Steelers select CB Senquez Golson

[AggieSteel]

Is it so hard to believe that the team really did love Golson and targeted him? Just because some posters here are mad about his size doesn't mean the Steelers were worried about it. And to be honest, I'm not either. I think Golson was an excellent pick

 

[FordFairLane]

I don't believe Tomlin and his BS Golson was the guy they wanted to trade up for. I think they tried trading up for either Landon Collins or Eric Rowe with an outside chance at Jalen Collins. I think when they couldn't trade up for a decent price they decided to sit and hope a CB would fall. Maybe when they looked at their board with Rowe, Collins, and Darby off the board that they figured they better grab the next CB on their board. Or maybe they were going to sit and take BPA thinking Max Williams would fall and then the Ravens snagged him and they panicked. But I just can't believe they were going to trade UP for a 5-8 CB.

 

[Wingman]

I initially thought they lost their minds taking this kid this high. When I went back and looked at the number of corners taken ahead of them and behind them there is no way somebody does not take him before the steelers in round 3. Once you get past Byron Jones who the cowboys picked in the first round 4th corner taken in the first the talent drops off a bunch. Also it was said this is the first time in a long time that 3 corners were taken in the 1st round and then a fourth was taken in the 1st.

I suspect the corners going at a rate higher than expected by everyone was the fact that this particular draft class was weak in lots of other areas. Many of the top players had the look of good as a ceiling instead of great. Tight ends were not that great for example, the top picks I thought might become Spaeth but not Miller for example.

I think the steelers picked a bunch of guys that will likely make the team and replace a couple of guys on the 53 man roster. This was mentioned by Tomlin and Colbert in their presser. They stated they had 47 guys returning on the team from last year and that means there are 6 spots open right now. They have needs at linebacker and defensive secondary that are huge and likely put guys in there that just might replace a few guys on the team.

If Jarvis for example does not have a strong season this year his replacement might be on the team now. If he does they have lined up his back up.

Golson does not have to be a slot corner. He might be used on the edge and Cortez could go back to the slot where he did better than last years performance on the outside.

Golson might have deep help and underneath from a linebacker at times. They can scheme to deal with his height or just figure on an errant pass being picked off by this kid because he really plays the ball well.

I am also wondering if the attributes of the better corner backs might be changing due to rules and their enforcement. For years the steelers have been looking for bigger physical corners that can bump and slow receivers to disrupt the route. More "your gona call that" penalties have been assessed in recent years than before it seems. So the change from big and physical to ball skills might be in order. Also when one looks at the league becoming more of a pass first league than before corners that get turnovers would I think be more valuable to give the offense a shorter field.

 

[ZACKB]

This most likely what happened. Although they may have been planning to draft him instead of Maxx. Bouchette said that they def wanted Maxx.

I don't believe Tomlin and his BS Golson was the guy they wanted to trade up for. I think they tried trading up for either Landon Collins or Eric Rowe with an outside chance at Jalen Collins. I think when they couldn't trade up for a decent price they decided to sit and hope a CB would fall. Maybe when they looked at their board with Rowe, Collins, and Darby off the board that they figured they better grab the next CB on their board. Or maybe they were going to sit and take BPA thinking Max Williams would fall and then the Ravens snagged him and they panicked. But I just can't believe they were going to trade UP for a 5-8 CB.

 

[Wingman]

I don't believe Tomlin and his BS Golson was the guy they wanted to trade up for. I think they tried trading up for either Landon Collins or Eric Rowe with an outside chance at Jalen Collins. I think when they couldn't trade up for a decent price they decided to sit and hope a CB would fall. Maybe when they looked at their board with Rowe, Collins, and Darby off the board that they figured they better grab the next CB on their board. Or maybe they were going to sit and take BPA thinking Max Williams would fall and then the Ravens snagged him and they panicked. But I just can't believe they were going to trade UP for a 5-8 CB.

I really can't see a panic in the second round just because they have a ranking board and have already removed the players taken in the first. As they look at possibilities to trade up none of the corners left is with out some significant gaps in his game, in other words if the guy is taller he has other issues, like speed issues or poor instincts or poor change of direction etc. This is not my assessment but based on what I have read in the draft reviews leading up to the draft. I suspect a lot of corners were taken higher than they normally would be and suspect that most of them were picked a round ahead of where the draftnicks thought they should go. What cost would it have been to move up and is one of the other players worth 2 from your draft? I'm glad they did not have to move up to get him or someone else.

 

[Tibs]

I don't believe Tomlin and his BS Golson was the guy they wanted to trade up for.

For the record, Kevin Colbert - not coach Tomlin - made the definitive statement that the Steelers had targeted Golson in the 2nd and were looking to move up for him. Whichever the case, what good reason do you have for not believing it? Why in the world would somebody with the impeccable reputation of Kevin Colbert sit there and make a bold faced lie?

 

[FordFairLane]

I really can't see a panic in the second round just because they have a ranking board and have already removed the players taken in the first. As they look at possibilities to trade up none of the corners left is with out some significant gaps in his game, in other words if the guy is taller he has other issues, like speed issues or poor instincts or poor change of direction etc. This is not my assessment but based on what I have read in the draft reviews leading up to the draft. I suspect a lot of corners were taken higher than they normally would be and suspect that most of them were picked a round ahead of where the draftnicks thought they should go. What cost would it have been to move up and is one of the other players worth 2 from your draft? I'm glad they did not have to move up to get him or someone else.

The thing is a lot of teams will have a 5-8 CB off their board. I mean do you think Seattle is going to draft a 5-8 CB? And in fact this is a copy cat league and most teams are looking for those big tall CB's like Seattle. I don't know if he'd be around in round three or not but I would say the odds were not bad of him still being available.

 

[Spike]

Colbert on Golson -- "Senquez was targeted to be picked in the second round, without a doubt. We were going to come out of that round with a corner and that was never a discussion. In fact we tried to trade up to secure Senquez Golson. Just to set the record straight."

that's going to fuel this thread to at least 15 more pages.

yah - but it's still better than hearing about next years mock drafts

 

[bermudasteel]

I liked our draft except rd 2. I would have take Alex Carter or, who I wanted...PJ Williams. Hell, we could have maybe traded down foe and extra 4 th rounder.I liked Grant in rd 4. My only big complaint is Golson in rd 2. PJ Williams here and I'm happy. Rollins was more of a safety.

Like it was said above...we didn't have turnovers, so lets draft a kid who gets turnovers. Ok, but we need a guy who can potentially start over Gay and/or Cortez. Golson cannot do that. Grant is solid and reminds me of Gay, but maybe turns out to be even better.

How do you KNOW that Golson can't start over Cortez or Willy???

I saw his quote...don't believe it for a second...total BS. Either we wanted Maxx, and the Rats screwed us, and we dropped the ball, or we couldn't trade up for Jalen Collins or Rowe and settled for this kid.

I guess - size matters with you...

 

[bermudasteel]

I trust the guys getting PAID for their analysis...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/senquez-golson?id=2552264

Draft Analysis:

"Golson is a corner who is only 5-foot-8 and 176 pounds, but what separates him is his ball skills. He played minor league baseball. The question is, how much does size matter? Golson is one of the best pure zone corners I've seen." -- Mike Mayock

 

[FordFairLane]

Hey, I am not that upset with the Golson pick. I feel he is immediately a nickel CB and should do well helping the defense get turnovers. I think at this point our secondary is hoping Cortez Allen bounces back, Gay is able to have one more solid year, and Golson comes in on nickel and dime situations with Blake or Grant. Mitchell plays the way we are paying him at FS and Shamarko shows us why we traded to get him.

I hope Butler says to the defense this year best man wins at all positions. Nothing is guaranteed. The only guy I am 100% certain about is Heyward at DE. I could see Tuitt taking Cam Thomas spot at DE, McCullers at least taking snaps from McLendon at DT, Moats and JJ battling it out and then Dupree spelling Harrison on the other side. Timmons should handedly win inside but let Williams, Spence, and Shazier fight it out for the other spot. At the CB position let them all fight it out and whoever is the best two start. Same at safety let Golden and Holliman fight it out with the penciled in starters and see what shakes out. I feel Dick was too loyal to players and maybe making them practice hard this training camp and OTA's makes them better this upcoming season.

 

[ZACKB]

I liked him, just not in rd 2. I would have been happy with PJ Williams in rd 2, Golson in rd 3. Don't be surprised if we need a starting corner again after the season.

 

[21STEELERS21]

Golson will start from day 1 and be a fan favorite. I think Gay will start over Cortez in 2015, letting him gain some confidence back as 3rd CB
and hopefully starting in 2016. Quicker reaction to the ball can overcome a height disadvantage. It will be a breathe of fresh air to have a CB
with actual ball skills. QB's will become reluctant to throw his way after he takes a few away.

 

[ZACKB]

Nope...no way.

Golson will start from day 1 and be a fan favorite. I think Gay will start over Cortez in 2015, letting him gain some confidence back as 3rd CB
and hopefully starting in 2016. Quicker reaction to the ball can overcome a height disadvantage. It will be a breathe of fresh air to have a CB
with actual ball skills. QB's will become reluctant to throw his way after he takes a few away.

 

[SteelerAl]

Nope...no way.

You think he sucks. We get it. Do you just want to post "he sucks" 20 more times to feel better?

 

[ZACKB]

I actually really like him, just don't like where he was picked. Had it been rd 3 or 4 I would be pumped.

You think he sucks. We get it. Do you just want to post "he sucks" 20 more times to feel better?

 

[freak]

to me thy heavily bet that allen will rebounced and gay n°2 and golson n°3 .. grant sub allen and blake sub one of one the others . . then if allen doesn't rebound (what i suspect ) we should go with allen or grant at n°1 or a free agent before the camp .the biggest problem is at safety safety shamarko show nothing other than st , again we could start allen at fs or a free agent before the camp

 

[ark steel]

I liked him, just not in rd 2. I would have been happy with PJ Williams in rd 2, Golson in rd 3. Don't be surprised if we need a starting corner again after the season.

I haven't been a fan of taking PJ in the 2nd before the draft. PJ wasn't picked for another 22 slots and 2 other corners went in front of him. This tells me that PJ must not have been ranked as high on team boards as the mocks had him.

I didn't pay hardly any attention during the draft, but I would not have expected Golson in round 2.

 

[ark steel]

I hope his ability to catch the ball translates to the NFL.

 

[ZACKB]

Gay and Allen will start, Golson and Grant develop and play in sub packages. Blake leaves after the year and Grant and Golson stay for sub package work. Grant could even up being a decent starter or solid backup. Gay is getting older, so Grant could even take his roster spot in 3-4 years.

 

[Vader]

For the record, Kevin Colbert - not coach Tomlin - made the definitive statement that the Steelers had targeted Golson in the 2nd and were looking to move up for him. Whichever the case, what good reason do you have for not believing it? Why in the world would somebody with the impeccable reputation of Kevin Colbert sit there and make a bold faced lie?

Football people lie all the time. Tomlin came out and said that he fired BA and hired Haley. He also said that Rooney had nothing to do with the decision. Do you believe that? Or did he make a bold faced lie?

I believe Colbert had Golson tagged in the 2nd round. I believe they didn't want Maxx. But I also believe if they had traded up they weren't doing it for Golson.

 

[bermudasteel]

You think he sucks. We get it. Do you just want to post "he sucks" 20 more times to feel better?

Zack has a problem because Golson was picked in the SECOND ROUND and not in the THIRD or FOURTH. Logic says - "Golson WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE in the 3rd or 4th round". Pride says, "Yes, he would have"...

 

[jdell]

90 more pages to go!

 

[bermudasteel]

90 more pages to go!

Trust me - this thread will drag on to 50 pages by the end of the month - someone will throw a spark on the dying embers sometime in June and we just may see your 100 pages come end of pre-season...

 

[deljzc]

to me thy heavily bet that allen will rebounced and gay n°2 and golson n°3 .. grant sub allen and blake sub one of one the others . . then if allen doesn't rebound (what i suspect ) we should go with allen or grant at n°1 or a free agent before the camp .the biggest problem is at safety safety shamarko show nothing other than st , again we could start allen at fs or a free agent before the camp

Agree with this 100%.

This front office and coaching staff are really banking on Cortez Allen being able to do something against bigger WR's because if he's a penalty machine again and struggles mentally or gets benched, we have very few options with size:

William Gay
5101, 182#, 31" arms

Senquez Golson
5085, 176#, 29.75" arms

Antwon Blake
5092, 192#, ?? arms

B.W. Webb
5102, 184#, 30.25" arms