of your cave Troglodyte, open your mind, allow your smooth brain to breathe and develop some matter.
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"No"
/Flogretes
 
Badcat said:
Then explain why two different countries with similar policies had very different outcomes.

The U.S. had about 3,618 deaths per million
Canada had about 710 per million

The U.K. had about 3,404 deaths per million
Netherlands had about 1,100 per million.

The above data was provided by AI which referenced Wikipedia

If your argument is that masks, mandates and restrictions worked then why wasn't it consistent in all countries. Answer: Because there are many variables which determined whether these measures were deemed more successful than others. Why would a country like Singapore issue relatively light restrictions compared with many Western countries and yet have a mortality rate of 358 deaths per million? So, less restrictions with less deaths means what? Variables.

You simply cannot say "they worked" as it is way too complex of an issue with many, many variables in play to make such a deterministic statement when in fact, it's more Stochastic. One could write a dissertation on the impact of the United States' use of ventilators on the overall mortality rate and that's just one variable.

Crawl out of your cave Troglodyte, open your mind, allow your smooth brain to breathe and develop some matter.
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One of the main issues the US had as a whole is comorbidities. Our nation is chock full of obese, unhealthy people. Most everyone is on a pill of some kind. The food we eat is filled with poison. I’m surprised more people didn’t die. Also, putting people on ventilators at the beginning turned out to be nearly an automatic death sentence. If COVID didn’t convince people to live at least somewhat healthier then nothing will.
 
Sarge said:
One of the main issues the US had as a whole is comorbidities. Our nation is chock full of obese, unhealthy people. Most everyone is on a pill of some kind. The food we eat is filled with poison. I’m surprised more people didn’t die. Also, putting people on ventilators at the beginning turned out to be nearly an automatic death sentence. If COVID didn’t convince people to live at least somewhat healthier then nothing will.
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when you have to tell people to wash their gdamn hands...
 
Troglodyte said:
It really shouldn’t take a doctor to help you figure out that you don’t quarantine people to keep them from eating rat ****.
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yet here we are. are your approved doctors going to recommend we mask now? or soon?
 
Troglodyte said:
It’s pretty straightforward. If a lack of compliance and enforcement is why the U.S. did worse in controlling Covid vs countries with better compliance and enforcement, that suggests that masks, mandates and restrictions worked.
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The US was worse off than almost all other countries, including those without any restrictions or any shots.

When you add in spending, in which America led, it is clear that most of the funds were not for the benefit of American's health.

You know the masks and the mandates were bulllshit, and that the shots did little to lessen deaths, or there would have been huge death rates in the poorest of countries when health and nutrition regularly contribute to high deaths from flu.
 
Troglodyte said:
😂 So the **** what??? I’m sure you can find people that used witchcraft to treat Covid. That doesn’t mean it worked! It’s not an approved treatment. Google it.
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I never even mentioned Covid. You said viruses. It is used and approved for use against viruses in quite a few countries and has been proven as an effective treatment for some. I gave you proof of the science and you poop pooped it because it doesn’t fit your religion.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, like the flu, it will mutate and randomly become more or less severe from year to year. People still die from Covid.

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People still die from drowning, car accidents, suicide, accidents, heart disease, etc.
Father time is undefeated.
Everyone goes sometime from something.
But even lumping in COVID with ALL other respiratory infections, including the flu and pneumonia, ALL respiratory infections collectively only account for about 5.6% of deaths per year.
Bigger fish to for something that has to be lumped in with other conditions to even get above 5%.
And as revealed by EVERYONE now, getting whichever COVID vaccine you'd like, does not prevent infection nor prevent the ability spread of the virus.
So MAYBE newborn babies and people over 75 should talk to their physician about getting a COVID vaccine, or those with cormorbidities.
But everyone else ages 1 - 74 in relatively good/normal health...........probably good.

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SteelerInLebanon said:
I never even mentioned Covid. You said viruses. It is used and approved for use against viruses in quite a few countries and has been proven as an effective treatment for some. I gave you proof of the science and you poop pooped it because it doesn’t fit your religion.
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No. I poo-pooed it because the FDA, EMU and WHO do not approve or authorize it and two of the countries (India and Peru) that allowed it during vaccine shortages have since stopped recommending it.
 
Confluence said:
The US was worse off than almost all other countries, including those without any restrictions or any shots.

When you add in spending, in which America led, it is clear that most of the funds were not for the benefit of American's health.

You know the masks and the mandates were bulllshit, and that the shots did little to lessen deaths, or there would have been huge death rates in the poorest of countries when health and nutrition regularly contribute to high deaths from flu.
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Sigh. No.

 
fedderone said:
People still die from drowning, car accidents, suicide, accidents, heart disease, etc.
Father time is undefeated.
Everyone goes sometime from something.
But even lumping in COVID with ALL other respiratory infections, including the flu and pneumonia, ALL respiratory infections collectively only account for about 5.6% of deaths per year.
Bigger fish to for something that has to be lumped in with other conditions to even get above 5%.
And as revealed by EVERYONE now, getting whichever COVID vaccine you'd like, does not prevent infection nor prevent the ability spread of the virus.
So MAYBE newborn babies and people over 75 should talk to their physician about getting a COVID vaccine, or those with cormorbidities.
But everyone else ages 1 - 74 in relatively good/normal health...........probably good.

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😂 The vaccines have a defined purpose. Deaths from other causes is completely irrelevant..
 
Troglodyte said:
Sigh. No.

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Country Cumulative Deaths Population (May 2026) Death Rate (Per Million) Est. Response Spending Spent Per Capita

United States~1,235,885~348,847,400~3,542~$4.6 Trillion~$13,186
Bolivia~22,389~12,723,369~1,759~$1.2 Billion*~$94
Iran~146,837~93,168,497~1,576~$19+ Billion~$204

US had more than double the deaths per capita of shitholes like Iran and Bolivia, while spending over $13k per American abetting pFucking pFizer pFraud.

The Bolivians spent only gifted funds of about $94 per citizen, while those crazy Muzzies in Iran, famous for quickly executing those that upset them, doubled that spending to just over $200 per oppressed citizen.

So take your Google link and shove it up your arsenal.
 
Troglodyte said:
No. I poo-pooed it because the FDA, EMU and WHO do not approve or authorize it and two of the countries (India and Peru) that allowed it during vaccine shortages have since stopped recommending it.
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FlogDaAsshat and his EMU monitoring the vid be like

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and wtf does Roger Daltrey's opinion on the vid matter? well, let me help you.


Roger Daltrey said he refused to lock himself indoors during the coronavirus pandemic, even though he's at high risk because of his age.

The 76-year-old Who singer is among an age group told not to leave home for any reason, with restrictions remaining in place despite the raising of other rules in England. However, the measures have come with the stipulation that people should use their "common sense." Because he lives in a rural environment, Daltrey said he feels comfortable leaving his home.

“I live in the countryside, so it's a lot easier,” he told the Express. “I cannot imagine what it must be like stuck in London in a flat with a couple of kids. ... I’m not moaning about anything, but, equally as a 76-year-old, I'm not going to be told by anybody to stay in. Go **** yourselves. We can't wrap ourselves in cotton wool.”
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Troglodyte said:
No. I poo-pooed it because the FDA, EMU and WHO do not approve or authorize it and two of the countries (India and Peru) that allowed it during vaccine shortages have since stopped recommending it.
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And you are still ignoring what I posted that directly and completely contradicts your statement that it isn’t effective as an antiviral. I have given you direct scientific proof that it does in fact functions as an antiviral-viral and even the mechanisms behind that effectiveness. I never specified Covid and was directly arguing your general statement of it’s effectiveness as an anti-viral in general.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
And you are still ignoring what I posted that directly and completely contradicts your statement that it isn’t effective as an antiviral. I have given you direct scientific proof that it does in fact functions as an antiviral-viral and even the mechanisms behind that effectiveness. I never specified Covid and was directly arguing your general statement of it’s effectiveness as an anti-viral in general.
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you might want to take it up with the emu. it's higher in intelligence.
 
Troglodyte said:
It really shouldn’t take a doctor to help you figure out that you don’t quarantine people to keep them from eating rat ****.
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Isn't it really about keeping people away from those that did eat rat **** and decide to go on vacation to say...Florida?
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
And you are still ignoring what I posted that directly and completely contradicts your statement that it isn’t effective as an antiviral. I have given you direct scientific proof that it does in fact functions as an antiviral-viral and even the mechanisms behind that effectiveness. I never specified Covid and was directly arguing your general statement of it’s effectiveness as an anti-viral in general.
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Have you ever wondered why we have anger management, but not stupidity management? It allows people to be stupid while restricting others from becoming angry over said stupidity, which is why people get upset in the first place.

Ignore stupid.
 
Sarge said:
As far as ivermectin, it saved my sister in law’s life. It was given to her as a last resort. She was in a bad way man. It worked. She’s alive because of it.
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Just because this is an off-label use, doesn't mean it may not be effective in some instances.

Examples are numerous.

Colchicine is approved for gout flareups, but is also a first line treatment of acute pericarditis.
Propranolol is a beta-blocker for hypertension, but can also be used for migraine prevention and preventing stage freight.
Modafinil is approved for sleep disorders, but also has shown benefits is treating depresssion.
Diphenhydramine, sure it's an antihistamine, and also good for nausea, anxiety, and insomnia.

And the there's Oh, Oh, Oh Ozempic!

Point being that there are multiple examples of drugs being used for off-label conditions more than why they reached the market in the first place.

In this case, your sister in law.
 
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