Nick Saban says hi
Dulac reports Art growing impatient and frustrated
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I don’t think Tomlin was hired because of race/Rooney Rule/DEI.
From ALL accounts, he knocked his interview out of the park and WOWED EVERYONE within the organization that was part of the interview process. During the whole process, the Rooneys chose the best man for the job as they felt based off what they heard during the interviews.
I also don’t think the Rooneys break tradition established since Noll and fire a coach.
In Steeler tradition, Tomlin’s contract should not have been renewed last time, and now we’re stuck with this halfwit until at least ( God, please no longer ) 01/01/2028.
What I believe everyone is thinking is Art II feels pressure due to the potential optics of everything due to the hiring process rule named after his family, and their standing in the League, and general public.
Whether that’s actually the case or not, who can say but Rooney himself.
I just think it’s a popular theory formulated by a fan base that hasn’t experienced this level of underperforming in coming up on 60 years and is becoming frustrated and downtrodden.
Since I’ve been on this board, the bickering and debates have almost exclusively been focused on player performances and offensive and defensive philosophies. Obviously message boards weren’t around in Noll’s days, but this is still uncharted territory for us as a fan base with this collective level of frustration.
In the last decade, the only constant is Tomlin.
Players, coaches, assistants, scouting department, GM, and owner ( within the family ) have all changed in Tomlin’s tenure.
What else/Who else could the blame fall on?
ZERO to do with race.
EVERYTHING to do the team’s success.
Wow, what a thought-provoking and interesting debate, and I mean that seriously. It’s special that we can have these kind of discussions on the board about our favorite football organization. To me in business, sports, and in life in general, never underestimate the ability to interview well to achieve Your goal of acquiring something that you desire.
All I know as I sit here today with my third Haitian rum, and Coke is that the Pittsburgh Steelers performed very well today on the field and on the sideline.
God bless you all and go Steelers!
PS—-If only the United States Congress and Senate could discuss items so succinctly and reasonably.
All I know as I sit here today with my third Haitian rum, and Coke is that the Pittsburgh Steelers performed very well today on the field and on the sideline.
God bless you all and go Steelers!
PS—-If only the United States Congress and Senate could discuss items so succinctly and reasonably.
Right...another person mentioned Barry Switzer. We know that theres been more. We also know that there have been guys who were position coaches in college and then went on to be position coaches and coordinators in the NFL before they transitioned to head coaches in the NFL which was the case for Tomlin. My point being it doesnt matter how Tomlin got here he put in the work and acquired the experience to get here and nobody can take that away from him.
Every single one of his jobs (including as a graduate assistant) helped create a person who would eventually be who he is today. It doesnt matter where the experience was or what it was. It was experience. If youre putting together your resume for an employer youre listing every experience you've had that would be relevant for the job you're applying for. Somebody wants to minimize that by saying he coached at Arkansas State. So with that mindset NFL teams might as well not scout teams outside the Power 5, but I guarantee i could put together a non power 5 Fantasy team that would be intimidating to any Power 5 team anyone could put together.
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Spot-on analysis.
For the record, I have never said that Tomlin is a bad coach, on the contrary I think he is a good coach. But he is not a great coach.
Bad coaches don't go 18 years without a losing season. Great coaches don't go 9 years without a playoff win.
Every coach does boneheaded ****, the better ones do boneheaded **** less than the others.
As I've said before, this isn't the 1970's when you had between 7 and 9 future Hall Of Famers walking the sidelines every week.
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Exactly right. He is a good coach.
His problem is he backed up 2 hall of gamers. And he is the coach of a team used to competing for championships.
He would be awesome on a team like the jets.
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At some point though NY media would turn on him as opposed to the cozy arrangement in Pittsburgh.
In Pittsburgh if anybody asks hard questions they don't get another press pass. That won't play in NY.
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Dabo has won 2 Titles and he's feeling the heat for one bad season in-progress. Shades coasts through that type of adversity with little external pressure.
Why would be awesome on a team like the Jets?
Tomlin has shown he CAN NOT build a team/roster, what exactly has he done since the coaches and players he inherited moved on? Become a team that's barely above .500, and on a historic inept playoff drought? Well maybe the Jets would love that, LOL
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It took a couple of the greatest plays in SB history
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They would love winning seasons. Being revelzent until the playoffs.
I randomly picked jets. Pick any perrieniel loser you want.
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Forget not that both LeBeau and Arians were the DC and OC.
Especially LeBeau dialing up the heat for Arizona's last ditch effort to seal the game when they had 35 seconds to work with.
I’ve heard it both ways on this board….that he can’t build a team/roster…and that he plenty of talent but wasted it due to poor coaching/decisions.
If I had to choose which is more likely between “can’t build a team” or “he had talent but wasted it because he’s not a good coach “ I would probably pick the former.
….provided he makes the final decisions on draft day.
Then again, I don’t know if he has any input on the acquisitions that Omar makes. If not then you can’t put that on Tomlin.
I’m so confused!!!!
Agree, but then you could argue that vs Green Bay if Ben didn’t miss a wide open Mike Wallace for a TD and Mendenhall didn’t fumble when the offense was clicking, Mike could have a ring on his resume.
We had the edge on total yards, first downs, time of possession, third down conversions.
Sigh.Coulda shoulda woulda been a great comeback win.
Oh but wait, Mendenhall said he didn’t fumble. LOL
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I’d like to add just a little to this.
Most here are blaming the tomlin for the fall of the Franchise when in actuality….. Art 2 has been a major contributor to that fact.
Arty isn’t nearly as involved with the league matters as was his dad. The league has constantly pooped on the Steelers (Covid 3-games 10 days, amongst others). Art didn’t stand up and protest, the Rats said NO to the Rog when their players were sick and AFC NORTH on the line, causing that schedule game to accommodate the rats due to owner raising hell. No stand up for players when punished, favor other team constantly, just All Quiet on the Northern Front. Silent Art 2 .
Regardless of Art 2’s thinking, he has been slow to do anything. This last extension more so favored the “Ahead of the Means” signing instead of a football decision. Money first, football second, nothing like in the past of greatness this franchise has been losing under the watch of the Art 2.
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Steve Spurrier is another.
Coached at Florida and South Carolina before being hired by the Redskins.
…pardon me, the Commanders.
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Add the two of some of the greatest players in Steelers history……….. Ben ROETHLISBERGER and James Harrison.
Sill burns my asZ about the MVP of that SB.
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This is an argument used to disparage Tomlin's ring, and it drives me nuts. If Noll doesn't have Swann making incredible plays in Super Bowl 10, and Bradshaw dropping that dime while getting hit to Swann, noll may only have 3. If Stallworth doesn't make great catches in 14, maybe Noll only has 2. This is what players should do in the biggest of moments. Make incredible plays. We haven't really seen that is so long we forget. It takes incredible plays somewhere along the line for any team to win a Super Bowl. Tomlin's ring should not be diminished because of it.
Switzer was a college head coach for 16 seasons, where he won 157 games and 3 national championships. He succeeded Jimmy Johnson, who was also a college head coach for 10 years, with 118 wins and 2 national championships.
Nick Saban was a college head coach for 11 seasons and a defensive coordinator for 4 seasons in the NFL before taking over as HC of the Dolphins.
Spurrier was a college head coach for 15 seasons before becoming an NFL head coach, with 132 wins and a national championship.
This list simply underscores that Tomlin's college coaching record is vastly less impressive than the record of other successful college coaches hired to become NFL head coaches.
The only real comparisons to Tomlin in terms of lack of experience as HC and getting the job as HC of an NFL franchise are Norm Van Brocklin taking over as coach of the Minnesota Vikings with literally no coaching experience (disaster), Jeff Saturday taking over as interim head coach of the Indianapolis Colts with no coaching experience (disaster), and Sean McVay taking over as coach of the Rams in 2017 after 7 years coaching experience with the Redskins, including three as offensive coordinator.
McVay's skills as a HC are pretty self-evident. The Skins became a good offense under his tutelage, and went from 26th in the NFL in scoring in 2014 to 10th in 2015.
So let's not pretend that a guy with Tomlin's limited background and with no head coaching experience getting hired to take over an NFL team is normal.
All good, but taking into account Tomlins lack of a stellar college career only mattered when he was hired.
At this stage criticism for him not having a formidable college career is water under the bridge. No point to it.
After 18 + years as a coach in the NFL, he certainly has NFL experience now, and due to that experience would most likely be hired by another team over any experienced college coach.
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Do you even have a job? Im wondering that now. Clearly you dont know what goes into building a resume so showing up to jump on a back of a truck at 6am so you can go pick fruit seems suitable for a person with your mindset. I've never seen someone make a more ludicrous argument as what would qualify as experience to take over a head coaching position in the NFL. Its like a bum teaching a business person how to go about they business. Stay in a bums lane and stick to what you know. At the end of the day his experience certainly proved good enough for him to make it to two SBs and never have a non losing season.
You can say what you will about the non losing seasons or the SBs, but what you cant say is that either was a fluke seeing that he has been to more then one SB and has never had a losing season in 18 years. Hes more then proven that hes capable of coaching in the NFL thats what a dumbass like yourself doesnt understand. You can't go and argue against something thats already been proven. You can't go and say his prior coaching experiences weren't enough when hes already proven that youre flat out wrong
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My intention was not to drive you nuts and agree it takes incredible plays to win championships, it's just that those incredible plays seem to have disappeared over the 10 years or so despite players coming and going on the roster. The two plays I mentioned likely rank higher in Super Bowl history than those of Bradshaw, Swann or Stallworth, great as they were. Only one thing remains consistent with the current version of this team and it's grown stale. Just an opinion from a stranger on the internet.
Fact is you tried to minimize just like diver said. In any close SB there are plays that stand out no matter what the team from the Giants helmet catch to the Patriots cb intercepting a football on a slant on the 1 yd line. All the plays are a part of the game. It would be a different story if lightning struck down the best defensive player on the other teams sideline or food poisoning took out the entire offensive line just before the game then you would have a case. Any attempt to disparage someone's achievemements other than that is petty and trifling at minimum.
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I'll stand by my comment as you are entitled to yours as well. What I think doesn't matter, what you think doesn't matter. See how that works?