Yeah. Exactly. Have I argued against that?
Dulac reports Art growing impatient and frustrated
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1. Deuce isn't going to fire his father's Rooney Rule hire no matter what.
2. He looks at the "no losing seasons" record and thinks that's good enough, not realizing that much of the fan base uses it as a punchline.
3. Black fans, who make up the majority of the Tomlin Fan Club, will be screaming "Rayciss!!!". The only possible reason for firing a coach who's never had a losing record over 18 seasons. Or firing the coach who's only had one losing record over 19 seasons.
4. The OG Art Rooney was not a football guy and the team under him was mostly bad. Dan Rooney WAS a football guy and the team under him was pretty good. Deuce is a lawyer and not a football guy and under him the team is getting steadily worse.
Best they will do is not extend his contract. We have two years to go. Deuce doesn't pay people to sit at home and not work.
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I think that black and white, and nothing in between, attitude is just a reflection of today's society. It's everywhere on the internet, not just in Steeler Nation debates about Tomlin.
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Just need to hire some people who can get the job done
At least we know where you stand goofy and perhaps since day one. Im black by the way and would totally understand if the Steelers were to let Tomlin walk especially if he has a losing season. He perhaps needs a change of scenery although i would hope he would just retire or be promoted to a front office job. Im not that feels like the organization owes him anything after a loss season. The organization has been good to him and he would never argue different. His watch will have ended and it is what it is.
I do believe hes a good coach, but if his philosophy isnt going to change about the way he goes about doing things and he refuses to endorse the hiring of a motivated, fresh defensive mind who is well able to coordinate this defense on his own then he needs to be gone.
That being said im really tired of bigots like you constantly referring to Tomlins longevity as being falsely attributed to him being a "Rooney Rule" or "DEI" hire. You couldn't come off being more ignorant and biased. It wasnt a problem when two white coaches leaked into double digit years despite enduring periods of struggle especially in the latter part of their careers, but its a problem now.
The two white coaches were here a long time because the organization valued loyalty, stability, and family/team culture. Tomlin is around because he is a "Rooney Rule" or "DEI" hire. You dont see a problem with saying stuff like that?? Its the irony of claiming black people would scream "rayciss" all while spewing racist rhetoric throughout your own take.
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I realize this is the most likely scenario, anything is possible though if one is made uncomfortable enough.
So fans need to make the next two years as embarrassing as possible for the Lawyer who sucks at running a team. “Fire Tomlin chants”
“Hey Steelers fans what DAY is it? GROUNDHOG’s Day!!!” chants maybe some bags on the heads, continue the tailgate in the parking lot until the 2nd quarter since the Steelers never show up in the first quarter anyways, excessive Booing anytime suck is uncorked, etc.
If enough egg is on his face he could move on, maybe shop around and help him find that broadcast deal to move on to and make a little back room negotiation like lawyers are famous for?
But yeah, all that being said he’ll likely get two more years cuz Art sucks and never should have gave him that last extension. Cheap *** inept lawyer ruining a legacy
Hopefully he retires soon
I guarantee if they had a white head coach with the same lousy playoff record that most of the black fans would want him fired.
I'm not racist, I'm just telling you how it looks. If you don't like it, that's your problem. Not that I care.
Just saying that from the team's point of view (looking at it as if I worked for the Steelers) it's a bad look for the namesakes of the Rooney Rule to fire their first black head coach.
As far as the previous two white head coaches having periods of struggle, I get you, but the fact is that the Steelers are now in their longest period without a playoff win since Chuck Noll was hired in 1969.
I've got news for you. Not every time that a white person is critical of a black person does it have to do with race. For you it always has to do with race. Sometimes someone just isn't very good at their job.
Naw, for me it doesnt have to do with race. If I see a coach struggling I just see a coach struggling. It doesnt matter to me if hes black or white, or Mexican or whatever. You're the one that brought up race so own it. What evidence do you have that black people would have any more or less of an issue with Cowher or Noll even in their down years than they would with Tomlin that you would be able to "guarantee" how they feel?? Don't speak for us. You don't know us. They're reaction would be no different then anyone else. I know of plenty of black people that want him fired. I can provide you links of black people talking about wanting him fired. Even if they dont like the idea of him getting fired, THEY CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IT. You're just projecting. As far as im concerned youre just another white coward who jumps online talking slick behind a keyboard, but smile in people face when you in public.
Who cares about a Rooney Rule? That's so lame and tired that yall keep.running back to that. Hes been here for almost 20 years. If he would have been fired after his SB loss then it would look bad. Not almost 20 years after the fact. At the end of the day this is still a business. Most, if not all black people get that. As a business owner if im paying you 16 million a year then I expect to get a reasonable return on my investment. Being in conversation of making the playoffs is not good enough. Im especially expecting a suitable return if you were able to convince me that paying out as much as I have for a defense you put together comes back with minimal returns. Being 30 out of 32 is not good enough. This alone will keep black people at bay with any "Rayciss" talk as you put it. The very fact you spelled it the way that you did is telling in itself, but go off and continue to expose yourself.
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This is almost true.
Even with garbage QBs, PURE GARBAGE, Cowher won playoff games and had us respectable in the years before Ben.
Ben didn’t save Cowher’s career, but he absolutely validated it by getting “the one for the thumb” Cowher promised Dan.
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Off the top of my head
All three Washington SBs in the 80s.
Dilfer with the Rats.
Hoestetler with Giants.
Brad Johnson with Bucs.
Nick Foles with Eagles.
And depending how you feel, I’d throw in
Russell Wilson with Seahawks.
I personally don’t think Warner is that great, either, but he’s HOF unlike any of the others above, so I’ll concede him for this argument.
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Maybe I’m wrong on this, but the Steelers may be the only organization that hasn’t fired a head coach.
And the two previous coaches with the Steelers were long tenured and eventually retired/mutually parted ways with Steelers.
I think Ron’s pointing out the obvious that if the Steelers, who have NEVER fired a head coach and were the genesis for The Rooney Rule, were to fire Tomlin, it would be the worst “look” possible from a PR standpoint. It probably would result in shouts of racism. Not from ALL people, but enough that it would be an issue.
Not trying to speak for Ron, or nose my way into this conversation. Just pointing out what we know from history with Steelers.
It's still a ridiculous argument after almost 20 years. Its not like hes gone to back to back SBs. If thats the environment you are anticipating should he be fired then thats the environment the NFL created by shutting out other races of coaches for all them years. You probably couldn't name on one hand the number of minority coaches that existed in Cowhers day much less Noll's. I just find it funny that its always the Rooney Rule that kept Tomlin around for this long and never the Good Ole Boys Club or "Revolving Door Hiring" that kept Noll or Cowher or other white coaches around. Why does the standard for why Tomlin got a job or was able to keep a job have to change because hes black??
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That game is burned into my hard drive. I've never seen anything like it. Tebow thinks it's divine intervention. He may be right.
That game defied all logic and reason at the time,but seeing many years of ludicrous outcomes after that. It all makes sense.
Not in the last 56 years anyway.
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The standard is now SUBstandard, and the Steelers are in their worst run of non playoff success in the Superbowl era.
It's pretty clear that the head coach and the DC are greatly underperforming expectations this season, in a similar manner in which the head coach and the OC were performing poorly two seasons ago.
The difference is that this season the head coach has been bragging about his D as historic, they have the highest paid D in the league (maybe in NFL history), and he brought in a future HoF QB to win NOW.
Those of us who couldn't give a flying fuuck about race want a better FO, better results from the Head Coach and all the coordinators, and are just unsatisfied by anything other than a realistic shot at a SB in the next couple years.
The standard is substandard.
Stop the run and have DBs help the rush by jumping routes and by doubling the receivers catching balls. And move TJ around. Help the players who are underperforming by putting them in better positions to succeed or next man up. High school coaches adapt better than this coaching staff.
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Seeing Ike trailing Thomas by 5 yards repeatedly was a lot like watching Chase simply snag balls 10 yds deep because DBs were still 5 yds off him. And Chris Hogan becoming Jerry Rice every game against the Steelers. Groundhog Day with the present head coach.
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I don’t think it’s SPECIFICALLY and/or THE ONLY reason.
I think it’s merely part of the reason.
Besides Landry in Dallas, Bellichick in New England, Shula in Miami, and Harbaugh in Baltimore, no other organization has had a coach as long tenured as Tomlin, let alone THREE of them in succession. The others are anomalies. It’s damn near guaranteed with Pittsburgh.
So IF the Steelers were to fire Tomlin, it goes against their history of almost 60 years.
I hope and pray as a fan that Tomlin has that late turnaround like Cowher did.
I just haven’t seen ANYTHING from him since the SB loss to GB.
I defended Tomlin longer than most here. I was REALLY late to the party.
But right after Bell and Brown checked out, and I looked back at those years that we had another Bradshaw/Harris/Stallworth with a dominant D that won absolutely nothing, that’s when I turned.
It’s not that we haven’t had “great players” under Tomlin, it’s he doesn’t develop players nor does he motivate them. He’s a “player’s coach” because the inmates run the asylum.
You havent said anything that I havent repeated myself. My point is people could just say that and leave it at that. When im talking about standard im not referring to what's going on the field in this instance. Im strictly referring to the hiring process of coaches in this league or even hiring for any job of high affluence or recognition and what people qualify as why some people got a job and kept their job as opposed to others . Forget about Pittsburgh Steelers for just a brief second and whats going on on the field. At the end of the day thats just a game. Im talking about how we view each other and what we condition in our mind what people do and dont deserve and what they're capable and not capable of, etc just based upon their race. That's the standard im talking about. For example, Why does a black coach getting a job in this league have to be so minimized?
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Who gives a rats asss about race?
You brought it up, said it shouldn't be a factor, I agree, and now you make race the point of your post.
Get over yourself, already.
This is what im talking about. People jumping in on the middle of conversations and then acting like they know everything. I certainly wasnt the one that brought up race but if it makes you feel good about what you said it just goes to show its a waste of time talking with stupid.
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This is where I'm at. Tomlin is a good coach, but the way he builds and operates the team is not championship level. It's good enough to win a lot of games, but not good enough to win when it matters against legit contenders. Pittsburgh has another dinosaur head coach with Pat Narduzzi and even he recognized he had to completely change what they were doing on offense to win games. College football is a different ballgame and Pitt is not a blueblood, but they have changed how they operate and have seen pockets of success.
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Many of The idiot social media Tomlin fan club would certainly play that card
Just remember for historical reference many of the same fans realizing Mike’s time should be expired were also ready to move on from Cowher near the end (prior to him finally breaking through, winning a SB and getting his franchise QB)…obviously cuz Cowher’s complexion
And Cowher was far more competitive through the stretch where people were ready for change…guess that was also racism???
Or maybe just maybe fans aren’t looking at race at all and just realize when a new voice is needed
The last thing that comes to my mind when analyzing Tomlin’s ineptitude is his skin color..