Good Zinger on how Steelers currently doin business

[NormalJake]

I always think I'm getting the big one....

That's what she said

 

[diver]

Thats fine. Now that you have been an adult for many years, how many big bucks and big fish?

More big fish than big bucks.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Ingram, Blount, Williams, even Deebo might disagree.

If you are saying those guys were foisted upon Tomlin I strongly disagree. All were insurance policies but he never had to make a claim because players in front of them were wokhorses.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Like I said I am sure Tomlin has input, but the Khan man seems to run the ship IMHO, he certainly takes input, but I feel that Weidel may have more influence in the decisions than even Tomlin.

Well me and Ben Roethlisberger strongly disagree:
While Omar Khan is the general manager, Roethlisberger believes Tomlin ultimately makes most of the key decisions, with Mr. Rooney potentially vetoing them if necessary. Roethlisberger has also criticized Tomlin's perceived inability to adapt and develop young quarterbacks, while also acknowledging Tomlin's long tenure and the power that comes with it.

 

[Litos]

I had zero problem with the pick. And for me to **** on it is simply revisionist history. Very few people thought he would be there when the Steelers picked. They had the Steelers taking Malik Willis who went in the third. But there is no pick, FA or trade happening on this team without Mike Tomlins approval. None. He is the 18 year HC of the team. I'd say he can be talked into things. And Kevin Colbert probably had a lot more to do with that the Omar Kahn.

I'm on record here wanting McDuffie at the time of the pick and I wasn't the only one. **** the reaching for need, get the best value and aim for a QB when value matches draft position or wait it out for the following season or get a darn free agent.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Well me and Ben Roethlisberger strongly disagree:
While Omar Khan is the general manager, Roethlisberger believes Tomlin ultimately makes most of the key decisions, with Mr. Rooney potentially vetoing them if necessary. Roethlisberger has also criticized Tomlin's perceived inability to adapt and develop young quarterbacks, while also acknowledging Tomlin's long tenure and the power that comes with it.

Ben had a lot to do with the not drafting and developing young QB's. As I have said repeatedly most teams can't draft and develop QB's effectively.

 

[stuntmanmike]

I'll say this about this team is going to be a tough out... this is a team hard too predict exactly what its going to do but it is full of guys that know how to win... won't be surprised if it hits a hot streak and goes all the way... why not? the key is the offensive line if we had munch coaching those young guys id be at the betters window right now the talent is there... I'm thinking between Frazier and the qb they will get enough from this line to cause all sorts of trouble!!! same with the defense I think, with this pass rush, Ramsey goes to the probowl! these guys know how to win.... loading up on the Geritol for one more roll in the hay... why not better than fukn tanking!!!! GoSteelers!!!!

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'll say this about this team is going to be a tough out... this is a team hard too predict exactly what its going to do but it is full of guys that know how to win... won't be surprised if it hits a hot streak and goes all the way... why not? the key is the offensive line if we had munch coaching those young guys id be at the betters window right now the talent is there... I'm thinking between Frazier and the qb they will get enough from this line to cause all sorts of trouble!!! same with the defense I think, with this pass rush, Ramsey goes to the probowl! these guys know how to win.... loading up on the Geritol for one more roll in the hay... why not better than fukn tanking!!!! GoSteelers!!!!

Go all the way. To what. C'mon. To out of the Wild Card Round. They can't even win the division.

 

[Confluence]

If you are saying those guys were foisted upon Tomlin I strongly disagree. All were insurance policies but he never had to make a claim because players in front of them were wokhorses.

Van Jefferson last season was a workhorse?

 

[SteelerSask2]

Van Jefferson last season was a workhorse?

Ever coach football? You have starters and backups and last players on the roster. Just because guys don't play doesnt mean the HC didnt choose him on the roster. Now other coaches and certainly the gm have sway. Im not saying that. But HC Mike Tomlin is the bottom line on all decisions unless ownership overides. Not Kahn, not Weidl, Not Smith. So if anyone thinks that they announced oh Mike we are trading a multiple pro bowl safety Fitzpatrick for Ramsey and Smith and a flip of picks........tone down on the weed bro.

 

[Confluence]

Ever coach football? You have starters and backups and last players on the roster. Just because guys don't play doesnt mean the HC didnt choose him on the roster. Now other coaches and certainly the gm have sway. Im not saying that. But HC Mike Tomlin is the bottom line on all decisions unless ownership overides. Not Kahn, not Weidl, Not Smith. So if anyone thinks that they announced oh Mike we are trading a multiple pro bowl safety Fitzpatrick for Ramsey and Smith and a flip of picks........tone down on the weed bro.

Guess it wasn't obvious enough: the team acquired Williams last season for a pick; first game one target: nice long TD. Exactly the production needed from WR2.
Then he ride pine while Jefferson did not much; Similar to Preston Smith on the other side of the ball; good start then somehow couldn't get on the field.
Both were assets acquired by using draft capital, and both seemed underutilized; like the HC wasnt on the same page as the GM.

Maybe you take a couple puffs, chill a bit. Or grab a gummy.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Guess it wasn't obvious enough: the team acquired Williams last season for a pick; first game one target: nice long TD. Exactly the production needed from WR2.
Then he ride pine while Jefferson did not much; Similar to Preston Smith on the other side of the ball; good start then somehow couldn't get on the field.
Both were assets acquired by using draft capital, and both seemed underutilized; like the HC wasnt on the same page as the GM.

Maybe you take a couple puffs, chill a bit. Or grab a gummy.

So the two year GM who was probably chosen by the owner cause he could work with Tomlin is foisting players on the 17 year head coach. It's a theory we could debate but seems pointless. Im typically a rye and beer guy. New weed is too ******.

 

[diver]

Go all the way. To what. C'mon. To out of the Wild Card Round. They can't even win the division.

I understand what you are saying, but I question the idea that a team has to bottom out to eventually get good. Or more importantly, win championships, because that's what it is about with Steeler fans. If that would be the case, the Bengals, Browns, etc would have multiple Super Bowl trophies.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I understand what you are saying, but I question the idea that a team has to bottom out to eventually get good. Or more importantly, win championships, because that's what it is about with Steeler fans. If that would be the case, the Bengals, Browns, etc would have multiple Super Bowl trophies.

You are correct.
The bottom out is 100% not necessary in NFL.
A little more significant in a draft like the NBA to pick top 1-3 where the elite players are few and only 5 starters on a team.

If the draft were an exact science and the best players went in perfect order of talent that “bottom out” theory may gain a bit of credibility.

Some teams simply can’t seem to grab their necessary franchise QB without a bit of bottom out. The Steelers appear to be closer to that group than the ones that can find a QB in the back half of the first.

Teams that are fearless towards acquiring the franchise QB and have conviction in their guy will move assets to go up and get him when necessary. It just so happens the Steelers haven’t made this sort of move in a long time instead waiting for QBs to drop in their lap…thank you Cleveland! They allowed a Steeler “bottom out” to coincide with a great QB draft and gift wrapped us fans a franchise QB when they took the Warrior Winslow. They really Stained that move setting up the Steelers quite nicely.

Unfortunately the most recent time the Steelers made a significant move upwards it was for Bush rather than a franchise QB and that didn’t fair too well for them. Then they made the boneheaded move of drafting KFP when they perceived he “fell in their lap” even though it was a case of drafting marginal talent too early.

With the capital they have most expect a move up next year to finally take another swing. Hopefully Khan/Weidl can hit one hard.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

So the two year GM who was probably chosen by the owner cause he could work with Tomlin is foisting players on the 17 year head coach. It's a theory we could debate but seems pointless. Im typically a rye and beer guy. New weed is too ******.

Find a delta-8 THC shop, it’s like the stuff back in the 80’s. I agree, the new delta-9 stuff is supercharged, no idea how people function on that.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

You are correct.
The bottom out is 100% not necessary in NFL.
A little more significant in a draft like the NBA to pick top 1-3 where the elite players are few and only 5 starters on a team.

If the draft were an exact science and the best players went in perfect order of talent that “bottom out” theory may gain a bit of credibility.

Some teams simply can’t seem to grab their necessary franchise QB without a bit of bottom out. The Steelers appear to be closer to that group than the ones that can find a QB in the back half of the first.

Teams that are fearless towards acquiring the franchise QB and have conviction in their guy will move assets to go up and get him when necessary. It just so happens the Steelers haven’t made this sort of move in a long time instead waiting for QBs to drop in their lap…thank you Cleveland! They allowed a Steeler “bottom out” to coincide with a great QB draft and gift wrapped us fans a franchise QB when they took the Warrior Winslow. They really Stained that move setting up the Steelers quite nicely.

Unfortunately the most recent time the Steelers made a significant move upwards it was for Bush rather than a franchise QB and that didn’t fair too well for them. Then they made the boneheaded move of drafting KFP when they perceived he “fell in their lap” even though it was a case of drafting marginal talent too early.

With the capital they have most expect a move up next year to finally take another swing. Hopefully Khan/Weidl can hit one hard.

Gotta have a plan, Steelers really dropped the ball here. Should have handed the baton to Lamar or Hurts after Ben shredded his elbow, but they literally waited until he retired to start thinking of a succession plan.

 

[Drink IRON City]

You are correct.
The bottom out is 100% not necessary in NFL.
A little more significant in a draft like the NBA to pick top 1-3 where the elite players are few and only 5 starters on a team.

If the draft were an exact science and the best players went in perfect order of talent that “bottom out” theory may gain a bit of credibility.

Some teams simply can’t seem to grab their necessary franchise QB without a bit of bottom out. The Steelers appear to be closer to that group than the ones that can find a QB in the back half of the first.

Teams that are fearless towards acquiring the franchise QB and have conviction in their guy will move assets to go up and get him when necessary. It just so happens the Steelers haven’t made this sort of move in a long time instead waiting for QBs to drop in their lap…thank you Cleveland! They allowed a Steeler “bottom out” to coincide with a great QB draft and gift wrapped us fans a franchise QB when they took the Warrior Winslow. They really Stained that move setting up the Steelers quite nicely.

Unfortunately the most recent time the Steelers made a significant move upwards it was for Bush rather than a franchise QB and that didn’t fair too well for them. Then they made the boneheaded move of drafting KFP when they perceived he “fell in their lap” even though it was a case of drafting marginal talent too early.

With the capital they have most expect a move up next year to finally take another swing. Hopefully Khan/Weidl can hit one hard.

Excellent post and by no means of drawing attention away…

1) If Tomlin would actually coach by his TRUE gut feeling instead of labeling his failures to a gut feeling result.

2). Crediting his “gut” feeling for the success instead of his standard BRAVADO of being well compensated for those type of decisions.

3). Where am I going with this point…….. is similar to Tomlin answering the difficult questions by leaving as big a question mark as to before his answer attempt.

4). GUT FEELING





Salute the nation

 

[ZonaBurgh]

He'll never have a "non-losing season" on his resume.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He'll never have a "non-losing season" on his resume.
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So 39-28-1 vs Mike’s 38-29-1 over the past 4 seasons.

Somehow the Lion’s ride to a very similar 4 year record looks much more fun…they also appear to be an actual legit contender with their record where it counts going 2-2 in the playoffs and being in a competitive NFCCG whereas Mike in that same time period has mustered up 0-3 scoring 53 points compared to the opponents 101 where the WC game is over by halftime. One team’s arrow is definitely pointing up while the other team ??? maybe so with the recent roster flip.

Can’t help but really like the way Dan coaches, a far more exciting brand of football and I’d wager the separation between he and the greatest coach ever will grow in the coming years now that he’s went through the pain of building the foundation where a dumpster fire was once raging.

 

[SteveA]

He gets what he wants and a perfect example is Rodgers.
Tomlin wanted Rodgers come hell or high water and he got him.

He's the God Damn Head Coach, of course he tries at every turn get what players he wants...What Coach wouldn't?

And a great GM will try to get him his man, if he can...

 

[Coryea]

Like I said I am sure Tomlin has input, but the Khan man seems to run the ship IMHO, he certainly takes input, but I feel that Weidel may have more influence in the decisions than even Tomlin.

Tomlin interviewed the GM candidates. Khan is just a number/cap guru, Tomlin is the GM. How many coaches interview the GM candidates?

 

[Coryea]

Ben had a lot to do with the not drafting and developing young QB's. As I have said repeatedly most teams can't draft and develop QB's effectively.

How's that? Because Rudolph came across as a smug douche after the draft so Ben didn't go out of his way to help him?

Looking at Rudolph's career, I'd say Ben was right.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Of course he was!

 

[Coryea]

Of course he was!

Oh wait, Ben's an *******, Ben is a horrible teammate, Ben hates Mason, Mason sucks because Ben didn't coddle him, Ben held Matt Canada back, Ben is the reason AB is the way he is, Ben is the reason Bell left, Ben is the reason we hired Randy Fichtner, Ben just handed the ball off as a rookie and in 05. I think I got it now.

 

[Litos]

Oh wait, Ben's an *******, Ben is a horrible teammate, Ben hates Mason, Mason sucks because Ben didn't coddle him, Ben held Matt Canada back, Ben is the reason AB is the way he is, Ben is the reason Bell left, Ben is the reason we hired Randy Fichtner, Ben just handed the ball off as a rookie and in 05. I think I got it now.

Ben kicked a kid in the butt just because