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What if Bell has a non-football injury and then signs his tender?
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First off here is how I see this BELL thing playing out. 2 ways it will go.
1) He shows up just in time to satisfy the "tag". He plays out the season, NO trade.
2.) He shows up just in time to satisfy the "tag" but the STEELERS contest the "in shape" clause, NO trade.
It's pretty simple as BELL will dictate the time he shows and he will jack it so the STEELERS will miss the trade deadline. He will make them satisfy the tag. One thing he is slipping on though is the "in shape" clause. One other point many may wonder is the 2-game NON-pay. The STEELERS will apply that due to BELL showing up past the trade deadline and justifiably so. BELL could care less as he has already shown that $855G means nothing for his future. AS for the in-shape I believe an independent doctor will examine and determine if he is fit enough to play nfl football. Don't count on the "in-shape" to extend the tag availability into next year.
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1) He shows up just in time to satisfy the "tag". He plays out the season, NO trade.
2.) He shows up just in time to satisfy the "tag" but the STEELERS contest the "in shape" clause, NO trade.
It's pretty simple as BELL will dictate the time he shows and he will jack it so the STEELERS will miss the trade deadline. He will make them satisfy the tag. One thing he is slipping on though is the "in shape" clause. One other point many may wonder is the 2-game NON-pay. The STEELERS will apply that due to BELL showing up past the trade deadline and justifiably so. BELL could care less as he has already shown that $855G means nothing for his future. AS for the in-shape I believe an independent doctor will examine and determine if he is fit enough to play nfl football. Don't count on the "in-shape" to extend the tag availability into next year.
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If he does sit this year, the non-exclusive tender is the only one they can use, and the compensation becomes a first and a third, not two firsts. Given the Steelers can't use the exclusive tender next year, I'm thinking the chances of Bell signing this year's tender is only 50/50, although it would be a big punt to bet on a team being willing to give up a first and a third plus $45-50m guaranteed money.
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The clause requires him to maintain his excellent physical condition, not merely be in shape, so I suspect if he turns up carrying more fat than when he was playing last year, that would fail the requirement. The failure to maintain physical condition clause does not allow the Steelers to extend this year's franchise designation to next season - it only comes into play as a grounds for termination of his contract once he signs it.
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I don't think this is accurate. I believe that if he sits all year, then the ONLY option that the Steelers have is the exclusive right tag. As I understand it, I believe that fact that the Steelers have already TAGGED him twice (even if he doesn't actually sign the second one) means that the exclusive tag is the only option.
Also, I think there is ZERO chance that Bell is TRADED. He will report and sign his tag AFTER October 30th... which means that he cannot be traded this year. He will report and sign BEFORE November 13th so that he receives credit for this year as far as tags are concerned. I would guess that he signs on October 31 or November 1st (maybe even the 2nd or 3rd but before the game on November 4th) so that he has some wiggle room to get in his six games in the event that the Steelers do play hardball and do not pass him on his physical. This would cover the max two weeks that the Steelers could hold him out... meaning that he would STILL get his six games.
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That's not correct. The relevant clause from the Collective Bargaining agreement reads "If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection"
Section 2(a)(i) is the non-exclusive franchise tender. If Bell signs his tender prior to the deadline this year, that is when the Steelers can only use the Exclusive Franchise Tender (or the transition tender, but not the non-exclusive tender) next year. Also, as has been pointed out before, the six games thing is totally irrelevant. All that matters is that Bell signs the tender prior to 5pm the Tuesday following the 10th week of the season. If he does not do that he is not allowed to play this season. If he does not play this season the Steelers have the right to tender him on the same salary as this season. If he does sign the tender prior to the deadline, regardless of what happens after he signs the tender, if the Steelers want to franchise him again next year, it is on the basis of the greater of 144% of his 2018 salary or the franchise amount of the highest paid position.
PS Commenting on the franchise tender without looking at the Collective Bargaining Agreement is a bit like commenting on Steelers games without watching them
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I really don’t care when or if he signs. It’s 850k to next years cap every week he misses. I personally think they need to get Samuels some reps especially in passing downs and use him like we used to use Bell as an extra receiver. I think with that wrinkle in the offense we wouldn’t miss Bell one bit.
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Will Le’Veon Bell sit out the whole year?
Will the Steelers see their modern-day equivalent of Franco Harris? Once Bell misses one regular-season game check, at a pre-tax rate of $855,000, it’s easy to assume that he’ll miss as many as he can while still preserving his ability to hit the open market in 2019. By rule, he must show up by the Tuesday after Week 10 to get credit for his contract and to put the Steelers in the quarterback-franchise-tender-or-let-him-walk-away dilemma after the season.
What if Bell simply doesn’t show up at all? Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette recently raised that possibility in general terms. Let’s address it more specifically: What are the risks and rewards of skipping all of 2018?
If Bell stays away for the full season, the Steelers could use the franchise tag again next year at the same rate as this year: $14.54 million. This means they’d have to carry $14.54 million under the cap while waiting for Bell to show up, or not to show up, picking up $855,000 per week during the regular season if he doesn’t. They also could trade him out from under the tag to a team that could at that point (if the deal is done before July 15) be able to sign him to a long-term contract.
The Steelers also could simply decide to be done with it, not tagging Bell at all, letting him leave via free agency, and getting credit for his exit toward compensatory draft picks in 2020.
If Bell is thinking about not showing up, he’d need to make an educated guess as to which of the three options the Steelers would pursue: (1) tag and squat; (2) tag and trade; or (3) don’t tag at all. And Bell then would have to balance that against the incremental risk of serious injury based on showing up for the final seven weeks of the regular season, at $855,000 pre-tax, in the hopes of ensuring a clear shot at the open market.
Assuming that, at worst, the Steelers would tag Bell in order to trade him, Bell then would need to balance the contract he’d get from a team that has to trade for him after incurring no physical risk (and getting no pay) in 2018 against the contract he’d receive on the wide-open market, but only after getting through seven regular-season games (and perhaps multiple postseason games) healthy enough to have maximum value.
The Bears, for example, paid linebacker Khalil Mack $23.5 million per year in new money while also giving up two first-round picks to the Raiders. What would the Bears have paid Mack if they could have gotten him without giving up the picks? $30 million per year? More?
That’s the analysis in which Bell needs to engage. With a couple of wild cards to potentially complicate it.
First, how willing will Bell be to milk actual or perceived injuries to limit his exposure to injury, from hamstring pulls to concussion-like symptoms to anything else that would minimize the number of times he’s used? Second, would Bell say to the Steelers when the regular season ends (and if the team makes the playoffs), “The window for signing me to a long-term deal has opened again, and I’m not playing in the postseason unless you pay me what I think I’ll get on the open market”? That would be a way to reduce injury risk while also ensuring a ticket to the open market.
That said, the perception/reality that Bell is milking injuries and the reality of walking out on his team for the playoffs would potentially make him less attractive on the open market. Which means that the best way to preserve Bell’s value next year could be to take no money at all this year, hope the Steelers either wouldn’t tag him or tag him and trade him, and then seek from some other team the long-term security the Steelers have consistently refused to provide.
In other words, Steelers fans should prepare for the very real possibility that Bell will never again wear a Steelers uniform. His willingness to trade $855,000 per week to avoid being overused easily could become a willingness to give up the full $14.54 million in an effort to get a lot more than that in 2019.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/23/will-leveon-bell-sit-out-the-whole-year/
Will Le’Veon Bell sit out the whole year?
Will the Steelers see their modern-day equivalent of Franco Harris? Once Bell misses one regular-season game check, at a pre-tax rate of $855,000, it’s easy to assume that he’ll miss as many as he can while still preserving his ability to hit the open market in 2019. By rule, he must show up by the Tuesday after Week 10 to get credit for his contract and to put the Steelers in the quarterback-franchise-tender-or-let-him-walk-away dilemma after the season.
What if Bell simply doesn’t show up at all? Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette recently raised that possibility in general terms. Let’s address it more specifically: What are the risks and rewards of skipping all of 2018?
If Bell stays away for the full season, the Steelers could use the franchise tag again next year at the same rate as this year: $14.54 million. This means they’d have to carry $14.54 million under the cap while waiting for Bell to show up, or not to show up, picking up $855,000 per week during the regular season if he doesn’t. They also could trade him out from under the tag to a team that could at that point (if the deal is done before July 15) be able to sign him to a long-term contract.
The Steelers also could simply decide to be done with it, not tagging Bell at all, letting him leave via free agency, and getting credit for his exit toward compensatory draft picks in 2020.
If Bell is thinking about not showing up, he’d need to make an educated guess as to which of the three options the Steelers would pursue: (1) tag and squat; (2) tag and trade; or (3) don’t tag at all. And Bell then would have to balance that against the incremental risk of serious injury based on showing up for the final seven weeks of the regular season, at $855,000 pre-tax, in the hopes of ensuring a clear shot at the open market.
Assuming that, at worst, the Steelers would tag Bell in order to trade him, Bell then would need to balance the contract he’d get from a team that has to trade for him after incurring no physical risk (and getting no pay) in 2018 against the contract he’d receive on the wide-open market, but only after getting through seven regular-season games (and perhaps multiple postseason games) healthy enough to have maximum value.
The Bears, for example, paid linebacker Khalil Mack $23.5 million per year in new money while also giving up two first-round picks to the Raiders. What would the Bears have paid Mack if they could have gotten him without giving up the picks? $30 million per year? More?
That’s the analysis in which Bell needs to engage. With a couple of wild cards to potentially complicate it.
First, how willing will Bell be to milk actual or perceived injuries to limit his exposure to injury, from hamstring pulls to concussion-like symptoms to anything else that would minimize the number of times he’s used? Second, would Bell say to the Steelers when the regular season ends (and if the team makes the playoffs), “The window for signing me to a long-term deal has opened again, and I’m not playing in the postseason unless you pay me what I think I’ll get on the open market”? That would be a way to reduce injury risk while also ensuring a ticket to the open market.
That said, the perception/reality that Bell is milking injuries and the reality of walking out on his team for the playoffs would potentially make him less attractive on the open market. Which means that the best way to preserve Bell’s value next year could be to take no money at all this year, hope the Steelers either wouldn’t tag him or tag him and trade him, and then seek from some other team the long-term security the Steelers have consistently refused to provide.
In other words, Steelers fans should prepare for the very real possibility that Bell will never again wear a Steelers uniform. His willingness to trade $855,000 per week to avoid being overused easily could become a willingness to give up the full $14.54 million in an effort to get a lot more than that in 2019.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/23/will-leveon-bell-sit-out-the-whole-year/
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This STEELERS fan will be happy when he (bell) is gone and the sooner the better. NOT a new revolution but bell can be replaced much cheaper and not miss much of a beat. (CONNER vs Browns). Bell is a MAIN distraction, his little "twitt's" affect all players. STEELERS franchise, get what you can but please never a STEELERS uniform again.
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Already been since he didn't show up by Week 2. Probably a long shot since the defense is so awful but I'd like to see them turn it around and win the SB without him.
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His rapping really sucks. Miami might be his new permanent home.
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I can't even bring myself to listen to it. Just like I never watch a Mike Tomlin press conference, I'll just get irritated.