Love the more probable than not.
Deflategate Investigation: Complete ... Awaiting Report.
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Love the more probable than not.
One more Pittsburgh Dad helping with home work and using a child's toy to answer the questions one of the questions deals with belicheat.
At about the two minute mark it begins to get to some football references.
At about the two minute mark it begins to get to some football references.
More probable than not is NFL speak for "guilty". They have to use that language per the NFL but it does not mean there is any doubt of guilt. The text messages are damning and Brady refusing to cooperate and lying during the investigation is damning. He should get a minimum of 6 games off and I have heard some say the entire season. But, then, you have the talking heads that say "what difference does it make"? Sounds like Hillary is on Brady's side.
to answer the question what difference does it make? it is the difference between the wwf and the nfl of old. I say of old because of what it has become now is a parody of itself. I do not remember any of this **** (multiple controversies all the time) when Tags was the commissioner.
Prediction since the site might be down for 72 hours and if that is what is posted by the hosting parties I would not be surprised if it does not take two weeks to move it. There always seems to be some glitch when dealing with anything IT related. I'll guess the punishment is very light and hits right after it goes down and there will be nowhere for us to collectively ***** about it.
No, what did he say?
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=12840904
Link to the radio broadcast. thinks there will be punishment unknown what it will be. Glosses over what was not disclosed by obstructing the investigation. For example did Brady send text to Belicheat and belicheat to kraft regarding the events. That is one possible explanation for the holding back of the information. It might also show a much longer period of cheating than was covered in the investigation. Again that would be something that holding back information would cover up.
Link to the radio broadcast. thinks there will be punishment unknown what it will be. Glosses over what was not disclosed by obstructing the investigation. For example did Brady send text to Belicheat and belicheat to kraft regarding the events. That is one possible explanation for the holding back of the information. It might also show a much longer period of cheating than was covered in the investigation. Again that would be something that holding back information would cover up.
I listened to Colin Cower today, and he admits to Tom Brady cheated, but tried to diminish the impact. He kept making the analogy to pine tar, when the correct analogy should have been doctoring the ball in baseball. It's illegal, but it's not ban worthy. He did address the correlation to the lack of fumbles WAS significant, and was the only significant thing about a deflated football. He just completely missed the point that a deflated ball is easier to grip (especially in bad weather games, and cold weather). This could be a direct result of Brady being possibly one of the best bad weather QBs ever. It is also easier to catch, and also would reduce the chance of the qb fumbling the ball with one hand. Remember the tuck rule? It fell out of his grip because it was filled to NFL standards. From his rule change in 2006, he was able to shape a new phase in dishonesty.
This report actually raises more questions than answers. Now I feel the NFL needs to launch an actual investigation with the complete involvement of Bellicheat, Brady, and Kraft. If they did that, this issue could be as big as 1919 Black Socks. Collusion, deceit, and complicity. The only difference, is the Pats were cheating to win, while the Socks cheated to lose.
This report actually raises more questions than answers. Now I feel the NFL needs to launch an actual investigation with the complete involvement of Bellicheat, Brady, and Kraft. If they did that, this issue could be as big as 1919 Black Socks. Collusion, deceit, and complicity. The only difference, is the Pats were cheating to win, while the Socks cheated to lose.
NFL Network aired a piece of a interview already previously scheduled, and Tom was a unapologetic tool. He will never admit to anything much like that entire organization and fanbase. Just sickening.............................
I don't want him suspended.
I had a dream a few years ago that the Steelers were playing NE and the Steelers were winning late. NE was driving, and Timmons picked off a pass. As he heads down the field, Brady starts to come after him. Harrison peels back and knocks the **** out of Brady. Just annihilates him.
This may be the last year this dream could become a reality.
I had a dream a few years ago that the Steelers were playing NE and the Steelers were winning late. NE was driving, and Timmons picked off a pass. As he heads down the field, Brady starts to come after him. Harrison peels back and knocks the **** out of Brady. Just annihilates him.
This may be the last year this dream could become a reality.
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I hardly think 4 games for Brady is enough and bill needs removed from the league being caught cheating twice.
Well, I know this. It shows how pathetic I am. Some guys are having dreams in which they are banging a supermodel or something, and I am dreaming about Steeler games.
A few years ago though I had a dream where I was banging Paris Hilton in the bed of my pickup truck. Every once and again I'd give her a little rabbit punch in the jaw for good measure. That one hasn't come true yet, either.
Sorry, this has nothing to do with deflategate. I got sidetracked.
I think the media is just piling on because Brady dissed Bomma and didn't go to the White House after the SB.
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I am thinking it might have texts to Bill which make him aware of the situation at the least and might have him involved in it from the out set. There might also be references to when the ball inflation issues first came about. Once Bill gets pulled in his records get snatched and it shows Kraft was involved as well. It is also not unreasonable to think that email contact with rodger might be in play as well. I believe someone wrote an article called the tip of the iceberg, that title might have more truth than we know.
This may have been posted on here already but it sure is applicable in light of the report being released. It is from the bleacher report and is very well written and makes many valid points. I have also posted the link in case anyone wants to go over and read other articles on the site as well.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell
An open letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell
By Mike Frazer
@MPFrazer on May 7, 2015, 3:16p 73
Dennis Wierzbicki-USA TODAY Sports
Justice is black and white, Mr. Commissioner.
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To Mr. Roger Goodell,
Sir, I am writing to you today, in this open letter, to remind you that you have but a single job: to maintain the integrity of the National Football League and the game of football in general.
See, I feel the need to write this letter, because you have taken actions in the recent, and not so recent, past that both set a precedent for infractions of league rules and laws of all levels of jurisdiction, and that leave many of us scratching our heads as to whether the concept of justice has ever managed to take hold within the confines of your brain.
We've seen you lay down the law -- whether or not there was a law broken. We've also watched you cave under public pressure, whether you want to admit it or not.
When the New Orleans Saints' coaching staff were found to have organized a bounty system in which players would be tangibly rewarded for attempts to injure opposing players, you suspended players and staff members. You went so far as to ban coach Sean Payton for a year, despite there being little or no evidence of his direct involvement. You claimed that, as the head coach, he should have known what was going on with his team.
You suspended Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for six games -- later reduced to four -- for mere allegations of crimes, for which so little evidence was found that police couldn't even warrant continuing the investigation, let alone leveling charges against him. Despite the lack of charges, you maintained the suspension for the good of the game. Any Steelers fan who is honest with himself would actually applaud you for that. He was acting in a manner detrimental to the sport, whether or not laws were actually broken. And it seems to have gotten his attention, as he has clearly amended his ways.
But the blemishes on your disciplinary record are what worry us. Despite watching former Baltimore Raven Ray Rice drag his then-fiance, unconscious, from the elevator she entered under her own power, you felt a two-game suspension was sufficient because the public had not yet seen the video of him punching her. Only after the public outcry became deafening did you apply a somewhat sufficient punishment.
Most troubling of all is your handling of the infamous "Spygate" incident. Despite a mountain of evidence that the Patriots had systematically recorded opposing teams' signals for years, you basically gave them a slap on the wrist. You fined head coach Bill Belichick $500,000, fined the team $250,000 (that's, what, a few thousand seats' worth of sales?) and took away one of the team's two first-round draft picks -- and not even the higher of the two.
We are all painfully aware of your relationship with Robert Kraft. We also find it largely distasteful that you are best-friends-forever with one of the 32 people who decide whether or not you stay employed. We all know you partied with the Kraft family at their house the night before the now-infamous AFC Championship, the game from which this entire fiasco has risen.
With all that in the open, we reach the crux of this open letter. I, as well as countless others, implore you to take the high road, Mr. Commissioner. The inquiry you, yourself, ordered into these accusations has found that the balls in question were, indeed, tampered with. It has found that members of the Patriots' coaching staff committed the acts for which they have been accused. It has also found that quarterback Tom Brady was most likely complicit. The simple fact that he refused to turn over the evidence requested of him only serves as a further indictment. And, finally, that this has occurred on a team that has already been found guilty of systematically gaining an advantage by violating league rules -- commonly known as "cheating" -- in the past should serve as a multiplier for the penalty. This is not a first offense.
We, the fans, thank you for making public the report from the investigation. It's a far cry better than the last time, when you immediately had all the evidence of wrongdoing burned.
For the good of the game, for the good of the league, and to resurrect a reputation that you, yourself, have done well to bury through your past disciplinary inconsistencies, we fans beg you to take the high road and punish those involved in a manner that is consistent with the violation of rules, and accounts for past infractions by the same team. That should stop no lower than with head coach Bill Belichick. Because, as you said in regard to Sean Payton, he should have known what was going on with his own team.
Good day, sir.
- NFL Fans
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Hope everyone enjoys this even if you have already seen it it sounds better now. One other thing Ryan Clark mentioned is 4 games for a performance enhancing drug violation should be the same as one for cheating. I suspect that is for a first offense. What is a second offense worth?
Tom Brady
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...open-letter-to-nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell
An open letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell
By Mike Frazer
@MPFrazer on May 7, 2015, 3:16p 73
Dennis Wierzbicki-USA TODAY Sports
Justice is black and white, Mr. Commissioner.
Tweet (39) Share (1263)
Pin
To Mr. Roger Goodell,
Sir, I am writing to you today, in this open letter, to remind you that you have but a single job: to maintain the integrity of the National Football League and the game of football in general.
See, I feel the need to write this letter, because you have taken actions in the recent, and not so recent, past that both set a precedent for infractions of league rules and laws of all levels of jurisdiction, and that leave many of us scratching our heads as to whether the concept of justice has ever managed to take hold within the confines of your brain.
We've seen you lay down the law -- whether or not there was a law broken. We've also watched you cave under public pressure, whether you want to admit it or not.
When the New Orleans Saints' coaching staff were found to have organized a bounty system in which players would be tangibly rewarded for attempts to injure opposing players, you suspended players and staff members. You went so far as to ban coach Sean Payton for a year, despite there being little or no evidence of his direct involvement. You claimed that, as the head coach, he should have known what was going on with his team.
You suspended Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for six games -- later reduced to four -- for mere allegations of crimes, for which so little evidence was found that police couldn't even warrant continuing the investigation, let alone leveling charges against him. Despite the lack of charges, you maintained the suspension for the good of the game. Any Steelers fan who is honest with himself would actually applaud you for that. He was acting in a manner detrimental to the sport, whether or not laws were actually broken. And it seems to have gotten his attention, as he has clearly amended his ways.
But the blemishes on your disciplinary record are what worry us. Despite watching former Baltimore Raven Ray Rice drag his then-fiance, unconscious, from the elevator she entered under her own power, you felt a two-game suspension was sufficient because the public had not yet seen the video of him punching her. Only after the public outcry became deafening did you apply a somewhat sufficient punishment.
Most troubling of all is your handling of the infamous "Spygate" incident. Despite a mountain of evidence that the Patriots had systematically recorded opposing teams' signals for years, you basically gave them a slap on the wrist. You fined head coach Bill Belichick $500,000, fined the team $250,000 (that's, what, a few thousand seats' worth of sales?) and took away one of the team's two first-round draft picks -- and not even the higher of the two.
We are all painfully aware of your relationship with Robert Kraft. We also find it largely distasteful that you are best-friends-forever with one of the 32 people who decide whether or not you stay employed. We all know you partied with the Kraft family at their house the night before the now-infamous AFC Championship, the game from which this entire fiasco has risen.
With all that in the open, we reach the crux of this open letter. I, as well as countless others, implore you to take the high road, Mr. Commissioner. The inquiry you, yourself, ordered into these accusations has found that the balls in question were, indeed, tampered with. It has found that members of the Patriots' coaching staff committed the acts for which they have been accused. It has also found that quarterback Tom Brady was most likely complicit. The simple fact that he refused to turn over the evidence requested of him only serves as a further indictment. And, finally, that this has occurred on a team that has already been found guilty of systematically gaining an advantage by violating league rules -- commonly known as "cheating" -- in the past should serve as a multiplier for the penalty. This is not a first offense.
We, the fans, thank you for making public the report from the investigation. It's a far cry better than the last time, when you immediately had all the evidence of wrongdoing burned.
For the good of the game, for the good of the league, and to resurrect a reputation that you, yourself, have done well to bury through your past disciplinary inconsistencies, we fans beg you to take the high road and punish those involved in a manner that is consistent with the violation of rules, and accounts for past infractions by the same team. That should stop no lower than with head coach Bill Belichick. Because, as you said in regard to Sean Payton, he should have known what was going on with his own team.
Good day, sir.
- NFL Fans
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Hope everyone enjoys this even if you have already seen it it sounds better now. One other thing Ryan Clark mentioned is 4 games for a performance enhancing drug violation should be the same as one for cheating. I suspect that is for a first offense. What is a second offense worth?
Tom Brady
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nothing - not a thing - is going to happen.
some petty fines slapped on Brady and Belichick... of which Kraft will pay using funds in the over-running DirecTV petty cash kitty.
some petty fines slapped on Brady and Belichick... of which Kraft will pay using funds in the over-running DirecTV petty cash kitty.
I wonder how long it'll take for them to sort thru this mess and provide some feedback (and punishment or not) about the report??? Them being the NFL.
Hope everyone enjoys this even if you have already seen it it sounds better now. One other thing Ryan Clark mentioned is 4 games for a performance enhancing drug violation should be the same as one for cheating. I suspect that is for a first offense. What is a second offense worth?
I believe a second offense is 8 games and a 3rd offense is a year.
Brady will have retired by then