Watt gets paid

[slashsteel]

Nope. I am not saying you are defending Tomlin....I am just giving my opinion that Tomlin holds a large portion of the blame for our offensive issues. That is all. You see talent as partly to blame. I see other teams that open their offense up that have less talent than ours. So I personally believe Tomlin is holding back the offense.......and defense .....and the team in general.

I feel the same way. Not sure anything could change my want for something fresh. Won’t talk about it much but yeah…

 

[diver]

Nope. I am not saying you are defending Tomlin....I am just giving my opinion that Tomlin holds a large portion of the blame for our offensive issues. That is all. You see talent as partly to blame. I see other teams that open their offense up that have less talent than ours. So I personally believe Tomlin is holding back the offense.......and defense .....and the team in general.

He does, we agree. Since he is the coach and seems like he will be as long as I am above ground, I can only hope his arrogance has been muted some after last years mess. And the "that's why I am highly compensated" comment. I know the players are older, but they put together a roster for him now that if things break right, they could really be in the mix. He's gotta know that there isn't any hiding. What'll the excuses be if they don't perform well?

We rescued a dog a few years ago. Lab/beagle mix. I never really thought he'd be much of a hunting dog, so I didn't really shoot around him or anything. We got him as a puppy in late Oct so he didn't hike much through Oct and November of that year. But the next year I'd hike him over the fields of an area they stock with pheasants, and this little bugger turned out to be a hell of a pheasant flusher. But I didn't do any training. So that year I started to carry a gun along, he flushed one or two, but nothing i really could get a decent shot on. Now this past hunting season away we go. He flushes one, perfect setup. I shoot, down goes the pheasant, and off goes the dog. I'm standing there, deciding if I want to go find the pheasant in the thick brush, or go chase the dog. I chased the dog. Turns out he can't handle gun shots. Anyway, I think in a way that describes Tomlin and players. He gets players on offense that can't completely do the things that make an offense competent or even dangerous, for whatever reason. Lack of top end talent or maturity issues or youth issues. The training of the players he has got seems to be lacking as well.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Nope. I am not saying you are defending Tomlin....I am just giving my opinion that Tomlin holds a large portion of the blame for our offensive issues. That is all. You see talent as partly to blame. I see other teams that open their offense up that have less talent than ours. So I personally believe Tomlin is holding back the offense.......and defense .....and the team in general.

I have voiced many times that Coach Tomlin has done the LEAST with the Most.

There is no argument against this statement other than someone coming up with some excuse to which Tomlin has made an art of using to explain his career.

That non-losing season and how hard that is to do is just crap. Yes it is hard to do, but at what cost…….?

The “Standard” use to be so much higher than the non-losing season………. But then again the fan-base is being replaced with fans that were given participation trophies and told they were the best, regardless of outcome.

Can Coach Tomlin change enough of the wrong to make it a higher season,…..doubtful in one year……

Myself, I have endless HOPE on my side. I also think we deserve more than 1 playoff win.




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[WindyCitySteel]

Nope. I am not saying you are defending Tomlin....I am just giving my opinion that Tomlin holds a large portion of the blame for our offensive issues. That is all. You see talent as partly to blame. I see other teams that open their offense up that have less talent than ours. So I personally believe Tomlin is holding back the offense.......and defense .....and the team in general.

Of course he is, he is a megalomaniac who only knows how to manage and hide from risk. Vanilla D, lack of blitzing, vanilla O, lack of MOF/audibles/motion.

Line up and beat your man. It’s why good schemers and planners coach circles around the Steelers, even if the Steelers have more talent.

Which is why the report that came out today should not surprise anyone: The Steelers have the smallest coaching staff in the league. 19 coaches, average is 24.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Of course he is, he is a megalomaniac who only knows how to manage and hide from risk. Vanilla D, lack of blitzing, vanilla O, lack of MOF/audibles/motion.

Line up and beat your man. It’s why good schemers and planners coach circles around the Steelers, even if the Steelers have more talent.

Which is why the report that came out today should not surprise anyone: The Steelers have the smallest coaching staff in the league. 19 coaches, average is 24.

On the low pay towards the assistant coaches (it’s also documented we have one of the lowest paid staffs) and smallest staff: I’d love to be a fly on the wall and know if this is something Rooney just lets Tomlin do because Tomlin wants it that way or something Rooney encourages/mandates to save money/be more old school towards the staff numbers.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

On the low pay towards the assistant coaches (it’s also documented we have one of the lowest paid staffs) and smallest staff: I’d love to be a fly on the wall and know if this is something Rooney just lets Tomlin do because Tomlin wants it that way or something Rooney encourages/mandates to save money/be more old school towards the staff numbers.

Considering the Rooney's are the second least wealthy owners in the league and one of only a very small few who's wealth is directly tied to the team the financial side is likely a real consideration. They have to put all guaranteed contract money in escrow for player contracts. That is not as easy for the Rooney's or Browns of the World.

 

[diver]

I have voiced many times that Coach Tomlin has done the LEAST with the Most.

There is no argument against this statement other than someone coming up with some excuse to which Tomlin has made an art of using to explain his career.

That non-losing season and how hard that is to do is just crap. Yes it is hard to do, but at what cost…….?

The “Standard” use to be so much higher than the non-losing season………. But then again the fan-base is being replaced with fans that were given participation trophies and told they were the best, regardless of outcome.

Can Coach Tomlin change enough of the wrong to make it a higher season,…..doubtful in one year……

Myself, I have endless HOPE on my side. I also think we deserve more than 1 playoff win.




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My response to that is a hopeful response. I know you remember after they lost to New England in the 2004 AFCC game, there were so many on here that said if Cowher can't win it after 14 years, or whatever it was, he never will. I had that feeling too in prior years with him, but didn't after that one. I felt he finally had his QB. But he showed the past doesn't matter. Each year is a stand alone.

I hope too.

 

[diver]

On the low pay towards the assistant coaches (it’s also documented we have one of the lowest paid staffs) and smallest staff: I’d love to be a fly on the wall and know if this is something Rooney just lets Tomlin do because Tomlin wants it that way or something Rooney encourages/mandates to save money/be more old school towards the staff numbers.

I don't care how big the staff is. I just want a better staff. You don't need that many coaches if the ones you have are good at what they do. You don't want too many voices.

 

[diver]

Of course he is, he is a megalomaniac who only knows how to manage and hide from risk. Vanilla D, lack of blitzing, vanilla O, lack of MOF/audibles/motion.

Line up and beat your man. It’s why good schemers and planners coach circles around the Steelers, even if the Steelers have more talent.

Which is why the report that came out today should not surprise anyone: The Steelers have the smallest coaching staff in the league. 19 coaches, average is 24.

But at the end of the day, that is what players have to do, regardless of scheme. Don't argue with me, read "Three Bricks Shy of a Load" to get Noll's view on that. Take issue with his assessment. Maybe the Steelers don't have the talent we think they do , for whatever reason. Pickens, for example, his head is harnessing his talent. On some level it's our fault for believing the lies. Darnell Washington or whoever looks unstoppable in camp! Well, where is that when the games start? Maybe the defense he is going against in camp isn't really that good. Well, we eat this up, think they are so damn talented when maybe they ain't. Why can't Tomlin take advantage of the talent?! Maybe we should be asking more, "what the hell kind of talent is he picking?"

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Considering the Rooney's are the second least wealthy owners in the league and one of only a very small few whose wealth is directly tied to the team the financial side is likely a real consideration. They have to put all guaranteed contract money in escrow for player contracts. That is not as easy for the Rooney's or Browns of the World.

I hope you’re not using that to excuse having a smaller coaching staff.

They’re set for life 3 generations from now minimum

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

I don't care how big the staff is. I just want a better staff. You don't need that many coaches if the ones you have are good at what they do. You don't want too many voices.

Disagree.

Those guys work 16+ hours a day in season, no excuse for skimping on their pay or how many there are. The prep work is massive.

Not to mention scouting for the draft, you can’t have enough of that and our drafts haven’t been good since before Colbert left

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I hope you’re not using that to excuse having a smaller coaching staff.

They’re set for life 3 generations from now minimum

Having assets and having liquidity are two VERY different things. I am not saying it is THE reason, but it certainly could be a part of it. Would you rather the spent their cash o hand on players or more coaches? If you think it is not a concern then you need to dig into the finances of the Rooney and Brown families a bit more. Bot have the majority of their wealth on paper in the value of the teams they own, not in liquid assets.

 

[BLITZ]

Having assets and having liquidity are two VERY different things. I am not saying it is THE reason, but it certainly could be a part of it. Would you rather the spent their cash o hand on players or more coaches? If you think it is not a concern then you need to dig into the finances of the Rooney and Brown families a bit more. Bot have the majority of their wealth on paper in the value of the teams they own, not in liquid assets.

We should start a gofundme.

 

[diver]

Disagree.

Those guys work 16+ hours a day in season, no excuse for skimping on their pay or how many there are. The prep work is massive.

Not to mention scouting for the draft, you can’t have enough of that and our drafts haven’t been good since before Colbert left

You may be right, I concede that. But to me, for the love, this is football. They aren't preparing to send a rocket ship into space with people on board. Or doing brain surgery.

 

[BLITZ]

Disagree.

Those guys work 16+ hours a day in season, no excuse for skimping on their pay or how many there are. The prep work is massive.

Not to mention scouting for the draft, you can’t have enough of that and our drafts haven’t been good since before Colbert left

Small coaching staff doesn't mean small scouting staff

 

[Drink IRON City]

On the low pay towards the assistant coaches (it’s also documented we have one of the lowest paid staffs) and smallest staff: I’d love to be a fly on the wall and know if this is something Rooney just lets Tomlin do because Tomlin wants it that way or something Rooney encourages/mandates to save money/be more old school towards the staff numbers.

I think it is in the team history. They have always seemed to have a small coaching staff.

In Tomlin’s case, I think he wants a small staff with all being able to say YES.



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[Avoid_Lloyd]

You may be right, I concede that. But to me, for the love, this is football. They aren't preparing to send a rocket ship into space with people on board. Or doing brain surgery.

Good lord

So first I guess you have a deep knowledge of rocket ships, brain surgery, and NFL coaching to make that comparison right?

These are the best coaches on the planet working 16 hours a day doing everything in their power to win like their careers depend in it and you make that comment. In many ways they work harder than a brain surgeon or the people who make “rocket ships” lol and while it might not be as important as what a surgeon does in many ways their field is even more competitive and cut throat and just as complex in its own way

If you don’t care that much because “it’s the years man” you be you

You clearly don’t have much knowledge of how hard they work and how much they care and how much of a difference 4 more of them would make. You clearly don’t appreciate the difference great coaches can make from average coaches. But it’s those darn players that can’t overcome coaching by themselves and win playoff games right??? I mean this stuff is pretty simple, it’s just football right??? No one innovates, out works, or out schemes to win games?

Youve made one of the most galactically dumb comments that I’ve seen in a while, congrats

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Having assets and having liquidity are two VERY different things. I am not saying it is THE reason, but it certainly could be a part of it. Would you rather the spent their cash o hand on players or more coaches? If you think it is not a concern then you need to dig into the finances of the Rooney and Brown families a bit more. Bot have the majority of their wealth on paper in the value of the teams they own, not in liquid assets.

Thats quite a claim that the Rooney family is short on cash, let’s see some evidence since you’ve done all this research on their finances. As if their finances are public knowledge…but I’ll wait…

If you think they can’t afford to pay a few more coaches you’re nuts. The merchandise and TV deals alone are making them filthy rich

If they really can’t afford to pay as much as the rest of the league for assistant coaches then they should sell the team, but I’ll wait for some evidence to back up your claim

 

[diver]

Good lord

So first I guess you have a deep knowledge of rocket ships, brain surgery, and NFL coaching to make that comparison right?

These are the best coaches on the planet working 16 hours a day doing everything in their power to win like their careers depend in it and you make that comment. In many ways they work harder than a brain surgeon or the people who make “rocket ships” lol and while it might not be as important as what a surgeon does in many ways their field is even more competitive and cut throat and just as complex in its own way

If you don’t care that much because “it’s the years man” you be you

You clearly don’t have much knowledge of how hard they work and how much they care and how much of a difference 4 more of them would make. You clearly don’t appreciate the difference great coaches can make from average coaches. But it’s those darn players that can’t overcome coaching by themselves and win playoff games right??? I mean this stuff is pretty simple, it’s just football right??? No one innovates, out works, or out schemes to win games?

Youve made one of the most galactically dumb comments that I’ve seen in a while, congrats

The comment was not intended as a comparison of how hard each profession works. It was meant more as a observation on the level of importance we place on things. Again, it's just football.

 

[Coryea]

I read Watt's new deal is actually a smaller percentage of the salary cap than his contract extension in 2021.

They just said that on the fan here in Pittsburgh, I think this contract is 13% of the cap, his former contract was 18% of the cap.

I'm fine with this, they aren't paying a franchise QB contract, and even if they find that guy in the 2026 draft, they won't have to give him a big contract until what 2030? Watt's deal will obviously be done by then, so this contract doesn't hamper getting a franchise QB in anyway.

 

[diver]

Thats quite a claim that the Rooney family is short on cash, let’s see some evidence since you’ve done all this research on their finances. As if their finances are public knowledge…but I’ll wait…

If you think they can’t afford to pay a few more coaches you’re nuts. The merchandise and TV deals alone are making them filthy rich

If they really can’t afford to pay as much as the rest of the league then they should sell the team, but I’ll wait for some evidence to back up your claim

It is not about the amount of coaches. There are teams that have more coaches than the Steelers who fare better, but then there are teams with more coaches who fare worse. It's about getting good coaches. The Steelers are lacking there. Just get good damn coaches, size of the staff is far less important.

 

[jitter77]

My response to that is a hopeful response. I know you remember after they lost to New England in the 2004 AFCC game, there were so many on here that said if Cowher can't win it after 14 years, or whatever it was, he never will. I had that feeling too in prior years with him, but didn't after that one. I felt he finally had his QB. But he showed the past doesn't matter. Each year is a stand alone.

I hope too.

The main difference to me is that I felt like we had a chance with Cowher. With Tomlin going into the playoffs I just wonder how much they are going to lose by. Part of it has to do with matchups as well. With Cowher NE had our number, but anyone else was fair game. Under Tomlin there are several teams i feel we have no chance against. The most frustrating thing is when the team is allowed to play they do ok then we inexplicably revert back to highschool ball

 

[Drink IRON City]

Considering the Rooney's are the second least wealthy owners in the league and one of only a very small few who's wealth is directly tied to the team the financial side is likely a real consideration. They have to put all guaranteed contract money in escrow for player contracts. That is not as easy for the Rooney's or Browns of the World.

Oh my goodness, sell the ****-ing team if it’s such a hardship.

They were one of the smallest markets in the NFL pre-salary cap and managed to put competitive teams on the field of play.

Cowher did wonders with his coaching staff.

Why all of a sudden is it a financial disgrace that is holding the coaching back under the Tomlincept regim…..???

Enquiring minds want to know……….



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[Drink IRON City]

They just said that on the fan here in Pittsburgh, I think this contract is 13% of the cap, his former contract was 18% of the cap.

I'm fine with this, they aren't paying a franchise QB contract, and even if they find that guy in the 2026 draft, they won't have to give him a big contract until what 2030? Watt's deal will obviously be done by then, so this contract doesn't hamper getting a franchise QB in anyway.

That was my first take, afford Watt and expire about the time a QB will need payed.



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[Avoid_Lloyd]

It is not about the amount of coaches. There are teams that have more coaches than the Steelers who fare better, but then there are teams with more coaches who fare worse. It's about getting good coaches. The Steelers are lacking there. Just get good damn coaches, size of the staff is far less important.

Why don’t you drive over to the closest university and ask them what kind of difference 4 more full time football coaches would make? Then double that importance at the next level

You know so little about what you’re talking about it’s pitiful