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I guess the game has passed seattle's DC bye too?

Coryea

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Their DB's were playing well off the NE wr's alot of the time, and then they put #50, can't remember the LB's name, on Gronk 1v1 a couple times.
Isn't that what everyone says about Lebeau, the game passed him by because our DB's playoff alot? Hell Seattle has talent in the secondary too
 
Seattle plays an execution defense. It's as simple as that. It's why Collingsworth made the point (more than once, I think) that they might just as well have yelled across the line of scrimmage and told Brady what defense they were in. Playing an execution defense can lead to trouble against great QBs...I personally think the defense has to vary things up against a great QB and at least put a little bit of doubt in the QB's mind as to what defense he is going to be facing from snap-to-snap. It worked for Seattle against Manning last year, but Seattle had a better front on D last year and they were able to just manhandle the Broncos O-line.

Our defense is low on talent, but I also believe Lebeau had slipped in terms of creating blitzes that could confuse a QB or break down a blocking scheme. At one point he was near the top in that category, but I'd rank him much closer to average based on the past 2 seasons.

Coryea, I know you want to blame everything on Worilds and Jarvis, but Lebeau used to create sacks for guys like Haggans and Gildon with his schemes --- we haven't seen much of that lately...
 
SteelerAl said:
Coryea, I know you want to blame everything on Worilds and Jarvis, but Lebeau used to create sacks for guys like Haggans and Gildon with his schemes --- we haven't seen much of that lately...
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There could be another reason .................Worilds and JJ are worse than Haggans ...Gildon..and I think they are...you can only create so much..
 
SteelerAl said:
Seattle plays an execution defense. It's as simple as that. It's why Collingsworth made the point (more than once, I think) that they might just as well have yelled across the line of scrimmage and told Brady what defense they were in. Playing an execution defense can lead to trouble against great QBs...I personally think the defense has to vary things up against a great QB and at least put a little bit of doubt in the QB's mind as to what defense he is going to be facing from snap-to-snap. It worked for Seattle against Manning last year, but Seattle had a better front on D last year and they were able to just manhandle the Broncos O-line.

Our defense is low on talent, but I also believe Lebeau had slipped in terms of creating blitzes that could confuse a QB or break down a blocking scheme. At one point he was near the top in that category, but I'd rank him much closer to average based on the past 2 seasons.

Coryea, I know you want to blame everything on Worilds and Jarvis, but Lebeau used to create sacks for guys like Haggans and Gildon with his schemes --- we haven't seen much of that lately...
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Wasn't Wilson 10-0 against SB winning QBs? What great QBs were beating them? They lost to great QBs like Romo, Rivers, Austin Davis, and Alex Smith. The year before that they lost to Luck, Kapper, and Palmer. And none of those guys had great games. Palmer threw 4 picks, Kapper was at 50% and threw 1 Td and 1 pick.

So I have no idea what you are referring too.
 
DL is/was 2-5 against Belicheat with Brady and of the 5 losses, 4 were blowouts. Average points against in those 4 games? 42.25. I don't even want to know what the yardage totals are. There is no real comparison here.
 
Steel G said:
DL is/was 2-5 against Belicheat with Brady and of the 5 losses, 4 were blowouts. Average points against in those 4 games? 42.25. I don't even want to know what the yardage totals are. There is no real comparison here.
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It wasn't just about the defense in some of those games. I remember Ben throwing a pick 6 when they were about to score in one. The defense didn't play well either but they weren't the only problem. Plus they were cheating in some of those games.

The problem with the pats** against any defense is you have to hit Brady. And lately the Steelers don't have the players to get to him... or anyone else.
 
Vader said:
It wasn't just about the defense in some of those games. I remember Ben throwing a pick 6 when they were about to score in one. The defense didn't play well either but they weren't the only problem. Plus they were cheating in some of those games.

The problem with the pats** against any defense is you have to hit Brady. And lately the Steelers don't have the players to get to him... or anyone else.
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That's all true. But even with the Legion of Broom getting swept away in the 4th, they had a serious shot to win at the end. That's a situation that was rarely the case for the Steelers against the Cheats*.
 
Defense didn't lose that game for Seattle all the 3 and outs killed seattle. Seattle got the ball back holding on to a 3 point lead with 8 minutes left and ran only one minute off the clock. Even at that seattle,s defense played way good enough to win. You can can only give Brady so many chances and he will kill you.
 
I believe Dick is still . Unemployed.
 
Keep in mind they lost Avril and Lane. They also had Sherman playing with one arm, and other injuries in the secondary. The infamous Brady five-yarders were more effective because some of those guys just couldn't tackle.
 
Vader said:
It wasn't just about the defense in some of those games. I remember Ben throwing a pick 6 when they were about to score in one. The defense didn't play well either but they weren't the only problem. Plus they were cheating in some of those games.

The problem with the pats** against any defense is you have to hit Brady. And lately the Steelers don't have the players to get to him... or anyone else.
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This is exactly right. It's no coincidence that the last time we beat them, Woodley was a monster (also the game he hurt his hamstring). He was all over Brady up until he got hurt.
 
They played well enough to win the Super Bowl, had it not been for that bonehead play call at the end. If we had that D, we'd have been hoisting the Lombardi last night.
 
Dont forget basically the entire secondary was hurt
 
Definately not out of touch!!!!!! It appeared as Dick L. had slipped in talent, as had his players of late.



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Hmm, injuries factor into it?
 
so injuries to seattle's secondary is an excuse? hmmm Taylor injured, Allen injured, Mitchell needed surgery, troy got hurt, Shamarko injured,we had to use two cb's on the FA pile, but we can't use that same excuse for Lebeau.
I'm fine with him moving on, but saying the game passed him by because our cb's played off is stupid.
also yeah i'm blaming our defensive woes on Jones, Worilds, etc. They can't win one on one match ups to save their life.
 
Xc944 said:
Dont forget basically the entire secondary was hurt
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No, the talent on defense is irrelevant. The DC must call the special plays that create big sacks and turnovers no matter what scrubs are on defense. Obviously Seattle's DC got dumb late in the game and forgot to call the secret plays.
 
SteelerAl said:
Seattle plays an execution defense. It's as simple as that. It's why Collingsworth made the point (more than once, I think) that they might just as well have yelled across the line of scrimmage and told Brady what defense they were in. Playing an execution defense can lead to trouble against great QBs...I personally think the defense has to vary things up against a great QB and at least put a little bit of doubt in the QB's mind as to what defense he is going to be facing from snap-to-snap. It worked for Seattle against Manning last year, but Seattle had a better front on D last year and they were able to just manhandle the Broncos O-line.

Our defense is low on talent, but I also believe Lebeau had slipped in terms of creating blitzes that could confuse a QB or break down a blocking scheme. At one point he was near the top in that category, but I'd rank him much closer to average based on the past 2 seasons.

Coryea, I know you want to blame everything on Worilds and Jarvis, but Lebeau used to create sacks for guys like Haggans and Gildon with his schemes --- we haven't seen much of that lately...
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Gildon was a damn good player and was able to defeat blocks on his own. Haggans got sacks too because he had Porter on the other side and Farrior inside. You also had Aaron Smith, Hampton and Kimo keeping those LBs clean to rush.

Lebeau hasn't had any of that since Woodley got fat, Harrison got hurt, and Farrior got old.

What does it say that Harrison comes off his couch to be the best pass rusher? I don't care what scheme you use. No DC is smart enough to get free runs at the QB on a consistent basis. The best he can do is set up situations where guys are single blocked. Steeler pass rushers simply don't defeat blocks often enough or at all.

Jarvis is usually single blocked. He almost NEVER wins. When i say win, i don't mean sack. I mean getting around the edge or pushing the OT enough to influence the QB. Jarvis rarely does that. The vast majority of his "rushes" end with him stoned at the line or pushed way upfield.
 
It was easier to set up guys coming free when you had guys commanding double teams every play. Hampton and Smith did that. Now only Heyward does consistently. I think Tuitt will as he grows into the player I think he will become. That's why Danny Shelton is creeping up to the no 1 spot on my draft board. Those three Heyward Tuitt and Shelton would be a real problem for OL's. Not that McClendon is the problem he is fine if you have dominant DE's next to him. Problem is Heyward is just now blossoming. If we sign Worlids back NT Danny Shelton becomes my first round target. He creates problems for offensives as far as who to double team up front. Then you will see blitzes coming free again.
 
Steel G said:
DL is/was 2-5 against Belicheat with Brady and of the 5 losses, 4 were blowouts. Average points against in those 4 games? 42.25. I don't even want to know what the yardage totals are. There is no real comparison here.
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They didn't change enough on defense for the pats**. Don't forget those asshats have all of our stuff on film and i'm sure they have our playbooks. It shows when they call your plays out on both sides of the ball. You have to seriously change stuff up right before you play them. It's as simple as that. The teams that don't do that lose more often than not. If they can intercept encoded radio signals then all bets are off.
 
Man, I am so sick of people suggesting that we take a nose tackle in round one...

But I better get used to it because there will be another 10,000 posts coming up...
 
SteelerAl said:
Man, I am so sick of people suggesting that we take a nose tackle in round one...

But I better get used to it because there will be another 10,000 posts coming up...
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Why? This is not a two down player. He doesn't come off the field on third down. Consistently commands a double team. He would make both Tuitt and Heyward better because of the attention he would demand. Not to mention the linebackers behind him. Getting back to stuffing teams on first down is huge for this defense. 2nd and 8 or longer were a regular occurrence. Teams even stopped attempting to run on first down or short yardage. Now it's 2nd 6 or shorter. I know it's early pre combine but sitting at 22 we aren't going to get one of the top tier pass rushers in this draft. And probably not one of the two elite CB's either.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Why? This is not a two down player. He doesn't come off the field on third down. Consistently commands a double team. He would make both Tuitt and Heyward better because of the attention he would demand. Not to mention the linebackers behind him. Getting back to stuffing teams on first down is huge for this defense. 2nd and 8 or longer were a regular occurrence. Teams even stopped attempting to run on first down or short yardage. Now it's 2nd 6 or shorter. I know it's early pre combine but sitting at 22 we aren't going to get one of the top tier pass rushers in this draft. And probably not one of the two elite CB's either.
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Who are you taking off the field on 3rd down then? We already have 2 DLs that are 3-down players in Heyward and Tuitt. I just don't see us keeping 3 big bodied DLs on the field when offenses put 3 or 4 WRs on the field. It would make us quite vulnerable to being spread out and it would limit our ability to blitz creatively.
 
I just don't see us drafting anyone at 22 that's going to come in here and reverse things. Not going to happen. We really need a pass rusher and I just didn't see jones turning things around and giving us one. We'll have to depend on some hit and run ball hawking but I don't see the speed in the secondary for it. I'll just have to see and hope for the best but I'm not optimistic.
 
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