You can be a hardcore Steeler fan and have dissenting opinions on things... its isn't a hive mind here... just check a Dri Archer thread to see that....
Will they call Ben
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There was no evidence against Ben, other than he said she said BS. He was innocent as there was no true evidence he did anything wrong. This is unlike Ray Rice, who just go off scott free even though they had video evidence of him beating his girlfriend unconscious. No evidence means innocent. A video showing you did it means you are guilty.
Interesting thing on the Ben case in Georgia. The prosecutors and police could not find even enough evidence for probable cause, to indict or to proceed with charges and additional investigation. That is a much lower standard than preponderance of evidence and much less than reasonable doubt. Crimes committed here were the false ID by the child to obtain alcoholic beverages, consuming alcoholic beverages while under age, lying to a police officer, and had they gone further likely false swearing and possibly conspiracy to commit. The bar owner would also be guilty of serving a minor.
I learned early on as a police officer that one must stay focused and not rush to judgement when investigating crimes. One must look for both culpatory evidence and exculpatory evidence in every case and with the same zeal. An easy way to look at this is to treat the accused as if he was your brother and the alleged victim as if she were your sister. The failure to do that will result in someone innocent being charged and possibly convicted and in cases where a crime was committed and the wrong person convicted a guilty person goes free.
One must look at the reason a woman would lie about something like this. Revenge for any type of slight real or imagined, wanting the activity to be more than sexual gratification, possible thoughts of now being pregnant from unprotected sex, concerns that now many people including her present boy friend will know she was unfaithful, second thoughts after a consensual act. I am not saying that any of these things did happen just listing some possibilities that I have known to have taken place in sexual assault cases.
There are others but these are actual things I have discovered in the investigation of alleged crimes, sometimes people lie. Many times in the past these folks who do this repeatedly have found that telling a lie to police officers and judges will get the police to arrest someone on their say so who is later found not guilty but if they can not make bail they are punished anyway and if they do make bail they are then out the cost of posting bond.
I learned early on as a police officer that one must stay focused and not rush to judgement when investigating crimes. One must look for both culpatory evidence and exculpatory evidence in every case and with the same zeal. An easy way to look at this is to treat the accused as if he was your brother and the alleged victim as if she were your sister. The failure to do that will result in someone innocent being charged and possibly convicted and in cases where a crime was committed and the wrong person convicted a guilty person goes free.
One must look at the reason a woman would lie about something like this. Revenge for any type of slight real or imagined, wanting the activity to be more than sexual gratification, possible thoughts of now being pregnant from unprotected sex, concerns that now many people including her present boy friend will know she was unfaithful, second thoughts after a consensual act. I am not saying that any of these things did happen just listing some possibilities that I have known to have taken place in sexual assault cases.
There are others but these are actual things I have discovered in the investigation of alleged crimes, sometimes people lie. Many times in the past these folks who do this repeatedly have found that telling a lie to police officers and judges will get the police to arrest someone on their say so who is later found not guilty but if they can not make bail they are punished anyway and if they do make bail they are then out the cost of posting bond.
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2 women lied on me in life both for different reasons
one because I told her I was leaving the other to look like a innocent victim
it isn't hard to start to look guilty especially if you have multiple arrests or dwarf the size of the woman in question
one was even known to be physical and people still questioned if I was the innocent or guilty party
so "some" women lie for some really crazy reasons......... it isn't always black n white..............
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If the police had enough evidence they would of.... But they didn't and statements didn't add up so...
That was that and the commish said well...
Even my cowboy fan said WoW not even charged and he got 6 games wtf?
That was that and the commish said well...
Even my cowboy fan said WoW not even charged and he got 6 games wtf?
Any DA on the planet would love to lock up an out-of-town two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback if he had a shred of evidence with which to do it.
There is a "Free Tom Brady" rally at Gillette Stadium on Sunday. Some of you have Facebook invites.
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Maybe your opinionated self, so full of certainty on this subject, could do us all a favor an establish who deserves which of your chosen monikers above?
Produce the evidence (not some bs media story) backing up your small-minded rage at Ben, and educate everyone here who has posted to the contrary
Or show yourself to be the proper bearer of your vindictive slurs because you have been lazy in your pursuit of facts, wrong in your small-minded personal conviction of Ben and a general ******** in this thread.
Which one is it?
Brady is a whinging piece of ****. He got caught with his pants down and wants to "fight to the end". When Ben was suspended based on an unfounded accusation, not an indictment, not a charge filed against him and not a finding of guilt, he followed the Steelers' lead and didn't whine about "the unfairness of it all" like some crying *** prima dona.
And another thing. The NFLPA is a crappy, biased organization. Those buffoons were quick to jump up and file an appeal ON BRADY'S BEHALF. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember the "call to arms" being sounded by the union when it came to Ben. But for those who are caught beating the **** out of their girlfriend/fiance (Rice, Hardy), whipping their kids to the point that they bleed (Peterson) and outright cheating (Brady), the NFLPA is quick to jump up and talk about the player's rights and all that other bullshit. What, the player's didn't have rights while the "Roethlisberger Roustabout and Circle Jerk" was going on?
And another thing. The NFLPA is a crappy, biased organization. Those buffoons were quick to jump up and file an appeal ON BRADY'S BEHALF. Now, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember the "call to arms" being sounded by the union when it came to Ben. But for those who are caught beating the **** out of their girlfriend/fiance (Rice, Hardy), whipping their kids to the point that they bleed (Peterson) and outright cheating (Brady), the NFLPA is quick to jump up and talk about the player's rights and all that other bullshit. What, the player's didn't have rights while the "Roethlisberger Roustabout and Circle Jerk" was going on?
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Che*ts calling ben
kr*ft : dialing BEN:S number with operator assist
operator: Who you want again mr. cheat..... Umm kr*ft
k* : For the fourth time, *****, put me through, fluck we got high school camera boys faster than this
Oper : 1-ringy dingy,...2-ringydingy......,3-ringy thingy.........4-ringy dingy....... mr. kr*ft its you majic number
k* ; Hello Mr. Rothlesburger, I'm the owner of the great New Engl*nd Cheat.. Um P*atriots***
Ben: who the **** are you?
k* : I'm the guy entitled to games n super bowls, regardless of integrity
Ben: Oh hi r*obert................... yor boy t*mmy isin some ****
k* : forget al that my friend, you sure can play, i need a favor outa yaz
Ben : sure thing r*bert, anything yaz want.............. WHAT? why the fluck would i want to help you
k* : I'm sure you didn't mean that, if played right, i can get you a SB or two and yes "HOLDING" calls for James Harrison..
Ben : Well, those do seem enticing, but do I have to have a "smug attitude" or wear a "h**die" ?
k* : No no Ben, those two are nearing the end of their careers, (sigh), I just need you to testify on "rog" unjust sentencing
Ben : Roger Goddell, testify against him, then get me SB wins and HOLDINg calls for James...... ARE u DRUNK or just entitled..
k* : Well BEN, put down your differences, lets make things right. Honesty & integrity are traits you exemplify
This is as much your battle as anybodies. If you would have been treated fair, then none of this would have happened...
Ben : FAIR??? seems to me, if your organization would have done things "FAIR", I'd have two more SBs and you wouldn't have
deflated balls........
k* : Those are t*mmy b*ys balls that are low, i've checked, NOW, here is what I want you to say....... Blah blah blay I always play
with deflated balls blah blah my suspension was two - much blah blah blah..........
BEN: Listen you little apologize wanty prickless user, you n your organization can "red hot poker" it the hell out of here. You stand for such
low form of fairness / integrity / human / mentor / you dont exist in many peoples real world. Just those ******** NE* based fans.
k* : Those are some pretty hard words, the "rog" is going to hear about this........
Ben : You kidding me? You and the "rog" are both on a sinking ****, me i'm just an honest SB winning QB with the best FRANCHISE in
all professional sports, why would I want to TAINT that? Isn't t*ommy b*ys taint enough for you...
k* : Is that really how you want it...... I can make things real easy for you......
Ben : you and t*mmy b*y and the h**die, can all stick the "red hot pocker" in each other Oh and how did you get this number.....
k* : wire tap,.........OOppps, Um, while I was nap it came to me........
Ben: C-L-I-C-K
YOU all know the outside story, this was just a glimps into the world of daily life in ne****
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kr*ft : dialing BEN:S number with operator assist
operator: Who you want again mr. cheat..... Umm kr*ft
k* : For the fourth time, *****, put me through, fluck we got high school camera boys faster than this
Oper : 1-ringy dingy,...2-ringydingy......,3-ringy thingy.........4-ringy dingy....... mr. kr*ft its you majic number
k* ; Hello Mr. Rothlesburger, I'm the owner of the great New Engl*nd Cheat.. Um P*atriots***
Ben: who the **** are you?
k* : I'm the guy entitled to games n super bowls, regardless of integrity
Ben: Oh hi r*obert................... yor boy t*mmy isin some ****
k* : forget al that my friend, you sure can play, i need a favor outa yaz
Ben : sure thing r*bert, anything yaz want.............. WHAT? why the fluck would i want to help you
k* : I'm sure you didn't mean that, if played right, i can get you a SB or two and yes "HOLDING" calls for James Harrison..
Ben : Well, those do seem enticing, but do I have to have a "smug attitude" or wear a "h**die" ?
k* : No no Ben, those two are nearing the end of their careers, (sigh), I just need you to testify on "rog" unjust sentencing
Ben : Roger Goddell, testify against him, then get me SB wins and HOLDINg calls for James...... ARE u DRUNK or just entitled..
k* : Well BEN, put down your differences, lets make things right. Honesty & integrity are traits you exemplify
This is as much your battle as anybodies. If you would have been treated fair, then none of this would have happened...
Ben : FAIR??? seems to me, if your organization would have done things "FAIR", I'd have two more SBs and you wouldn't have
deflated balls........
k* : Those are t*mmy b*ys balls that are low, i've checked, NOW, here is what I want you to say....... Blah blah blay I always play
with deflated balls blah blah my suspension was two - much blah blah blah..........
BEN: Listen you little apologize wanty prickless user, you n your organization can "red hot poker" it the hell out of here. You stand for such
low form of fairness / integrity / human / mentor / you dont exist in many peoples real world. Just those ******** NE* based fans.
k* : Those are some pretty hard words, the "rog" is going to hear about this........
Ben : You kidding me? You and the "rog" are both on a sinking ****, me i'm just an honest SB winning QB with the best FRANCHISE in
all professional sports, why would I want to TAINT that? Isn't t*ommy b*ys taint enough for you...
k* : Is that really how you want it...... I can make things real easy for you......
Ben : you and t*mmy b*y and the h**die, can all stick the "red hot pocker" in each other Oh and how did you get this number.....
k* : wire tap,.........OOppps, Um, while I was nap it came to me........
Ben: C-L-I-C-K
YOU all know the outside story, this was just a glimps into the world of daily life in ne****
Salute the nation
After Ben's quote in this Morning's Post Gazette about how he just goes out and plays with whatever football they give him, I HIGHLY doubt that Brady's lawyer will call Big Ben to testify.
BTW, has the NFL announced how they will keep the footballs in their possession before and during the games to prevent this in the future? Perhaps I missed that announcement
BTW, has the NFL announced how they will keep the footballs in their possession before and during the games to prevent this in the future? Perhaps I missed that announcement
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Skyline, just FYI, posting links to stories from the PG is highly prohibited. Its in the "forum rules" subforum in the "Welcome to Steelernation" forum.
No links no quotes from the bird cage liner. Because of the treatment of this web site by them I will not go to their site. I immediately skip over anything from the steelers site that links to them. They have been shown in the past to take items posted on here and use them as their own ideas later in articles. They will never get a click or subscription from me.
Sorry for the link. I'm not privy to the problems between the parties but I agree after reading the rules and the link has been removed. From what I read in a "certain" Pittburgh newspaper, Big Ben doesn't care what football they give him, he just goes out and plays football.
That sure would NOT be a witness I would call in Tom Brady's case. Perhaps the story was leaked to keep Big Ben off the witness list of Brady. I highly doubt Roger Goodell will call him as a rebuttal witness!
That sure would NOT be a witness I would call in Tom Brady's case. Perhaps the story was leaked to keep Big Ben off the witness list of Brady. I highly doubt Roger Goodell will call him as a rebuttal witness!
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THANK you for the info. I was just wanting the jist of what BEN said. I can't stand the not-mentioned paper either. They were so smug as to let this site know of leagal action if continued to link / copy / etc. BUT on the other hand, they would steal stuff from this site, then print as if their own. FUCK_TArDS @ssholes.
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