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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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Never before in the history of mankind have so many panties been bunched-up by a late, 3rd round compensatory pick. The infatuation with wanting to be right, to somehow prove Dri Archer won't make it, is at a fever pitch. The shrieks of grown men can be heard from miles away, "he's too small, he's not a slot WR, he's tiny, he's too short, he doesn't run a full route tree, we needed a cornerback instead, he fumbles, he drops passes, he's always injured " - ad nauseam. It's as if someone anointed Archer to be the second coming of our savior, the lord Jesus Christ. And we must now convince ourselves, that by golly, Archer isn't Jesus, he can't walk on water, he's no saint, he has faults, he's not the son of God! Poor kid, just wanted to beat the odds and become a pro football player, make it to the big leagues. Only to get there, and be welcomed in by a hysterical fanbase armed with pitchforks and measuring tape.
 
Holy ******* ****, somebody get the garlic, holy water and wooden stakes and kill this thing.

Moral of the story. People will go to incredibly annoying lengths to feel and also be perceived as intelligent.
 
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jitter77 said:
I do not care about the pick either way, but I think the size thing is non-sense. How can people say he was banged up because of his size. How many players get banged up in college or pro. It doesnt matter if your skinny or fat or tall or short. People get hurt playing football. Smaller players kinda bounce around / off more. If you have 2 250 pound guys colliding instead of a 250 vs 170 guy the 2 250 pound situation creates more force. Its also about using and controlling your body. One time when I was still in middle school I weighed about 120. I was playing with the neighbor kids and for some reason the one thought it would be fun to take a full run at me. He was around 160 pounds or so came running at me full speed. I braced myself, lowered my shoulder, and kinda lunged into him when he got to me. I did not budge and he went straight on his *** like a rock. Smaller guys have been small all their life and are used to playing small. Archer's size may limit him in other ways, but I dont think the injury thing is valid.
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It's valid for Archer because he's already had his share of injuries. And considering that despite being a Heisman-type athlete that only got one season of heavy offensive usage, it all seems to add up. Maybe not, maybe it was all fluky, but you can't just ignore the common sense and assume it's all a fluke.
 
Even lamer than bitching about a draft pick is bitching about bitching about a draft pick. I think some of you guys have your browsers set to automatically repost the same bitchy **** every hour.
 
Idioteque said:
Even lamer than bitching about a draft pick is bitching about bitching about a draft pick. I think some of you guys have your browsers set to automatically repost the same bitchy **** every hour.
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Armchair GM's that constantly act like they know everything about everything and cannot ever admit any shortcomings in themselves are annoying and tedious. Sorry.
 
Idioteque said:
Even lamer than bitching about a draft pick is bitching about bitching about a draft pick. I think some of you guys have your browsers set to automatically repost the same bitchy **** every hour.
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You would think they would populate the GD side of the site and STFU if they don't like the topics here.... Nope,always time for someone to change their tampon and they will let you know.
 
Supersteeler said:
Armchair GM's that constantly act like they know everything about everything and cannot ever admit any shortcomings in themselves are annoying and tedious. Sorry.
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I haven't seen anyone do that. I figure you're including me in that, but I've never claimed to be a damn thing more than a guy who likes to evaluate football for fun. And I don't see anyone claiming to see the future; the knock on Archer is based on NFL history and common sense things like "Tiny guys who get injured a lot in college are likely to get injured a lot on the NFL." Some of you simply cannot, will not accept criticism of a Steeler.
 
More fuel for the haters...

@MarkKaboly_Trib: If you are worried about Dri Archer being able to field punts, don't. Kid catches everything.
 
Clocked a 4.16-second 40-yard dash in 18 steps on one official handheld combine watch, tying Calvin Johnson’s NFL Scouting Combine record for fewest steps.

That is the reason he was drafted in the third.

let's instead make another 38 pages saying why his 20 bench reps and his 38 vert have no meaning and his ten games he Started "in the slot" has no bearing. He failed in school. Kick returns don't happen anymore there are extinct.

So he's weak can't jump and stupid he will never make it.

4.16 in 18 steps. You have to catch him to tackle him and nobody can catch him from behind.

4.16
Ok ok it's not official
He only ran 4.26
Ti give you an idea how fast .1 is try to start and stop your
Stop watch on your phone faster than .10 seconds
 
I find it amusing that people who cry about combine warriors are now in love with Archer. How many times have we heard that player X (Like Jarvis Jones) is a football player and that 40 times don't mean ****? How many people on here are raving about the SIZE of McCullers? Well according to some now the smaller you are the harder you hit. So this guy must suck ***.

Instead of allowing people to evaluate players for what they are most on here just circle jerk around Steelers player regardless of their attributes. Value be damned the Steelers drafted them so they must be good. How many years did we (and I mean EVERYBODY on this board) blast the Raiders for drafting 40 times. And please don't give me the "Archer is more than a 40 time" BS. If he ran a 4.5 nobody would want him regardless of his quickness. But now speed is great and 40 times are the gold standard because the Steelers drafted him. If he'd been drafted by the clowns there would be jokes galore.

There is a difference between being a hater and being someone who just talks honestly about a player regardless of who drafted him. There is also a difference between being a fan and a pom pom waver. Some on here are pom pom wavers and the Steelers can do no wrong. They don't watch college football and sure as hell don't watch individual players. But they'll go ballistic if anyone questions the brain trust that is the Steelers.
 
t-man said:
So, let me see if I have this right, because some of the previous Tomlin corner picks didn't work out, we should pick a whole bunch of em, regardless of how good they are, just to be safe? Am I ******* reading that right? I mean, seriously? Jeezuz. Sometimes I think this **** can't POSSIBLY get any dumber, and then a post like this comes along, and YEP, it does.

Joe
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Let me get this straight. I demonstrate that Tomlin's CB picks have mostly been bad. My completely logical suggestion is that the solution is to draft more than one to help your odds of getting 1 that works out. I then also provide proof of how this approach has actually worked for the Steelers under Tomlin.

CB is a huge need, so i suggest that it would have been a good idea to use this proven strategy once again in a draft where CB was pretty deep and the need was very high.

Pick them regardless of how good they are? I didn't say that. That's the false premise you added bolster your nonsense argument.

This was the 3rd round. Are you saying there were no CBs available that were any good or could have made the team? If that is your position then i guess you don't like the pick of Shaq Richardson in Round 5. Or did you just mean all the CBs available in Round 3 sucked except for Shaq?


What is harder to find, a good CB or a 3rd down back? I would think the answer is obvious, but apparently not. The answer is CB. You can pick 3rd down backs up off the scrap heap every year. Darren freaking Sproles was let go by both the Chargers and the Saints. What does that tell you? He's about as good as you can hope for as a 3rd down back and 2 teams let him leave so they could spend money elsewhere.

The pats let Danny Woodhead walk.

Now let's ask how many CBs play in games. Generally, you need at least 3 starting quality CBs to play in nickel. Many teams use 4 CBs in dime defenses. This isn't just for a "change of pace" or something to give the other team to worry about. You play multiple CBs because you ******* have to.

Remember the Super Bowl vs the Packers? What would have helped more, a 3rd down back or a decent nickel CB?

How many touches will Archer get? You want to take the ball out of the hands of Le'Veon Bell? Last year they told us they wanted Bell because he was a good receiver and would be an every down back. I guess not.

Oh but Haley will find all these creative uses for Archer. Haven't they said that about Will Johnson for the last few years? He's a receiving FB who has tons of uses. He has 23 receptions in 2 years. And at the same time the Steelers tell us we just don't have the roster space for a true blocking FB. I mean not just any guy can give you 12 receptions per year.
 
Vader said:
You really think it's worse/ or as bad for a 260 lb guy to hit a 170 lb guy than a 350 lb guy? You get this info from an encounter you had as a kid? There is more to hitting than size but all things being equal the larger guy is going to be hurt less than a smaller guy in an impact of the two. I played football and I can guarantee you I'd much rather hit a small RB than a 350 lb lineman.

Bettis is known for hitting guys so much they didn't want to tackle him anymore. Wonder why? Since they are small than him he should be getting more hurt and avoiding contact right? Isn't that your theory? wow... just wow.
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What I am saying is that when a bigger guy hits a smaller one, the smaller guy tends to bounce off instead of fully absorb the blow. Plus he is very agile and hard to get a clean shot on. If you are the tackler obviously you want to be bigger. Someone used to example of Bettis. What happens to smaller guys trying to tackle big RBs? They get trucked (aka willie gay) or they just kinda bounce off and the RB goes through them.

As for smaller guys get injured easier, are there any stats to back this up or is it just little guy bias. I have seen no reports that say is you are <200pounds you have a 50% more chance of injury, if you are between 200-250 you have 35% more chance, and if you are 250+ then you only have a 15% chance of injury. Lineman get injured constantly and they are the biggest guys out there. Our healthiest position has probably been at WR who most say are "smurfs." Most injuries do not occur on clean hard hits. They come from awkward tackles (twisting turning), being gang tackled, rolled on, or concussed. RBs in general take a good pounding, but hopefully we are not running Archer up the middle 99% of the time.
 
When I see Archer I don't see Hester. I see Dante Hall, both were college running backs drafted to be jack of all trades. Both are 5'7 but Hall played at 187 and was slower running 4.4's but they both show the amazing ability to make people miss. Sure Hall was drafted in the 5th and played at A&M against better competition but for some reason I always see Hall when I see his play. I would be more than pleased if he turned out to be similar to Hall.
 
smh 250 lb backer has the same impact on a guy 170 as the 230 lb guy... all the energy has to come to a stop somewhere.
 
Tape cornerbacks are a huge need in YOUR mind!
The front office disagrees with you because they took shanizer over two or three CB options. Then waited till the 5th to get one. They obviously know more about their players than you do.

CBS are hard to find you say. even if say the cat from mich st was drafted do you think he would start day one or even at all the whole year.

How many players ran a faster 40 time then archer did at the combine in the last 20 years?

I bet there are more starting CBs drafted after the 5th in the last 5 years drafted than players faster
than archer at all the combines ever conducted.
 
jitter77 said:
What I am saying is that when a bigger guy hits a smaller one, the smaller guy tends to bounce off instead of fully absorb the blow. Plus he is very agile and hard to get a clean shot on. If you are the tackler obviously you want to be bigger. Someone used to example of Bettis. What happens to smaller guys trying to tackle big RBs? They get trucked (aka willie gay) or they just kinda bounce off and the RB goes through them.

As for smaller guys get injured easier, are there any stats to back this up or is it just little guy bias. I have seen no reports that say is you are <200pounds you have a 50% more chance of injury, if you are between 200-250 you have 35% more chance, and if you are 250+ then you only have a 15% chance of injury. Lineman get injured constantly and they are the biggest guys out there. Our healthiest position has probably been at WR who most say are "smurfs." Most injuries do not occur on clean hard hits. They come from awkward tackles (twisting turning), being gang tackled, rolled on, or concussed. RBs in general take a good pounding, but hopefully we are not running Archer up the middle 99% of the time.
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I don't think you've thought through this very well. IF what you are saying is true then why is Tomlin limiting Archer? Why not run him between the tackles? You can't have it both ways. One the one hand you say he'll just bounce off (which is just laughable) and on the other hand you say he isn't running between the tackles because you don't want him to "take a good pounding". Why not? If size is not the issue then why not run him between the tackles? After all small guys bounce off and don't get hurt much right?

See you know good and well that size matters. You know he'll get ******* killed inside against BIGGER players. He isn't bouncing off of ****. He's getting planted inside. Hell Tomlin knows this so he talks about "creative" ways to get him the ball because he KNOWS he isn't a true RB or a true WR. He also knows if he uses him in a traditional role he'll get his small *** killed.

Which is partially the problem. When defenses understand you are limited you are done. Sweeps don't work in the NFL if that's all you can run. When he is in the game they know exactly where he is going.
 
Atlsteelers said:
More fuel for the haters...

@MarkKaboly_Trib: If you are worried about Dri Archer being able to field punts, don't. Kid catches everything.
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But he cant return punts. He never did it before. He's going to get scared with all those big scary guys bearing down on him. If its windy the wind will just pick him up and carry him away. The football comes in different then kickoffs and will break his small little hands or if he doesnt he will fumble EVERTIME

Fixed it for you
 
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Black & Gold Bleeder said:
smh 250 lb backer has the same impact on a guy 170 as the 230 lb guy... all the energy has to come to a stop somewhere.
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No it doesn't. I guarantee you Archer would rather be hit by another 173 lb player than by a 230 lb player.

I think some of you fail science class and probably watch no football. It's like saying a 4.8 guy can run just as fast as a 4.2 guy.
 
antdrewjosh said:
But he cant return punts. He never did it before. He's going to get scared with all those big scary guys bearing down on him. If its windy the wind will just pick him up and carry him away. The football comes in different then kickoffs and will break his small little hands....
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Yeah, he fumbles a **** ton, too.

I'm just glad the regular season is played without pads or defenders. We really need to just start hanging out at college track meets to do our scouting.
 
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dammit. missed my shift.
 
I so wanted us to take Walt Aikens at this spot or Pierre Desir.

hopefully they sign a vet with the Woodley savings to challange ike/Gay like
some names
Florence
jammer
ross
* Asante Samuel
Cory Webster
 
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