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Report: Aaron Rodgers Is At Steelers Facility On Friday

Drink IRON City said:
Here’s a thought………..

Even in the Pre-Superbowl era, the Steelers made bone-headed moves from top to bottom. Owners / coaches / GMs /even players did sh-it laughable.

One thing was know for certain, when you played the STEELERS, you were in for a very physical beating / game, win or lose. That physicality carried over through Coach Cowher’s tenure.

Today’s team is SOFT, from the top down, outright soft. Other teams come to town and push us around, when was the last time you saw a Steeler start a fight or mouth off openly to an opponent?

When was the last time our coach (cowher) ran down a ref and stuck a pic in his pocket, but instead a coach (Tomlin) running out of the way of a opposing kick returner…….

How about an owner standing up for his team, telling Godell to **** off when they scheduled the covid debacle 3 games. (Baltimore did it), said they wouldn’t play with sick players out).

Just to repeat, this team is soft from top to bottom and that’s partly from no accountability from the top on down.
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Some of that is the league's fault though. If they played like they did 15 or 20 years ago half the team would be suspended every week.
And not just defense.
Remember they had to change the rules to protect DB's from Hines Ward.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Some of that is the league's fault though. If they played like they did 15 or 20 years ago half the team would be suspended every week.
And not just defense.
Remember they had to change the rules to protect DB's from Hines Ward.
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I hear yaz Ron, but every other team has to live by those rules as well, YET our beloved Steelers don’t have that bully feel to them (SOFT).

other teams are soft, but the upper 1/3 have toughness and it shows. You can see it on the field, body language shows it, coaching shows it, ownership shows it.

Steelers on the other hand are the victim. No toughness body language. TJ WATT never confronts anything, our most physical hostile player is B. Jones / McCormmick.

I know the days of olde are gone, for no return. I just want today’s version to show some bite, attitude, physically beat you substance.




Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
I hear yaz Ron, but every other team has to live by those rules as well, YET our beloved Steelers don’t have that bully feel to them (SOFT).

other teams are soft, but the upper 1/3 have toughness and it shows. You can see it on the field, body language shows it, coaching shows it, ownership shows it.

Steelers on the other hand are the victim. No toughness body language. TJ WATT never confronts anything, our most physical hostile player is B. Jones / McCormmick.

I know the days of olde are gone, for no return. I just want today’s version to show some bite, attitude, physically beat you substance.
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Agreed. Someone is gonna be first, someone is gonna be last, and the Steelers are usually in the middle.

 
jitter77 said:
I agree with this. We went from developing guys to trying to buy a team. We are lacking continuity and team chemistry
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It’s almost like the team needs a new message brought by a culture building coach. Complacency is the primary trait of this squad that rests comfortably on past successes of other players who are long gone.

Strangely enough it seems that our soft HC that speaks in platitudes isn’t assisting in building any chemistry or culture…just a bobble head babbling away about more blah blah bs.

It’s just a damn free for all with $ being the sole motivation for most, the old days are long gone.

This ensemble resembles a paycheck line more so than an actual team, definitely not a band of brothers on a unified mission…the situation is not unique to the Steelers tho. It’s pretty much the majority of pro athletes these days. Mix in a HC that brings zero accountability and minimal discipline and this is the ditch the clown car makes its circles in.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I still maintain that Shades' best players were already good when they got here.
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Big Ben “improved/developed” more wide receivers in his career here than the total number of players Mike has “developed” here…without a shadow of a doubt.

I’m struggling to pin point one damn player that improved because of Mike’s tutelage. I’m sure there were at least 1-2, but damn…can’t put my finger on even ONE and say “yup, Mike really coached HIM up”

I mean eventually he got of Bud’s way and put him on the correct side, that’s the closest I can pin point. Maybe Mike Hilton? Obviously we aren’t behind the scenes so it’s difficult to determine the extent of what (if anything) Mike does.

But since there is no expectation that he actually “coach up” guys maybe he could come to a
Compromise and he could at least not stand in the way of guys improving themselves by putting them in the proper positions/schemes to display the skill sets the players have developed on their own…is that too much to ask from the greatness that is Mike? Just don’t be a hurdle to success Mike
 
Drink IRON City said:
I hear yaz Ron, but every other team has to live by those rules as well, YET our beloved Steelers don’t have that bully feel to them (SOFT).

other teams are soft, but the upper 1/3 have toughness and it shows. You can see it on the field, body language shows it, coaching shows it, ownership shows it.

Steelers on the other hand are the victim. No toughness body language. TJ WATT never confronts anything, our most physical hostile player is B. Jones / McCormmick.

I know the days of olde are gone, for no return. I just want today’s version to show some bite, attitude, physically beat you substance.




Salute the nation
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TJ is more like the athlete with pretty boy muscles than Lambert tough and country strong or intimidating like Greg Lloyd who brought a nasty edge to the D.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Big Ben “improved/developed” more wide receivers in his career here than the total number of players Mike has “developed” here…without a shadow of a doubt.

I’m struggling to pin point one damn player that improved because of Mike’s tutelage. I’m sure there were at least 1-2, but damn…can’t put my finger on even ONE and say “yup, Mike really coached HIM up”

I mean eventually he got of Bud’s way and put him on the correct side, that’s the closest I can pin point. Maybe Mike Hilton? Obviously we aren’t behind the scenes so it’s difficult to determine the extent of what (if anything) Mike does.

But since there is no expectation that he actually “coach up” guys maybe he could come to a
Compromise and he could at least not stand in the way of guys improving themselves by putting them in the proper positions/schemes to display the skill sets the players have developed on their own…is that too much to ask from the greatness that is Mike? Just don’t be a hurdle to success Mike
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Tomlin was supposedly the John Lynch-whisperer in Tampa and yet his secondaries have perpetually been a weak link and easy prey in the playoffs.
 
BLITZ said:
TJ was hired for his disposition
Lloyd was not
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Shades said every team should have a Watt brother. I think Cowher was half afraid Lloyd might assault him.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
If I gotta walk down a dark alley on the rough side of town I’m with Lloyd, Harrison, Lambert all before I’m taking TJ

Great player but not nasty
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Reminds me of what Isiah Thomas said about MJ, Magic, himself and Larry Bird he said "you put me, Michael, Magic and Larry in a room....and Larry probably the one walking out at the end of the day."
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Big Ben “improved/developed” more wide receivers in his career here than the total number of players Mike has “developed” here…without a shadow of a doubt.

I’m struggling to pin point one damn player that improved because of Mike’s tutelage. I’m sure there were at least 1-2, but damn…can’t put my finger on even ONE and say “yup, Mike really coached HIM up”

I mean eventually he got of Bud’s way and put him on the correct side, that’s the closest I can pin point. Maybe Mike Hilton? Obviously we aren’t behind the scenes so it’s difficult to determine the extent of what (if anything) Mike does.

But since there is no expectation that he actually “coach up” guys maybe he could come to a
Compromise and he could at least not stand in the way of guys improving themselves by putting them in the proper positions/schemes to display the skill sets the players have developed on their own…is that too much to ask from the greatness that is Mike? Just don’t be a hurdle to success Mike
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Spot on.

His assistant coaches and his insistence on keeping in house yes men around are a huge part of this problem too

I don’t expect Tomlin as a defense\DB coach to coach up a QB or offensive lineman but he should have some record of success seeing his assistants do this. No assistant has moved the needle since Arians of WRs and Munciak and that was a long time ago

I remember Najee Harris telling a story during his rookie year where he went to Tomlin saying this isn’t going very well I need some help and Tomlin telling him “you’ll figure it out”….leader of men right there
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
Spot on.

His assistant coaches and his insistence on keeping in house yes men around are a huge part of this problem too

I don’t expect Tomlin as a defense\DB coach to coach up a QB or offensive lineman but he should have some record of success seeing his assistants do this. No assistant has moved the needle since Arians of WRs and Munciak and that was a long time ago

I remember Najee Harris telling a story during his rookie year where he went to Tomlin saying this isn’t going very well I need some help and Tomlin telling him “you’ll figure it out”….leader of men right there
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I think also a swath of the fanbase -- because "Pittsburgh doesn't fire head coaches" and brand loyalty and pride with "3 Head Coaches in 50 years!" -- has tended to de-emphasize the HC and Xs and Os and of course put everything on the QB over the years. Almost like "we know Tomlin is unfireable so why get upset?" But turns out coaching really does matter a lot after all even without term limits. Even now there's a segment that thinks "Tomlin just needs a QB" after Tomlin has done everything he can to mangle the position over the last 5-7 years.
 
SojournerSteel said:
I think also a swath of the fanbase -- because "Pittsburgh doesn't fire head coaches" and brand loyalty and pride with "3 Head Coaches in 50 years!" -- has tended to de-emphasize the HC and Xs and Os and of course put everything on the QB over the years. Almost like "we know Tomlin is unfireable so why get upset?" But turns out coaching really does matter a lot after all even without term limits. Even now there's a segment that thinks "Tomlin just needs a QB" after Tomlin has done everything he can to mangle the position over the last 5-7 years.
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I don't know, man. Maybe. I think it's more though that people are just sick and tired of the same crap being reiterated over and over and over and over and over...I could keep going, again. I don't think there is a person that posts here that doesn't wish the Steelers had a different coach. If anyone else in your life, your wife, or your kid or whatever, would just keep saying the same thing all the time you'd tell them to shut the hell up. And it would be reasonable to say that. Here, in this weird world? Somehow it gets construed as support for Tomlin if you get sick of it.

As for the QB position, he isn't the first coach to mangle it. Noll's list of QBs post Bradshaw was nothing to write home about. What is always said in support of Cowher? "When he finally got a QB he won it!" Well, what the hell was he doing at the position for his first 13 years or so of coaching?
 
diver said:
I don't know, man. Maybe. I think it's more though that people are just sick and tired of the same crap being reiterated over and over and over and over and over...I could keep going, again. I don't think there is a person that posts here that doesn't wish the Steelers had a different coach. If anyone else in your life, your wife, or your kid or whatever, would just keep saying the same thing all the time you'd tell them to shut the hell up. And it would be reasonable to say that. Here, in this weird world? Somehow it gets construed as support for Tomlin if you get sick of it.

As for the QB position, he isn't the first coach to mangle it. Noll's list of QBs post Bradshaw was nothing to write home about. What is always said in support of Cowher? "When he finally got a QB he won it!" Well, what the hell was he doing at the position for his first 13 years or so of coaching?
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Kordell, Neil, Bubby, Tomczak he tried different bodies, he just didn't get the right one until Ben. Ben proved he could get the job done, except with Clown-lin for the most part. How many wasted season were spent there?
 
diver said:
As for the QB position, he isn't the first coach to mangle it. Noll's list of QBs post Bradshaw was nothing to write home about. What is always said in support of Cowher? "When he finally got a QB he won it!" Well, what the hell was he doing at the position for his first 13 years or so of coaching?
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Finding ways to win PO games without a franchise QB.

Unlike those PO games that Tomlin couldn't win with a franchise QB.
 
Lloyd said:
Kordell, Neil, Bubby, Tomczak he tried different bodies, he just didn't get the right one until Ben. Ben proved he could get the job done, except with Clown-lin for the most part. How many wasted s eason were spent there?
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Noll and Cowher had deep playoff runs with marginal to good QBs, not only has Tomlin not won a playoff game without Ben who will be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame, he hasn’t avoided being blown out/embarrassed in the playoffs without Ben
 
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SojournerSteel said:
TJ is more like the athlete with pretty boy muscles than Lambert tough and country strong or intimidating like Greg Lloyd who brought a nasty edge to the D.
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I feel this is a little unfair to TJ. Saying he has pretty boy muscles makes it seem like they are just for looks and useless. I think TJ is pretty tough and a gritty player. I agree with the intimidation factor though. TJ can be a game wrecker, but i don't think he strikes fear in opponents like Lambert, Harrison, Lloyd etc etc. Harrison seemed like he genuinely wanted to kill you while TJ is content just making the play.
 
Confluence said:
Finding ways to win PO games without a franchise QB.

Unlike those PO games that Tomlin couldn't win with a franchise QB.
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With no disrespect to Mike Glennon or the late Ryan Mallett signed one weak off the scrap heap, Tomlin's defense got picked apart by those guys with Ben at QB as just a couple of examples that come to mind with him having one of the Top 5-8 most physically gifted QBs to ever play and routinely snatching defeat from the jaws of easy victory.
 
Confluence said:
Finding ways to win PO games without a franchise QB.

Unlike those PO games that Tomlin couldn't win with a franchise QB.
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Now you are changing the argument. I agree with that. But the original point was how Tomlin has mangled the QB position the last number of years. Noll didn't win anything after Bradshaw and Cowher didn't win before Ben. They could also be accused of mangaling. Or are you adjusting the argument again by using playoff wins? I thought it was about championships.

It's another argument that while true I don't quite get Steeler fans making. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. Yeah. But I wouldn't feel any better about things if they won a bunch of playoff games and not the Super Bowl. That would suck just as much.
 
SojournerSteel said:
With no disrespect to Mike Glennon or the late Ryan Mallett signed one weak off the scrap heap, Tomlin's defense got picked apart by those guys with Ben at QB as just a couple of examples that come to mind with him having one of the Top 5-8 most physically gifted QBs to ever play and routinely snatching defeat from the jaws of easy victory.
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Today, almost every year a team, regardless of how good the defense is, has to outscored someone. It happens in a 16/17 game schedule. It isn't 1976.

Why couldn't Ben and the offense outscore them?
 
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