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Dulac reports Art growing impatient and frustrated

Maybe I’m wrong on this, but the Steelers may be the only organization that hasn’t fired a head coach.
And the two previous coaches with the Steelers were long tenured and eventually retired/mutually parted ways with Steelers.
I think Ron’s pointing out the obvious that if the Steelers, who have NEVER fired a head coach and were the genesis for The Rooney Rule, were to fire Tomlin, it would be the worst “look” possible from a PR standpoint. It probably would result in shouts of racism. Not from ALL people, but enough that it would be an issue.
Not trying to speak for Ron, or nose my way into this conversation. Just pointing out what we know from history with Steelers.

Pre Chuck Noll (1969) they fired many head coaches, but not one during most of our lifetimes. So it’s reasonable to say that the Steelers don’t fire head coaches.

I think it would be insane for anyone to suggest it’s a bad look should Rooney to fire Tomlin because of Rooney Rule. They’d be ridiculed.
Agree it would be a bad look if Tomlin was hired 2 years ago.
He’s been there 18 years for crying out loud.

The statute of limitations for being “a bad look” ran out years ago.
 
Everyone outside of Pittsburgh does not think “that Mike is a damn good coach” as you state…some do, they are dumbasses, many don’t because they did not blink. Good lawd that’s a helluva stretch thinking his constant mediocrity is measured that well by “everyone”. Even the talking heads are turning on him…even his boot licker Ryan Clark is starting to see it.

“Dealt a band hand” lmfao
You GOTTA be kidding right???
I sure hope that is sarcasm cuz he built that hand he was dealt if we’re talking about the current Steelers.

In the past, the dumbass got dealt 3 Aces and 2 Kings in a game of 5 card draw and thought “hell I got an ace, lemme draw 4!”

Dealt a bad hand!!! He found a way to slide through having a future HOF QB, generational
RB, top WR in the league, Heath and a solid D and still not win a hand. Effing “dealt a bad hand” that dude just can’t play a hand

By belief is this is one of the most off based posts I’ll read in weeks, and that’s all there is to it.

It’s all about that $$$$
He’s a lawyer to the core
If he cares about Lombardis Mike wouldn’t be here

He either doesn’t care about championships valuing the $$$ as “winning” or he is a blubbering moron…guessing since he’s a lawyer it’s the former
What solid D are you referring to?...aside from that apparently theres this growing misperception that the Killer Bs were around for a decade together the way you guys talk. Let's nip this in the bud once and for all.

THE KILLER B's played three (3) seasons together. NOT A DECADE or longer as you give the impression that he had all these guys together for some elongated period of time. Its flat out misleading. Only one of those seasons did they all play in the same playoff game together! Stop putting out this false narrative like these guys were together for a long time like the 70s teams.

So yeah, you can say he was a dealt a bad hand in that he had access to the Killer Bs for three seasons only one of which he had them all fully healthy and since the of 2019 season hes dealt with less than stellar QB play basically because hes not had a franchise QB. If you want to say its his fault for not having a plan in place to replace Ben and they should have drafted Lamar fair enough, but thats still more on the GM imo then Tomlin.
 
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What solid D are you referring to?...aside from that apparently theres this growing misperception that the Killer Bs were around for a decade together the way you guys talk. Let's nip this in the bud once and for all.

THE KILLER B's played three (3) seasons together. NOT A DECADE or longer as you give the impression that he had all these guys together for some elongated period of time. Its flat out misleading. Only one of those seasons did they all play in the same playoff game together! Stop putting out this false narrative like these guys were together for a longer time like the 70s teams.

Ben Roethlisberger: 2004-2021
Antonio Brown: 2010-2018
Le’Veon Bell: 2013-2017

By my count, that’s 5 years.
 
Ben Roethlisberger: 2004-2021
Antonio Brown: 2010-2018
Le’Veon Bell: 2013-2017

By my count, that’s 5 years.
Fair enough 2013 was their first season together and Leveon Bell was out all but 6 games for 2015. At the end of the day they made the playoffs 3 of the 5 and still only had 1 playoff game where they were all present together.
 
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Everyone outside of Pittsburgh does not think “that Mike is a damn good coach” as you state…some do, they are dumbasses, many don’t because they did not blink. Good lawd that’s a helluva stretch thinking his constant mediocrity is measured that well by “everyone”. Even the talking heads are turning on him…even his boot licker Ryan Clark is starting to see it.

“Dealt a band hand” lmfao
You GOTTA be kidding right???
I sure hope that is sarcasm cuz he built that hand he was dealt if we’re talking about the current Steelers.

In the past, the dumbass got dealt 3 Aces and 2 Kings in a game of 5 card draw and thought “hell I got an ace, lemme draw 4!”

Dealt a bad hand!!! He found a way to slide through having a future HOF QB, generational
RB, top WR in the league, Heath and a solid D and still not win a hand. Effing “dealt a bad hand” that dude just can’t play a hand

By belief is this is one of the most off based posts I’ll read in weeks, and that’s all there is to it.

It’s all about that $$$$
He’s a lawyer to the core
If he cares about Lombardis Mike wouldn’t be here

He either doesn’t care about championships valuing the $$$ as “winning” or he is a blubbering moron…guessing since he’s a lawyer it’s the former

Mike Tomlin has a strong case for being inducted into the HOF.
That should be enough, but I’ll continue.
You don’t believe Tomlin would get snatched up by another team the minute he got fired?…or would he just fall by the wayside like a lot of fired head coaches?
I live near Cleveland and boy do they wish they had Tomlin. Ravens and Bengals fans alike when I had happen to read their message boards.

I will agree that as time goes on more outsiders are coming to the realization that Mike may not what he has been cracked up to be, citing his dismal playoff record.

But where do you suppose much of “no losing seasons” comes from these days?
It used to come from we fans, but the majority of us are now sick of hearing it….yet “no losing seasons” continues to be spouted by the sports talking heads every time Tomlin is mentioned…and by non-Steeler fans as well.
We ridicule “no losing seasons”, while outsiders view that as an amazing achievement.

The “given a bad hand” thing was not my opinion.
I was looking at it possibly being from Rooneys perspective in his reluctance to fire Tomlin.

Coincidentally Tomlins name had come up at the gym I was working out at yesterday.
A Browns fan who happened to notice my Steeler keychain said …”Tomlin drafts players in the middle of the pack every year and turns out a winning team.,, we draft in the top three every year and can’t do shyt with it.”
I did go on to say that most Steelers fans are tired of “no losing seasons” and want him fired, to which he was a little surprised.

He conceded saying that it’s better the Steelers remain in “just above average purgatory” every year than seeing them win Super Bowls.
 
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I think Art is petrified of having to go through the process of interviewing and hiring the right coach again.
The morning host on 93.7 The Fan was saying the same thing yesterday.

But where do you suppose much of “no losing seasons” comes from these days?
It comes from having the Browns and Bengals in our division.
Tell that to your bud at the gym. :D

We ridicule “no losing seasons”, while outsiders view that as an amazing achievement.
See, that's where there is obviously a disconnect. How does a coach who's never had a losing season in 18 years suck at playoff time?

The statute of limitations for being “a bad look” ran out years ago.
Not when the NFL's rule is named after your family.
 
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At least we know where you stand goofy and perhaps since day one. Im black by the way ...

Wow, knock me over with a feather.

and would totally understand if the Steelers were to let Tomlin walk especially if he has a losing season. He perhaps needs a change of scenery although i would hope he would just retire or be promoted to a front office job.

You hope Tomlin is promoted to a front office job? Why, because of his brilliant roster construction? His genius in acquiring over-the-hill vets who either fail or spend the season on IR? His amazing playoff successes? His history of player development, like with ... and ... uhh, how about ... then what about ...

I do believe hes a good coach, but if his philosophy isnt going to change about the way he goes about doing things and he refuses to endorse the hiring of a motivated, fresh defensive mind who is well able to coordinate this defense on his own then he needs to be gone.

Leopard, spots.

That being said im really tired of bigots like you constantly referring to Tomlins longevity as being falsely attributed to him being a "Rooney Rule" or "DEI" hire. You couldn't come off being more ignorant and biased.

Not true at all. Give Ron a chance - he can come up with something vastly more ignorant or biased.

Oh, and by the way Race Police, Tomlin was a defensive back coach for Tampa for four seasons and defensive coordinator for the Vikings for one season when hired by the Steelers as head coach. His defense in Minnesota was average. Good against the run, very bad against the pass. Nothing special.

And nothing that would vault him to the front of the line for a head coaching position in the NFL.

It wasnt a problem when two white coaches leaked into double digit years despite enduring periods of struggle especially in the latter part of their careers, but its a problem now.

So let's compare Noll and Cowher with Tomlin, shall we?

Noll took over a franchise that had exactly zero playoff wins and a grand total of one post-season appearance in 36 years. He built that franchise to become the best in the NFL. His last SB win was 1979 (actually 1980), and his last playoff win was 1989 on the road against a good Houston team. The Oilers had Warren Moon at QB, the Steelers had Bubby Brister His 1989 team then had a 4th quarter lead on the road against Denver before losing, 24-23. The Steelers had Bubby Brister at QB, the Broncos John Elway. A Chuck Noll team goes on the road against two HOF QB's and wins or takes the game down to the last minute. How's that compare to Mediocre Mike?

The 1990 Steelers went 9-7, the 1991 Steelers went 7-9 and Chuck Noll - winner of FOUR SB's - was gone.

Bill Cowher takes over in 1992 and makes the playoffs his FIRST SIX SEASONS IN A ROW, with five conference titles. He goes to 2 AFC Championship games and 1 SB. He wins playoff games with Neil O'Donnell and Mike Tomczak at QB. His 1998-2003 teams go a combined 51-44-1 with playoff wins in the 2001 and 2002 seasons with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox at QB.

He drafts Ben in 2004 and goes 34-14 in the regular season and 5-1 in the playoffs, with 2 AFC Championship game appearances and a SB title. Ben smashes his face into a windshield after the 2005 championship season and the Steelers finish the year 8-8 and out of the playoffs for just the 2nd time in Cowher's last 7 seasons. Oh, and during those barren years, the Steelers went 7-3 in the playoffs. Remember, Mediocre Mike has 8 career playoff wins and 3 his last ten years.

Is that the "periods of struggle" you are referring to?

The two white coaches were here a long time because the organization valued loyalty, stability, and family/team culture.

No, they were around due to success. I had to remind you of their success with terrible QB's for the most part and show that even brief dry spells led to them leaving. Nice try, though.

And I get you weren't here in 1998-2000 but you can take to the bank the fact that Steelers fans were demanding that Cowher be replaced due to ... lack of success. Race played no role.

Tomlin is around because he is a "Rooney Rule" or "DEI" hire. You dont see a problem with saying stuff like that?? Its the irony of claiming black people would scream "rayciss" all while spewing racist rhetoric throughout your own take.

The only racist comments are yours. Now go back to giving Tomlin a tongue bath.
 
Wow, knock me over with a feather.



You hope Tomlin is promoted to a front office job? Why, because of his brilliant roster construction? His genius in acquiring over-the-hill vets who either fail or spend the season on IR? His amazing playoff successes? His history of player development, like with ... and ... uhh, how about ... then what about ...



Leopard, spots.



Not true at all. Give Ron a chance - he can come up with something vastly more ignorant or biased.

Oh, and by the way Race Police, Tomlin was a defensive back coach for Tampa for four seasons and defensive coordinator for the Vikings for one season when hired by the Steelers as head coach. His defense in Minnesota was average. Good against the run, very bad against the pass. Nothing special.

And nothing that would vault him to the front of the line for a head coaching position in the NFL.



So let's compare Noll and Cowher with Tomlin, shall we?

Noll took over a franchise that had exactly zero playoff wins and a grand total of one post-season appearance in 36 years. He built that franchise to become the best in the NFL. His last SB win was 1979 (actually 1980), and his last playoff win was 1989 on the road against a good Houston team. The Oilers had Warren Moon at QB, the Steelers had Bubby Brister His 1989 team then had a 4th quarter lead on the road against Denver before losing, 24-23. The Steelers had Bubby Brister at QB, the Broncos John Elway. A Chuck Noll team goes on the road against two HOF QB's and wins or takes the game down to the last minute. How's that compare to Mediocre Mike?

The 1990 Steelers went 9-7, the 1991 Steelers went 7-9 and Chuck Noll - winner of FOUR SB's - was gone.

Bill Cowher takes over in 1992 and makes the playoffs his FIRST SIX SEASONS IN A ROW, with five conference titles. He goes to 2 AFC Championship games and 1 SB. He wins playoff games with Neil O'Donnell and Mike Tomczak at QB. His 1998-2003 teams go a combined 51-44-1 with playoff wins in the 2001 and 2002 seasons with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox at QB.

He drafts Ben in 2004 and goes 34-14 in the regular season and 5-1 in the playoffs, with 2 AFC Championship game appearances and a SB title. Ben smashes his face into a windshield after the 2005 championship season and the Steelers finish the year 8-8 and out of the playoffs for just the 2nd time in Cowher's last 7 seasons. Oh, and during those barren years, the Steelers went 7-3 in the playoffs. Remember, Mediocre Mike has 8 career playoff wins and 3 his last ten years.

Is that the "periods of struggle" you are referring to?



No, they were around due to success. I had to remind you of their success with terrible QB's for the most part and show that even brief dry spells led to them leaving. Nice try, though.

And I get you weren't here in 1998-2000 but you can take to the bank the fact that Steelers fans were demanding that Cowher be replaced due to ... lack of success. Race played no role.



The only racist comments are yours. Now go back to giving Tomlin a tongue bath.
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Mike Tomlin has a strong case for being inducted into the HOF.
That should be enough, but I’ll continue.
You don’t believe Tomlin would get snatched up by another team the minute he got fired?…or would he just fall by the wayside like a lot of fired head coaches?
I live near Cleveland and boy do they wish they had Tomlin. Ravens and Bengals fans alike when I had happen to read their message boards.

I will agree that as time goes on more outsiders are coming to the realization that Mike may not what he has been cracked up to be, citing his dismal playoff record.

But where do you suppose much of “no losing seasons” comes from these days?
It used to come from we fans, but the majority of us are now sick of hearing it….yet “no losing seasons” continues to be spouted by the sports talking heads every time Tomlin is mentioned…and by non-Steeler fans as well.
We ridicule “no losing seasons”, while outsiders view that as an amazing achievement.

The “given a bad hand” thing was not my opinion.
I was looking at it possibly being from Rooneys perspective in his reluctance to fire Tomlin.

Coincidentally Tomlins name had come up at the gym I was working out at yesterday.
A Browns fan who happened to notice my Steeler keychain said …”Tomlin drafts players in the middle of the pack every year and turns out a winning team.,, we draft in the top three every year and can’t do shyt with it.”
I did go on to say that most Steelers fans are tired of “no losing seasons” and want him fired, to which he was a little surprised.

He conceded saying that it’s better the Steelers remain in “just above average purgatory” every year than seeing them win Super Bowls.

#1) Don’t believe he’ll be fired-Rooney is too frightened of the unknown and the possibility of dipping below mediocre or the possibility of actually contending…loyalty to a fault and inaction is his sop. The $$$ comes in so change unnecessary. Mediocrity suits the lawyer just fine.

#2) doubt Tomlin has the balls to start somewhere new. He’s been pissing down his leg too long to risk further tarnishing his legacy of sustained mediocrity. He’ll take a cushy talking head job…it’s what he does already. You actually think he’ll risk working for someone with expectations??? That shyte is laughable.

#3) the Stains and their fans are just dumb enough to want some Tomlin mediocrity…wish he’d go there, that 💩 would be comical and likely put a spike in any HOf chances he has, as he would be exposed and simply do what Clevelanders do…suck out loud.

I’ve met very few Raven fans that think Tomlin is much of anything. Think you greatly over perceived his value among outsiders.

#4) if Rooney actually had that perspective of the “bad hand” he’d be a moron, he was given a championship squad and then all the keys to do whatever he wish. What bad hand could Rooney possibly perceive. Tomlin was given everything possible and the confines of the most stable franchise in the league. Dude was dealt pocket Aces. Rooney ain’t that dumb…complacent sure, lacking football acumen definitely…but he can’t be that dumb.

Again, I give two ***** about some knuckle dragging Stain fans perspective…a brain farting anomaly that dude must be
 
Man I wish I still had some of your guys passion. I do not
 
Not true at all. Give Ron a chance - he can come up with something vastly more ignorant or biased.
:ROFLMAO:

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Oh, and by the way Race Police, Tomlin was a defensive back coach for Tampa for four seasons and defensive coordinator for the Vikings for one season when hired by the Steelers as head coach. His defense in Minnesota was average. Good against the run, very bad against the pass. Nothing special.
His resume was kinda thin when he was hired. Viking's DC for one season where his defense had the unique distinction of being #1 against the run and dead last #32 against the pass. Almost 20 years later and he's back to being dead last in pass defense.

It's curious that our best DB's have to come from other teams.
 
Man I wish I still had some of your guys passion. I do not
My passion isn't nearly what it used to be. I just like analyzing stuff and trying to figure out The Why.
 
Id hire Marcus Freeman tomorrow if it was up to me. So if anyone thinks this is anything but dissapontment of the past decade..... they can **** right off.
 
This is me. After they looked like something last year and then melted.....I lost my spirit for it.
I've been on cruise control for many years now. It's the Tomlin effect.

I didn't get excited about our 11-0 run. Something there wouldn't let me buy into it. This year I bought into it. Not sure why. It was cured by the last two games. I'm back to complacence.
 
Not true at all. Give Ron a chance - he can come up with something vastly more ignorant or biased.

Oh, and by the way Race Police, Tomlin was a defensive back coach for Tampa for four seasons and defensive coordinator for the Vikings for one season when hired by the Steelers as head coach. His defense in Minnesota was average. Good against the run, very bad against the pass. Nothing special.

And nothing that would vault him to the front of the line for a head coaching position in the NFL
Just so i don't misunderstand you...you're acknowledging that the only reason you believe Tomlin was hired was because he was black??
 
#2) doubt Tomlin has the balls to start somewhere new. He’s been pissing down his leg too long to risk further tarnishing his legacy of sustained mediocrity. He’ll take a cushy talking head job…it’s what he does already. You actually think he’ll risk working for someone with expectations??? That shyte is laughable.

Noll took over a laughingstock of a franchise, turned into the best team ever in half a decade. Cowher took over a team that had one playoff appearance in its last seven seasons.

Tomlin was handed the keys to a Ferrari, managed to drive it to one championship with Brady out for the year, and 18 years later its rusted out frame sits on blocks in the yard.

There is no way he’s taking over a bad team and turning them around.
 
I've been on cruise control for many years now. It's the Tomlin effect.

I didn't get excited about our 11-0 run. Something there wouldn't let me buy into it. This year I bought into it. Not sure why. It was cured by the last two games. I'm back to complacence.
That was the Covid season. Our opponents were always missing a few starters every week while the Steelers remained relatively healthy. When Covid was mostly gone and other teams were up to full strength then the Steelers finished by losing 5 of their last 6. Then, naturally, got crushed in the first playoff game.
 
You hope Tomlin is promoted to a front office job? Why, because of his brilliant roster construction? His genius in acquiring over-the-hill vets who either fail or spend the season on IR? His amazing playoff successes? His history of player development, like with ... and ... uhh, how about ... then what about ...
How about take it down a notch. I understand your feelings for Tomlin are loathing and disgust, but I was only suggesting something post retirement. Im not sure what he would be really good at or would choose to do.
 
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Just so i don't misunderstand you...you're acknowledging that the only reason you believe Tomlin was hired was because he was black??
Just so I do not misunderstand you, do you think Tomlin being black had nothing to do with him getting an interview with Rooney after 1 failed year of being a coord?
 
That was the Covid season. Our opponents were always missing a few starters every week while the Steelers remained relatively healthy. When Covid was mostly gone and other teams were up to full strength then the Steelers finished by losing 5 of their last 6. Then, naturally, got crushed in the first playoff game.
That wasnt the reason they were winning or losing. The reason they were winning early was because teams hadn't figured out how to stop their dink and dunk offense which they had switched to due to Ben's decreased arm strength having been compromised by his previous injury he had and because he was essentially a statue in the pocket and was struggling to get the ball down the field. They actually had a pretty strong defense early on also.

From there it was actually the Redskins defense that basically exposed the dink and dunk offense by putting eight to 9 players in the box (to stifle the run and take away the short pass) and daring Ben to throw long and injuries to the Steelers defense that led to the collapse. You had Bush, Dupree, Spillane, all end up on the IR around the time that collapse started. They didnt have the depth to deal with season ending injuries on the offensive or defensive side of the ball nor the ability to adjust the offense to Ben's skillset and it was what it was.
 
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Just so I do not misunderstand you, do you think Tomlin being black had nothing to do with him getting an interview with Rooney after 1 failed year of being a coord?
Like somebody said already. The Rooney Rule required the Steelers to interview someone. It didnt require them to hire them. The fact the NFL had to institute such a rule is telling in itself.
 
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