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Steelers have traded for Jalen Ramsey.

insaniti said:
All this makes the claims from people that they could move Ramsey to safety laughable. So Minkah's lack of splash plays is why they moved on from his contract, and the solution is to trade for a more bloated contract, for an older player, and put him in the same spot and expect better results?? Moving Ramsey to safety would be dumb.
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Actually, the fact that you can't understand the Steelers would only even consider that scenario in case of an injury to Thornhill is laughable. I put it out there as a possibility, since you seem to have already convinced yourself that Thornhill is automatically going to be unable to play despite starting 22 games over the last two seasons.
 
topseed said:
Actually, the fact that you can't understand the Steelers would only even consider that scenario in case of an injury to Thornhill is laughable. I put it out there as a possibility, since you seem to have already convinced yourself that Thornhill is automatically going to be unable to play despite starting 22 games over the last two seasons.
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In case of injury wasn't the scenario that was presented, and is something COMPLETELY different. The fact that Thornhill started 22 games over the last two seasons, doesn't negate the fact that he also missed 12 games the past two seasons. That is the reason that he was even available. IF he can stay healthy, GREAT... but the two years in a row, missing six games EACH season, and for the SAME injury is a major cause for concern. And if Ramsey is the only plan at the back-up FS spot, God help us all... because a 34 yr old Slay is certainly going to play all 17 games and every defensive snap without worry right?

But by all means, present a scenario that didn't exist in my argument against moving the CB we just traded for and are about to pay $26,000,000 this year to FS where we just shipped out an ACTUAL FS that was set to make $23,000,000 because he wasn't making enough splash plays playing 25 yards off the LOS.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Talk about a coach, Coach Cowher took a rookie QB and went 15-0 as a starter. Won a Super Bowl the second year with him.

Cowher’s defense was solid and not the highest paid defense in the NFL.

Even prior to Ben, Cowher seemed to be able to keep the PO games competitive.



Salute the nation
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Yeah Cowher was 7-8 in the postseason, with 4 AFCCG appearances and a Super Bowl without a franchise QB, but since Tomlin doesn't have a franchise QB he doesn't have to be competitive.
 
I don't think it's coincidence that when Minkah came in and didn't know the D he played lights out. I feel like he has become Tomlinized and just started going through the motions. I would not be happy either if we use 2 DL and would have to constantly tackle RBs speeding at me. Coverages are tough to sort out blame, but there seems to be an issue across the board when passing off players between zones. I think the scheme is just too vanilla and passive which leads large gaps due to not wanting players to get behind you. Troy drove LeBeau crazy because he would go off-script, but his instincts were so good. He also had the perfect partner with Clark. I feel that Tomlin wouldn't have let Troy be Troy and we would be talking about Troy being a bust. My main issue is Tomlin doesn't see anything wrong with his schemes and doesn't try to adjust he just tries a different player and expects different results.
 
insaniti said:
In case of injury wasn't the scenario that was presented, and is something COMPLETELY different. The fact that Thornhill started 22 games over the last two seasons, doesn't negate the fact that he also missed 12 games the past two seasons. That is the reason that he was even available. IF he can stay healthy, GREAT... but the two years in a row, missing six games EACH season, and for the SAME injury is a major cause for concern. And if Ramsey is the only plan at the back-up FS spot, God help us all... because a 34 yr old Slay is certainly going to play all 17 games and every defensive snap without worry right?

But by all means, present a scenario that didn't exist in my argument against moving the CB we just traded for and are about to pay $26,000,000 this year to FS where we just shipped out an ACTUAL FS that was set to make $23,000,000 because he wasn't making enough splash plays playing 25 yards off the LOS.
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I get your main point about moving JR but we are not about to pay 26M this year. Cap hit will be way less
 
Litos said:
I get your main point about moving JR but we are not about to pay 26M this year. Cap hit will be way less
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His cap hit might be less, but this year we will pay him $26m.

Ok I stand corrected a LITTLE bit. He will make $26m this year, the dolphins are covering $7m of that, and the Steelers will pay the rest.


edit-you also have to add in the $6.8m this year and next for Minkah's dead cap hits.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
I am simply looking at the track record of teams who lose franchise QBS, nothing more nothing less. It is almost always a **** show of epic proportions. It is rare to see otherwise even if there are a few exceptions. To stay competitive in even getting to the playoffs following a departure like that is the exception that proves the rule, and it usually takes quite a while to recover. You can argue we might have been better to suck after he left but even that is no guarantee of success drafting a QB. I am also simply stating aside from the obvious many wanted changed, the team hasn't sat around and accepted the status quo they have TRIED to change things, it may not be what you want but it is massive change.
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Eventually they will come to the light
After turning over the GM, the assistants, the position coaches and the entire 53 man roster they may start looking at what remains….maybe

Or maybe they’ll have to turn over all these things twice, you know just to be sure
 
Hypocycloids said:
Coolie starts a thread “No Jalen Ramsey discussion”?
Well now we have our Jaylen Ramsey discussion. Big time.

Coolie is like the Fonz, tap on the jukebox and it plays.
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Paging Mr. coolie
Paging Mr. coolie

Could you please start a thread titled “No 7th Lombardi discussion”
 
diver said:
Ok. Why not? I'm not saying this because of some confidence in Mike Tomlin. I think the QB is better. He can still throw the ball as good as anyone. I really like the addition of Jonnu Smith. I think multiple TEs with talent is a difficult offense to defend. I wasn't a fan of Najee. Good guy, but no explosiveness. I think they will be better there. I was sick of the million dollar, 10 cent head George Pickens. I think that position may surprise. We'll see about the line.

I like what they have done on defense, too, especially on the DL. I liked Minkah, but if that is what they are gonna ask of their FS, even though I think he could have made more plays regardless, it seems they can plug in someone else to do what he was doing.

Where do you live? How about a case of beer from a brewery in your area or mine to the winner? I'm about 60 or so miles west of Philly.
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I love the boldness…you got a deal

Im currently living down in NC a bit east of Charlotte

And I can’t tell ya how sincerely I hope I’m the sucker sending ya a case of beer…it would be so worth it 😎

If I’m being honest I think they could be a better squad too, I think Rodgers gives them a punchers chance by being “respected” by Mike enough to get a bit of that freedom Ben had.

Now the burning question: are you a IPA guy, pale ale, stout, lager, pilz??? Tryna manifest this 🤣🤪
 
jitter77 said:
I don't think it's coincidence that when Minkah came in and didn't know the D he played lights out. I feel like he has become Tomlinized and just started going through the motions. I would not be happy either if we use 2 DL and would have to constantly tackle RBs speeding at me. Coverages are tough to sort out blame, but there seems to be an issue across the board when passing off players between zones. I think the scheme is just too vanilla and passive which leads large gaps due to not wanting players to get behind you. Troy drove LeBeau crazy because he would go off-script, but his instincts were so good. He also had the perfect partner with Clark. I feel that Tomlin wouldn't have let Troy be Troy and we would be talking about Troy being a bust. My main issue is Tomlin doesn't see anything wrong with his schemes and doesn't try to adjust he just tries a different player and expects different results.
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Just like it's not a coincidence that when Tomlin came in as a young HC, he had a HOF DC and a very good OC and he was forced to let them do their thing and we were one of the best teams in the NFL. Then as he became established and took over more and more control things started going south.

Same thing with Wilson last season, slinging it all over the field vs Cincy putting up 400+yards, but that's not Tomlin's way, he didn't like that and put a stop to that kind of offense (today's NFL offense), the final game at home vs Cincy, Wilson had something like only 9 passing attempt going into the 4th qtr, and we were trailing the entire game. It HAS to be Tomlin's way. That's why Minkah wasn't allowed to play like he did his first year here, it's not Tomlin's way.

That's why I made the post about Cowher being on Ben's podcast, Cowher talked alot about trying to reign Ben in, but not totally reigning him in, let him do what made him great, and make that fit into what you want to do.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Paging Mr. coolie
Paging Mr. coolie

Could you please start a thread titled “No 7th Lombardi discussion”
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Or Coolie posting a headline such as ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

“Eye Lids Cut, Coach Blind-sided by being Cut………… Tomlin OUT !!!”

NOT a peyote induced vision,




Salute the nation
 
Coryea said:
Just like it's not a coincidence that when Tomlin came in as a young HC, he had a HOF DC and a very good OC and he was forced to let them do their thing and we were one of the best teams in the NFL. Then as he became established and took over more and more control things started going south.

Same thing with Wilson last season, slinging it all over the field vs Cincy putting up 400+yards, but that's not Tomlin's way, he didn't like that and put a stop to that kind of offense (today's NFL offense), the final game at home vs Cincy, Wilson had something like only 9 passing attempt going into the 4th qtr, and we were trailing the entire game. It HAS to be Tomlin's way. That's why Minkah wasn't allowed to play like he did his first year here, it's not Tomlin's way.

That's why I made the post about Cowher being on Ben's podcast, Cowher talked alot about trying to reign Ben in, but not totally reigning him in, let him do what made him great, and make that fit into what you want to do.
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Tomlin is a toddler who ate his PB&J and felt the need to leave his sticky prints all over everything instead of what a true leader does, surround himself with talent, set the direction and culture, and let them do what they do.
 
Doug Whaley was just on the fan in Pittsburgh, former GM, college player, scout, etc. They asked him what he saw that caused Minkah's decline in play, he flat our said the way he was used, the first couple seasons he was up near the box allowed to ball hunt and make plays, and for whatever reason the past couple seasons he's been asked to be the last line of defense.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I love the boldness…you got a deal

Im currently living down in NC a bit east of Charlotte

And I can’t tell ya how sincerely I hope I’m the sucker sending ya a case of beer…it would be so worth it 😎

If I’m being honest I think they could be a better squad too, I think Rodgers gives them a punchers chance by being “respected” by Mike enough to get a bit of that freedom Ben had.

Now the burning question: are you a IPA guy, pale ale, stout, lager, pilz??? Tryna manifest this 🤣🤪
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I have always believed that regardless of the level of coaching, players have to overcome coaching sometimes. Coaches aren't out there playing, but they gotta exert their control, without a real feel for the game. With Tomlin, these players have to overcome more. Hopefully they can.

It's complicated. Haha. I drank so much of those hazy IPAs I can't anymore. So IPAs, Pale, Lagers and Pilz are great, as long as no haze.

I got a case of the flu a year or so ago after drinking stouts in the afternoon. "Enjoying" them twice put me off stouts for a bit.

I'm drinking a nice pilsner from a brewery in Williamsport right now...New Trail. I don't know if you get any of there stuff down there. Lazy River Pils. Lord Chesterfield from Yuengling is a regular. How about you?
 
Coryea said:
Doug Whaley was just on the fan in Pittsburgh, former GM, college player, scout, etc. They asked him what he saw that caused Minkah's decline in play, he flat our said the way he was used, the first couple seasons he was up near the box allowed to ball hunt and make plays, and for whatever reason the past couple seasons he's been asked to be the last line of defense.
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Tomlin is getting rid of the people he doesnt like on his way out. Kind of a “last laugh” sort of thing. He loves Rodgers and brought him in for their last ride.
 
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Coryea said:
Doug Whaley was just on the fan in Pittsburgh, former GM, college player, scout, etc. They asked him what he saw that caused Minkah's decline in play, he flat our said the way he was used, the first couple seasons he was up near the box allowed to ball hunt and make plays, and for whatever reason the past couple seasons he's been asked to be the last line of defense.
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Yep, and Minkah did a great job tackling guys 15+ yards downfield.
Hope they let him be Minkah in Miami.
 
KentuckySteeler said:
Tomlin is getting rid of the people he doesnt like on his way out. Kind of a “last laugh” sort of thing. He loves Rodgers and brought him in for their last ride.
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Tomlin will likely be around longer than you.
 
Coryea said:
Just like it's not a coincidence that when Tomlin came in as a young HC, he had a HOF DC and a very good OC and he was forced to let them do their thing and we were one of the best teams in the NFL. Then as he became established and took over more and more control things started going south.

Same thing with Wilson last season, slinging it all over the field vs Cincy putting up 400+yards, but that's not Tomlin's way, he didn't like that and put a stop to that kind of offense (today's NFL offense), the final game at home vs Cincy, Wilson had something like only 9 passing attempt going into the 4th qtr, and we were trailing the entire game. It HAS to be Tomlin's way. That's why Minkah wasn't allowed to play like he did his first year here, it's not Tomlin's way.

That's why I made the post about Cowher being on Ben's podcast, Cowher talked alot about trying to reign Ben in, but not totally reigning him in, let him do what made him great, and make that fit into what you want to do.
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Yeah this is 100% correct. The second Cincy game was just insane. It wasn't a fluke Wilson threw all over them. Both Pickett and Mason had good games passing against them. The first half i believe we literally attempted one pass on first or second down. I just do not get it.
People are acting like we are getting a prime Ramsey. He seems to be more of a man corner and we play mostly zone. I would have changed Minkahs role and give the young corners a shot.
 
diver said:
I have always believed that regardless of the level of coaching, players have to overcome coaching sometimes. Coaches aren't out there playing, but they gotta exert their control, without a real feel for the game. With Tomlin, these players have to overcome more. Hopefully they can.

It's complicated. Haha. I drank so much of those hazy IPAs I can't anymore. So IPAs, Pale, Lagers and Pilz are great, as long as no haze.

I got a case of the flu a year or so ago after drinking stouts in the afternoon. "Enjoying" them twice put me off stouts for a bit.

I'm drinking a nice pilsner from a brewery in Williamsport right now...New Trail. I don't know if you get any of there stuff down there. Lazy River Pils. Lord Chesterfield from Yuengling is a regular. How about you?
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New Trail is my favorite brewery at the moment. I just run out of their "Rained Out" IPA, that was phenomenal. Planning to visit the brewery in the next few weeks after me and the boy do some fly fishing on Pine Creek. just waiting for this damn rain to stop so the streams clear up a bit and slow the hell down.
 
jitter77 said:
Yeah this is 100% correct. The second Cincy game was just insane. It wasn't a fluke Wilson threw all over them. Both Pickett and Mason had good games passing against them. The first half i believe we literally attempted one pass on first or second down. I just do not get it.
People are acting like we are getting a prime Ramsey. He seems to be more of a man corner and we play mostly zone. I would have changed Minkahs role and give the young corners a shot.
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They were talking about the Cincy games this morning, the first Cincy game is where Wilson supposedly went against what was called and was changing things at the LOS and Tomlin/and or Smith did not like it, that's where the rift between Wilson and Smith happened.
 
diver said:
I have always believed that regardless of the level of coaching, players have to overcome coaching sometimes. Coaches aren't out there playing, but they gotta exert their control, without a real feel for the game. With Tomlin, these players have to overcome more. Hopefully they can.

It's complicated. Haha. I drank so much of those hazy IPAs I can't anymore. So IPAs, Pale, Lagers and Pilz are great, as long as no haze.

I got a case of the flu a year or so ago after drinking stouts in the afternoon. "Enjoying" them twice put me off stouts for a bit.

I'm drinking a nice pilsner from a brewery in Williamsport right now...New Trail. I don't know if you get any of there stuff down there. Lazy River Pils. Lord Chesterfield from Yuengling is a regular. How about you?
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Session IPAs when it’s unbearably hot regular IPAs in fall-winter
Love a stout with a ribeye
Lagers and Pilz are always crushable

Generally stick away from the sours
 
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