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Who Falls Out Of The First Round?

I'd take a long hard look to see who's needing or willing to take a true NT in the first round. I'm thinking one of the top NT's may slide, Shelton, Brown, Goldman, etc.. If Shelton drops, I don't see how the Steelers pass, regardless of what we have now with McLendon, or what other needs we have. He's a one man wrecking crew. But that's not really answering the question posed in this thread, so never mind. ;)
 
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The issue with Winston might be quite a bit different than with Ben. There is no way to know until the trial or a settlement is reached. One thing that may be hanging over him is the suspension possibly by the roger as the justification is all over the place for these. It will be hard to tell what teams are going to do regarding this and some teams may decide to wait for next years 1st round to pick from a deeper class. I suspect that many of these teams need lots of players besides a quarterback and they may go in another direction

I think the collective bargaining agreement prohibits Rog from suspending Winston for actions that occurred before he declared for the draft. Kind of like kids aren't subjected to the drug program for transgressions/failures in college, but are for combine failures. I always wondered why Pryor took that suspension without fighting it.
 
Hmmmm ... I can name another professional QB accused of crimes of a sexual nature, but not indicted, who was charged in a couple of civil lawsuits. That QB was immature also. Would you say he was a criminal? Did he become a Jamarcus Russell? Personally, I would have used Ryan Leaf as the example since he's the criminal and not Russell. Russell was lazy and undisciplined; two traits that as far as football goes, Winston has not displayed according to his coaches.

Personally I think that regardless of our personal opinions on whether Winston is immature, a criminal or a combination of both, some team (probably Tampa) will pick him early in the first round. After all, Peyton Manning went #1 overall and Greg Hardy has found a place to call home.

And after that, you're right ... we'll see what happens.

http://deadspin.com/nfl-exec-drafting-jameis-winston-will-be-a-horrible-m-1700023804

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel surveyed 19 scouts on the NFL prospects of the draft’s top quarterbacks, and they like Marcus Mariota’s chances to succeed a little better than they like Jameis Winston’s. They peg Winston as being about as likely to wash out as to become a competent NFL quarterback, and a handful of the scouts believe Winston has the potential to become an all-time bust.

One even invoked the dreaded JaMarcus Russell comparison:



“With Jameis Winston I see JaMarcus Russell,” a longtime executive in personnel said. “They do dumb things. Isn’t it interesting?”

“Interesting” is an interesting word. The exec continues:


“I see the body. I see the lack of focus. I see the same coach and system. Only Winston’s not as good an athlete and his arm isn’t as strong as JaMarcus’.


[...]

“Is this guy really going to be the first pick of the draft? You’d be drafting a quarterback that can’t run, has off-field problems, has no power in his legs and makes bad decisions on the field.

“Somebody’s going to make a horrible mistake.”

The history of the NFL teaches us that no one knows anything, and the history of pre-draft chatter shows that nothing anyone says should ever be believed. Still, there’s value in this Journal Sentinel poll just because of the number of scouts surveyed, and it indicates just how torn they are on both Winston and Mariota.


All-time great: Mariota one vote, Winston none.

At least one Pro Bowl: Mariota eight, Winston six.

Average starter: Mariota eight, Winston five.

Disappointment: Mariota one, Winston four.

Bust: Mariota one, Winston four.

We emerge with some anonymous quantification of what everyone’s generally believed all winter: that this isn’t a great draft for QBs, but the top two have enough potential that desperate teams probably can’t afford to pass on them. Inherent in that desperation is the chance that it could be a wasted pick that sets a franchise back a few years. The Buccaneers know they’ll be gambling; they just have to be proficient at gauging their odds.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...amarcus-comparison-made-by-unnamed-executive/

Is Jameis Winston the next JaMarcus Russell? He is according to one unnamed executive.

“With Jameis Winston I see JaMarcus Russell,” an unnamed personnel executive told Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

McGinn is a longtime NFL reporter who frequently quotes unnamed scouts and executives ripping top prospects just before the draft. This year he’s found an unnamed executive who’s going all-in on Winston, comparing him to Russell in terms of their mental makeup, their physique and even the fact that both were coached by Jimbo Fisher in college.

“Lack of focus by JaMarcus is what I see in Winston,” the personnel man said. “They’re physically talented, but during the course of a game they kind of lose their focus and just put the ball up for grabs. I see the body. I see the lack of focus. I see the same coach and system. Only Winston’s not as good an athlete and his arm isn’t as strong as JaMarcus’.”

It’s worth noting, however, that Winston was a better college quarterback than Russell was. Russell was good at LSU, but he wasn’t on Winston’s level. Russell was drafted first overall because of his physical tools (6-foot-6 with a cannon for an arm) while Winston is likely to be drafted first overall because he’s a complete quarterback (a Heisman Trophy winner who led his team to a national championship).

Still, McGinn’s reporting makes clear that not everyone believes Winston should be picked first.

“Is this guy really going to be the first pick of the draft? You’d be drafting a quarterback that can’t run, has off-field problems, has no power in his legs and makes bad decisions on the field. Somebody’s going to make a horrible mistake,” another personnel man said.

That somebody is almost certainly going to be the Buccaneers, who appear poised to make Winston the first overall pick on Thursday in the hopes that he’s a No. 1 pick more like Peyton Manning than like JaMarcus Russell.
 
http://deadspin.com/nfl-exec-drafting-jameis-winston-will-be-a-horrible-m-1700023804

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel surveyed 19 scouts on the NFL prospects of the draft’s top quarterbacks, and they like Marcus Mariota’s chances to succeed a little better than they like Jameis Winston’s. They peg Winston as being about as likely to wash out as to become a competent NFL quarterback, and a handful of the scouts believe Winston has the potential to become an all-time bust.

One even invoked the dreaded JaMarcus Russell comparison:



“With Jameis Winston I see JaMarcus Russell,” a longtime executive in personnel said. “They do dumb things. Isn’t it interesting?”

“Interesting” is an interesting word. The exec continues:


“I see the body. I see the lack of focus. I see the same coach and system. Only Winston’s not as good an athlete and his arm isn’t as strong as JaMarcus’.


[...]

“Is this guy really going to be the first pick of the draft? You’d be drafting a quarterback that can’t run, has off-field problems, has no power in his legs and makes bad decisions on the field.

“Somebody’s going to make a horrible mistake.”

The history of the NFL teaches us that no one knows anything, and the history of pre-draft chatter shows that nothing anyone says should ever be believed. Still, there’s value in this Journal Sentinel poll just because of the number of scouts surveyed, and it indicates just how torn they are on both Winston and Mariota.


All-time great: Mariota one vote, Winston none.

At least one Pro Bowl: Mariota eight, Winston six.

Average starter: Mariota eight, Winston five.

Disappointment: Mariota one, Winston four.

Bust: Mariota one, Winston four.

We emerge with some anonymous quantification of what everyone’s generally believed all winter: that this isn’t a great draft for QBs, but the top two have enough potential that desperate teams probably can’t afford to pass on them. Inherent in that desperation is the chance that it could be a wasted pick that sets a franchise back a few years. The Buccaneers know they’ll be gambling; they just have to be proficient at gauging their odds.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...amarcus-comparison-made-by-unnamed-executive/

Is Jameis Winston the next JaMarcus Russell? He is according to one unnamed executive.

“With Jameis Winston I see JaMarcus Russell,” an unnamed personnel executive told Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

McGinn is a longtime NFL reporter who frequently quotes unnamed scouts and executives ripping top prospects just before the draft. This year he’s found an unnamed executive who’s going all-in on Winston, comparing him to Russell in terms of their mental makeup, their physique and even the fact that both were coached by Jimbo Fisher in college.

“Lack of focus by JaMarcus is what I see in Winston,” the personnel man said. “They’re physically talented, but during the course of a game they kind of lose their focus and just put the ball up for grabs. I see the body. I see the lack of focus. I see the same coach and system. Only Winston’s not as good an athlete and his arm isn’t as strong as JaMarcus’.”

It’s worth noting, however, that Winston was a better college quarterback than Russell was. Russell was good at LSU, but he wasn’t on Winston’s level. Russell was drafted first overall because of his physical tools (6-foot-6 with a cannon for an arm) while Winston is likely to be drafted first overall because he’s a complete quarterback (a Heisman Trophy winner who led his team to a national championship).

Still, McGinn’s reporting makes clear that not everyone believes Winston should be picked first.

“Is this guy really going to be the first pick of the draft? You’d be drafting a quarterback that can’t run, has off-field problems, has no power in his legs and makes bad decisions on the field. Somebody’s going to make a horrible mistake,” another personnel man said.

That somebody is almost certainly going to be the Buccaneers, who appear poised to make Winston the first overall pick on Thursday in the hopes that he’s a No. 1 pick more like Peyton Manning than like JaMarcus Russell.

Timothy Richard "Tim" Tebow (/ˈtiːboʊ/; born August 14, 1987) is an American football quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles of the National Football League (NFL). In addition to his playing activities, he received considerable press attention for his public displays of religious faith, both on and off the field. He played college football for the University of Florida, winning the Heisman Trophy in 2007 and appearing on BCS National Championship-winning teams during the 2006 and 2008 seasons. Tebow was selected by the Denver Broncos in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. He has also played for the New York Jets and had a brief stint with the New England Patriots.

Makes Tebow sound like a sure thing when you look at this comparison and the reasons behind why Winston is so good.
 
Winston does not impress me as the type that would put in the required work to become a very good NFL QB. I'm not comparing him to Russell or to anyone for that matter but the red flags are there and he seems too immature to guide an NFL team at this juncture of his life. See I look at the little things that a person might do or say. For instance a couple weeks ago he makes the statement "I'm the best QB in this draft". So why do you have to even make that statement if you feel that you are. To me that sounds like a guy that first may be trying to convince himself, and second feels the threat of another QB like Mariotti and I'm not implying he's better than Winston but merely he feels threated by him. As though he has to assert the fact he should be the first pick. I don't recall guys like Luck, the Mannings, Rivers, Ben as ever making this kind of proclamation. They didn't have to because they were comfortable with who they were and what they could accomplish. This guys smacks of immaturity and I'm sorry if the Bucs make him the first pick I think they are making a huge mistake.
 
The Steelers do. (fall out of the first round)
 
CB Jalen Collins just got red flagged on cbssports for multiple failed drug tests.

Many character issues around on this draft
 
CB Jalen Collins just got red flagged on cbssports for multiple failed drug tests.

Many character issues around on this draft

Hmmm ... was beginning to believe the hype that had him moving up into the first round. Will still have to change my mock though, as I don't believe the Steelers would even sniff in his direction in the second after multiple failed drug tests.
 
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