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Who’s going to be first coach fired tomorrow?

Of course it is, they couldn't clone Ernie. Only one of him. Their worst season in how long? Amazing what a season of limited sideline access will result in. Watch how magically it all turns around when things open back up.
Hoodies coaching tree is abysmal.



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Of course it is, they couldn't clone Ernie. Only one of him. Their worst season in how long? Amazing what a season of limited sideline access will result in. Watch how magically it all turns around when things open back up.


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Or when you can hide your sidleline sign filmers in the crowd again...
 
Bellicheck's coaching tree is ****. You have Vrabel being successful, but every cast off for the past 20 years has been ****.

Butler should be a HC candidate. He has 4 straight years of 50+ sacks. That is elite with the turnover we've had on D. He will be a HC one day.

I don't believe Vrabel ever coached with the Pats.
 
Bellicheck's coaching tree is ****. You have Vrabel being successful, but every cast off for the past 20 years has been ****.

Butler should be a HC candidate. He has 4 straight years of 50+ sacks. That is elite with the turnover we've had on D. He will be a HC one day.

Belichick has had some successful college coaches and while the stretch of Weis, Crennel, Mangini, O'Brien, McDaniels, and Patricia were bad, Vrabel and Flores are doing pretty well. He's also had guys like Joe Judge and Jedd Fisch hired. Beyond the qualifications of each individual coach--which you can question for many of these guys--they are trying to tap into what Belichick does inside that coaching room. Tomlin's coaches don't even get a sniff. They don't even have agents toss their names out for jobs because no one would take it seriously.
 
Assistant coaches under Bill Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL: Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present) Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–1998), Houston Texans (2002–2005) Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
And I'm not even sure why Wisenhunt isn't listed. Oh and then there is Marvin Lewis. And Dick Lebeau
If you cannot differentiate between the quality of names on that list BROUGHT in by Cower and the cast of Dregs brought in by Tomlin (with the one exception being Munchak) I'm not sure what else to say.
 
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Assistant coaches under Bill Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL: Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present) Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–1998), Houston Texans (2002–2005) Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)

You forgot Marvin Lewis and Dick Lebeau
 
Belichick has had some successful college coaches and while the stretch of Weis, Crennel, Mangini, O'Brien, McDaniels, and Patricia were bad, Vrabel and Flores are doing pretty well. He's also had guys like Joe Judge and Jedd Fisch hired. Beyond the qualifications of each individual coach--which you can question for many of these guys--they are trying to tap into what Belichick does inside that coaching room. Tomlin's coaches don't even get a sniff. They don't even have agents toss their names out for jobs because no one would take it seriously.

This is total money here. And I'm not even arguing the success of Belicheat's guys. I'm saying 14 years and running and at one point there was talk on a second chance for Haley. Ariens was dismissed and made some bones after. Other than that NOTHING. And that has to say something.
 
Bellicheck's coaching tree is ****. You have Vrabel being successful, but every cast off for the past 20 years has been ****.

Butler should be a HC candidate. He has 4 straight years of 50+ sacks. That is elite with the turnover we've had on D. He will be a HC one day.

Yeah I think butler eventually gets some interviews... i don’t envision him as a great hc though...
 
I agree with most of what you all are saying but Arians has had moments of excellence. I think highly of him as a HC.
This is total money here. And I'm not even arguing the success of Belicheat's guys. I'm saying 14 years and running and at one point there was talk on a second chance for Haley. Ariens was dismissed and made some bones after. Other than that NOTHING. And that has to say something.

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Assistant coaches under Bill Cowher that became head coaches in the NFL: Bruce Arians: Indianapolis Colts (2012), Arizona Cardinals (2013–2017), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present) Dom Capers: Carolina Panthers (1995–1998), Houston Texans (2002–2005) Chan Gailey: Dallas Cowboys (1998–1999), Buffalo Bills (2010–2012)
And I'm not even sure why Wisenhunt isn't listed. Oh and then there is Marvin Lewis. And Dick Lebeau
If you cannot differentiate between the quality of names on that list BROUGHT in by Cower and the cast of Dregs brought in by Tomlin (with the one exception being Munchak) I'm not sure what else to say.

Why do you differentiate Arians to being under Cowher but not under Tomlin?

I can stand him as a Coach either way. But it sounds like selective BS.

The “dregs” under Tomlin include 2 DCs and 3 OCs since 2007. 1 of those DC dregs is Dick LeBeau. Should he not have retained him to satisfy your dregs metric?

Cowher had 3 different Coordinators on each side by 7th season. And lot of guys didn’t work out.

Just sounds like mindless Tomlin hate.



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Isn't Belecheat an under 500 coach without Brady as his QB?
 
Let me add to Cowher's a little bit with some rankings:

Unranked: Bruce Arians
Although Arians coached under Cowher, he had DI head coaching experience and was an offensive coordinator at multiple locations. I feel he was what he was and didn't carve out a name for himself while in Pittsburgh while the others really established themselves as a viable candidates while here.


7.Dick LeBeau (Cincinnati: 12-33)
-LeBeau had a long history as a DB coach prior to the Steelers giving him a chance as DC where he got to make his mark. Obviously, he didn't have any success as HC for the Bengals but is still recognized as an innovator on defense. An even better coordinator than Dom Capers, who was terrific himself. He wasn't a good head coach, but a Hall of Fame DC.


6. Dom Capers (Carolina: 30-34; Houston: 18-46; Overall 48-80)
1 playoff appearance in 8 years; 1 division title; 1 NFC Championship game appearance

-Terrific defensive coordinator who got his first chance with the Steelers after a long history as a DB coach. Took over an expansion Carolina Panthers team and had some incredible success early on making the NFC Championship game his second year. Won a Coach of the Year in 1996. I'm not sure the Panthers took the correct approach to team building early on or he may have had some better success. He got another chance with the expansion Houston Texans but did not have any success. It probably didn't help their franchise QB never panned out. He's still in the league and I think is one of the best defensive coaches earlier in his career and it paid off into a long career. I wouldn't call him a complete failure as a HC, but he wasn't a success either.


5. Jim Haslett (New Orleans: 45-51; St. Louis: 2-10)
1 playoff appearance; 1 division title; 1-1 in playoffs

-Haslett had one year of experience as DC with New Orleans before taking over that position for three years with the Steelers. He was able to capitalize this into a HC job with the Saints. He only had one winning season but had an overall record of 45-51 with New Orleans. Moderate success as a head coach.


4. Mike Mularkey (Buffalo: 14-18; Jacksonville: 2-14; Tennessee: 20-21; Overall: 36-53)
1 playoff appearance; 1-1 in playoffs

-Promoted from tight ends coach to OC and did a pretty good job in that role. Got an opportunity with three different NFL teams as a head coach. In just over five seasons, he had three winning seasons. Not a particularly great career but did enough for teams to keep giving him a chance.


3. Chan Gailey (Dallas: 18-14; Buffalo: 16-32; Overall 34-46...Georgia Tech: 44-32)
2 playoff appearances; 1 division title

-Looking at Gailey's history, his coaching experience is fascinating. Prior to going to the Steelers he had experience as a HC, DC, ST coach, DB, WR, TE, and QB coach. Despite having head coaching jobs at Troy State, Birmingham, and Samford, it wasn't until his work as WR coach and then OC for the Steelers that capitalized into a HC job with the Cowboys. He was 18-14 in two years with two playoff appearances. He later had a decent stint with Georgia Tech and struggled in Buffalo. Moderate success as a head coach, but a better coordinator.


2. Ken Whisenhunt (Arizona: 46-51; Tennessee: 3-20; Overall: 48-71)
2 division titles; 2 playoff appearances; 4-2 in playoffs; 1 NFC Championship

A guy many wanted to take over for the Steelers after Bill Cowher retired, Whisenhunt was a terrific OC for us. Went to Arizona and did some incredible work early on with two playoff appearances and an NFC title in his first three years. The wheels fell off after that as Arizona remembered who they were and struggled with the QB situation. Tennessee was a disaster.


1. Marvin Lewis (Cincinnati: 131-122-3)
4 division titles; 7 playoff appearances

-Lewis didn't go directly from the Steelers to a HC job, but he made a name for himself in Pittsburgh as a LB coach. He earned a job with Baltimore under Ted Marchibroda and continued under Billick. HIs defensive philosophy had already been established by this point and did a good job in Cincinnati. Although he didn't win any playoff games he was a huge success as a head coach and probably should get another opportunity.
 
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I hope we fire randy and hire gase he ain’t **** as head coach but mad genius OC. Beat us in playoffs with coaching up Tim Tebow, put up 200 yards rushing on us another time... he coaches up a balanced offense love to see what he could do with our talent. We got the line, receivers, we’ll probably draft a qb to compete with mason and a running back to complete with Connor... with that young defense and the team not being weighted down by ben’s contract, a good solid offensive coordinator like gase really could set things off... Future’s so bright...
 
I wouldn't mind Gase as OC, but i don't think Ben will want to learn another playbook at this point.
 
Take it for what it is worth, I did read on Twitter that Urban Meyer is gathering coaching staff and will be the head coach at Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence and 30 million in cap space are too enticing.
 
Take it for what it is worth, I did read on Twitter that Urban Meyer is gathering coaching staff and will be the head coach at Jacksonville. Trevor Lawrence and 30 million in cap space are too enticing.

he allegedly quit coaching due to health reasons. If he couldn’t take the stress of coaching Ohio State where he only has 2 or 3 games per year where his opponent even has a shot, then how can he handle coaching an NFL team?

if I’m Trevor Lawrence, I’m not happy either. I would want a coach that will develop me into an elite passer, not a coach who will make me a RB who throws.
 
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