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[SteelerInLebanon]

Didn't you say that exact same thing about Russ last season?

For one game he was. Lol. Russ was never half the QB Aaron is and was. Whether he still has it or not physically we will see but Russ never really ever used the middle of the field, Aaron has his whole career. Russ was more like Ben but shorter. A seat of his pants guy. Rodgers had that but also was a bit more cerebral of a player. If his arm is still good and he can still direct an offense, we will be better than we were last year.

Russ was a step up from Fields in the middle of the season but he got figured out.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I’ll give you one more chance:

You say you’re for hiring more assistant coaches “if they can and will hire good people”

Why has that been hard in the past and will be tough in the future for the Pittsburgh Steelers, a flagship NFL franchise that holds on to its coaches for a long time? Who controls the hiring and firing of assistant coaches and would be in charge of hiring good/qualified people?

I am not totally unhappy with the current roster of coaches. If they hire more, fine if they don't, I am also content to see what they do with the guys they have. They didn't stand pat and bring back the exact same crew and they added a position.

 

[NoKap#7]

Just turn on any game on any given Sunday during football season and you will see teams throwing to the middle of the field. Hell. If you tune into a Steeler game you will see it every other pass. For some reason our ILBers drop 10 to 15 yards into coverage simply giving up the short underneath pass....usually that will be on a 3rd and short.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2025/6/11/24445980/2024-quarterback-performance-deep-dive

I found this website that did a performance analysis of all QBS in the league last season with at least 200 pass attempts. Contrary to what i thought the middle of the field is thrown to as much as 3 times or more than any other part of the field throughout the league and Russell Wilson was around the league average tied w/ P Mahomes in the 15/16 spots with about 68% of his passes being thrown to that part of the field. Brock Purdy threw more to the middle of the field then any other QB at 87%. Having an offensive minded coach who is really good at what he does easily explains why. On the deep mid balls the % of balls thrown to that part of the field will start to even up with balls thrown to the left or right throughout the league. For R. Wilson his deep left balls were thrown almost twice as much as either his deep mid or deep right.


The analysis pointed out that R Wilson had the best intermediate (11-19 yds) IQR (passer rating) at 143, but he only had 39 intermediate attempts. For comparison Burrow had 134 attempts. This seems like this was a QB issue not a coaching or scheme issue for the Steelers. R. Wilson loved the deep ball and it cost the Steelers more then helped them in last 5 or 6 games of the year as they played against higher tier defenses which is likely why the Steelers looked to move on from him. He seemed to have an issue with taking what the defenses were likely giving to him. This may have made the OL look worse then they actually were when he took coverage sacks trying to wait for routes to come open.

If you look at the short range Wilson had 172 attempts whereas Joe Burrow had 363 attempts (leader) and 61% of those passes were to short middle compared to Wilsons 49%. If anybody is wondering Rodgers had 300 short attempts (2nd) and attempted 58% of those passes to the middle, 74% of his passes overall were attempted BLOS (behind the line of scrimmage) to the middle of the field (compared to Wilson 68%). His Intermediate mid range pass attempts were 44% to the middle of the field (compared to his mid left/26 right/30). He did have over 100 attempts mid range but his Cmp % 44.7 and IQR/52 were really bad. Rodgers had a higher % of pass attempts deep mid then Wilson, but overall his deep ball completion % regardless of where he threw was 10% less than Wilson even though he had more deep ball attempts (57 to 42).

So basically expect the middle of the field to be used more by Rodgers, but dont be surprised if his completion percentages are mid level regardless if the ball is thrown short, intermediate, or deep. I just think with his age his reaction time is just not going to be there.

 

[diver]

I am not totally unhappy with the current roster of coaches. If they hire more, fine if they don't, I am also content to see what they do with the guys they have. They didn't stand pat and bring back the exact same crew and they added a position.

See, I think Lloyd is right there. The coaching hasn't been good enough. I'm just not sure adding coaches is the sure fire answer. It may be. I'd rather they move on from Tomlin before they add anything. My hope is his arrogance was finally muted some last season after the way it ended and the "that's why I'm highly compensated" comment. It's all we have, since they just won't move on. Let's see if anything really changes.

This has been one of the stranger arguments I've ever been in. I began by conceding that I may be wrong, by conceding that I don't look at football as so complex like others and that I think the requirement should first be better coaches before just adding coaches. By the end of the argument, I was a Tomlin apologist again. I think maybe where the argument begins may be the issue. I'm not even going to waste my time wih the attitude "They should have fired Tomlin!" Yeah, they should have, but they don't, and they probably won't. So start in reality. So do people think adding coaches to this present situation would be that advantageous? As others pointed out, would Tomlin be open to it, or would these extra coaches just be like wall paintings?

All I know is I want better coaching. I don't care if that is more, the same or less.

 

[insaniti]

See, I think Lloyd is right there. The coaching hasn't been good enough. I'm just not sure adding coaches is the sure fire answer. It may be. I'd rather they move on from Tomlin before they add anything. My hope is his arrogance was finally muted some last season after the way it ended and the "that's why I'm highly compensated" comment. It's all we have, since they just won't move on. Let's see if anything really changes.

This has been one of the stranger arguments I've ever been in. I began by conceding that I may be wrong, by conceding that I don't look at football as so complex like others and that I think the requirement should first be better coaches before just adding coaches. By the end of the argument, I was a Tomlin apologist again. I think maybe where the argument begins may be the issue. I'm not even going to waste my time wih the attitude "They should have fired Tomlin!" Yeah, they should have, but they don't, and they probably won't. So start in reality. So do people think adding coaches to this present situation would be that advantageous? As others pointed out, would Tomlin be open to it, or would these extra coaches just be like wall paintings?

All I know is I want better coaching. I don't care if that is more, the same or less.

That's just how arguments on this board go sometimes. Words get twisted and turned to fit agenda's.

To answer the final questions you had there, adding coaches would do nothing to the current situation of coaching. If Tomlin has his hands in everything, and doesn't let his coordinators free range, why would lower assistance get free range to do their job? It's just common sense. We could add in the run game/pass game coordinators/assistance, but they would all answer to Tomlin who has final say anyway.

I agree with you however. As unfortunate as it is, they are not going to fire Mike Tomlin. Our best hope is that he steps away on his own sooner rather than later. If not, the other option is them NOT extending him and he coaches out his current extension. Either way, it seems like we will have Mike Tomlin as the coach of the Steelers as long as Mike Tomlin wants to be the coach of the Steelers. And that's not defending him one bit, that's just the reality of the situation we are in.

So many other coaches from other franchises would have been let go by now, the way we are losing playoff games would have surely ushered them out the door.

 

[Coryea]

See, I think Lloyd is right there. The coaching hasn't been good enough. I'm just not sure adding coaches is the sure fire answer. It may be. I'd rather they move on from Tomlin before they add anything. My hope is his arrogance was finally muted some last season after the way it ended and the "that's why I'm highly compensated" comment. It's all we have, since they just won't move on. Let's see if anything really changes.

This has been one of the stranger arguments I've ever been in. I began by conceding that I may be wrong, by conceding that I don't look at football as so complex like others and that I think the requirement should first be better coaches before just adding coaches. By the end of the argument, I was a Tomlin apologist again. I think maybe where the argument begins may be the issue. I'm not even going to waste my time wih the attitude "They should have fired Tomlin!" Yeah, they should have, but they don't, and they probably won't. So start in reality. So do people think adding coaches to this present situation would be that advantageous? As others pointed out, would Tomlin be open to it, or would these extra coaches just be like wall paintings?

All I know is I want better coaching. I don't care if that is more, the same or less.

No Tomlin isn't and wouldn't be open to it, we just saw that play out here with Flores, we're going to have the highest paid defense for a 4th straight season and we let him walk out the door and kept Austin. Tomlin took control from a HOF DC in LeBeau, there's no way in hell he's going to let someone come in here and not do things his way, that's why we keep hiring the coordinators we do.

 

[Badcat]

No Tomlin isn't and wouldn't be open to it, we just saw that play out here with Flores, we're going to have the highest paid defense for a 4th straight season and we let him walk out the door and kept Austin. Tomlin took control from a HOF DC in LeBeau, there's no way in hell he's going to let someone come in here and not do things his way, that's why we keep hiring the coordinators we do.