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We're at 8 wins. You know what that means????

Vader said:
No he did not. He went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe. It was the 2000 season. The worst season he had with Brady was a 9-7 season in 2002.
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Wasn't Bledsoe considered a "Franchise Quarterback" at one time? i.e. most of his career until he got injured and replaced.
 
Steelz said:
Joe Flacco (Ravens) 4-9
Andrew Luck (Colts) 6-7
Phillip Rivers (Chargers) 3-10
Sam Bradford (Eagles) 6-7
Eli Manning (Giants) 6-7
Matt Ryan (Falcons) 6-7
Drew Breeze (Saints) 5-8

All these teams with Pro Bowl Quarterbacks and they're not winnning games... I guess it takes more than just one player to win in this league after all.. It takes putting together and keeping a good team all around even after players come and go. Great job Mike Tomlin on never having a losing season.
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Drew "Breeze." lol

Ben's better than any of those quarterbacks you listed, and Brees is the only one who's close. And yet 3 of them have won 4 Super Bowls in the Tomlin era. Also, please don't try and compare a bum like Sam Bradford to Roethlisberger...that's just silly.
 
while it is a often joint decision on some picks, Cowher inherited DE Smith by Dumbhoe, OLB Porter it was him and Colbert that when we had cap room made wise decisions and wise joint picks
C Hartings DE MLB Farrior Kimo FS Alexander Logan Hope
draft wise Casey, Foote Randle EL Troy Ben overruled by Rooney's as Cohwer wanted cry me a river. Miller Ike Mcfadden
Tonio
Tomlin/Colbert Timmons Woodley Gay heyward Tuitt(they can thank Lebeau) Shazier Decastro Brown Sanders Wallace
Clark Mclendon Foster, Decastro Pouncey Gilbert
Tomlin @ Colbert have been a disaster duo getting CB hoping Golsen @ Grant break that trend.
busts
sweed
hood
thomas both
Allen
time will tell on Jones, Shazier if they can be dominent 3-4 LB's
 
Steelz said:
Not sure what games you were watching but Tomlin's not the reason why we lost the Raven or Seahawk game. As far as not winning playoff games, you'd think players control the outcome when they dont perform on the field dont you? Tomlin doesnt throw interceptions, fumble, kick field goals, etc. Then to have injuries to main profile players and expected to win with people just signed off the street. Its rather pointless explaining the same things to people who just already have thier mind set on blaming the coach no matter what.
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Just as it's rather tedious explaining the same things to people who have their minds set on absolving the head coach of any blame, no matter what. People who forget that the Steelers had a very viable backup to that main profile player on the roster earlier in the season, yet are so proud of their hero for "making a statement."
 
Buff said:
He also went 5-11 one year with Brady as his QB
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Right. I know it's hard to believe, but quarterbacks who are picked at the end of the sixth round don't generally start in their rookie years.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Wasn't Bledsoe considered a "Franchise Quarterback" at one time? i.e. most of his career until he got injured and replaced.
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Seriously what does that have to do with what I said? He said Brady and Billicheat went 5-11 one year. It's not true. So what Bledsoe is considered or what a franchise QB is has nothing to do with my post.
 
topseed said:
Right. I know it's hard to believe, but quarterbacks who are picked at the end of the sixth round don't generally start in their rookie years.
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It's not true anyway.
 
It means we are at mediocre and need 2 more wins to hit "good".
 
Vader said:
It's not true anyway.
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Well, it's true in the sense that Brady was on the roster, or "with" Belichick in 2000, I guess.

I think Buff was trying to make the point that Belichick wasn't prudent enough to start Brady immediately at the time, but that makes no sense. Even as the #11 pick, Ben was still on the bench as Tommy Maddox's backup. No one had any idea what Brady, picked 199th, was going to turn out to be.
 
topseed said:
Well, it's true in the sense that Brady was on the roster, or "with" Belichick in 2000, I guess.

I think Buff was trying to make the point that Belichick wasn't prudent enough to start Brady immediately at the time, but that makes no sense. Even as the #11 pick, Ben was still on the bench as Tommy Maddox's backup. No one had any idea what Brady, picked 199th, was going to turn out to be.
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Not sure anyone would blame Bilicheat for not starting a 6th round draft pick in his rookie year. I'm hoping that Buff just missed the year.
 
Tomlin here....I am here to acknowledge my coaching is obviously above the line. Obviously my pedigree speaks for itself. I don't live in my fears, I take calculated risks associated with victory, obviously.

Steel sharpening Steel if you will.

Splash plays obviously we will need more of them. We accept that in our war of attrition. The standard is the standard men, as we have a capable group of guys.

Yeah we set the bar high around here and I embrace that. It is time to unleash hell in December. If one man goes down we don't have backups, we have starters in waiting.

Quite frankly when it comes to wins we will throw style points out the window, Obviously I have the players crawl around on the field during practice, as we will defend every blade of grass!

.....as there is a fine line between drinking wine and squashing grapes.

Moving forward we have had to give Blake less playing time, as he hasn't been playing above the neck football, obviously. We've been dead Indians in his cowboy movie before, but I will just keep going to the mattresses until the job is done.

questions?
 
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Vader said:
Seriously what does that have to do with what I said? He said Brady and Billicheat went 5-11 one year. It's not true. So what Bledsoe is considered or what a franchise QB is has nothing to do with my post.
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Ahhh, I must have misread the "tenor" of the argument ... Thought you guys were following the same old "franchise QB" script as usual. You can't blame me, it's not as if there's been a fresh idea or thought on this subject in years. My apologies though ...
 
topseed said:
Tomlin's record in games not started by Ben is 8-7:

2007: 0-1
2008: 0-0
2009: 0-1
2010: 3-1
2011: 1-0
2012: 1-2
2013: 0-0
2014: 0-0
2015: 3-2

Of course, one of those 2015 wins counted for Landry Jones, even though it was Ben who came in early and won the Cleveland game. So it's more like .500. "Pretty damn good" is a little bit of a stretch.
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It's still not a losing ratio, Topseed.
 
topseed said:
Belichick went 11-5 during the one year Brady was injured, including 10-5 with Matt Cassel starting. Cassel is 25-38 as a starter elsewhere.

I expect Belichick to retire when Brady does. Tomlin might want to consider doing the same thing when Ben hangs it up.
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BeliCHEAT is his name. Get it right.
 
topseed said:
Drew "Breeze." lol

Ben's better than any of those quarterbacks you listed, and Brees is the only one who's close. And yet 3 of them have won 4 Super Bowls in the Tomlin era. Also, please don't try and compare a bum like Sam Bradford to Roethlisberger...that's just silly.
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You can thank my phone's spell check for that one. And although I could go the route of the fact that your opinion is well.. Just what it is, just a matter of opinion because there has been times before this year that Ben has played worse at times than those mentioned, you probably forgot all the years of "holding on to the ball too long" "not able to read a defense", there was a time not too long ago where people thought Landry Jones was in line to take Ben's job. But neither of that is even the point. The point is, you can still Have a pro bowl QB, a super bowl winning mvp QB, a future HoF QB... And still have losing seasons. The fact Tomlin hasn't had one is pretty remarkable considering all the bad years Ben didn't play well. But I still don't care to say the same things over and over for 100+ pages so, it is what it is. Opinions is Opinions.
 
Cope said:
Interesting research, in the Superbowl era 2 coaches hit 10 seasons (John Madden and Dennis Green). Shula leads with 13 seasons before a losing season.
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how many super bowl wins are included in those seasons?
 
lets just go win a superbowl! I'm ready to see another one. That's all i care about.
 
to the original poster, in answer to your question "only three more to go to get to eleven"




Salute the nation
 
Coach said:
Ben is the team. With better coaching in the Ravens and Seahawks game, we have 9 or 10 wins right now!

Tomlin has not won a playoff game since January 1 2012. That's way too long
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One man huh.....? So when we lose to the ****** opponents we should blame Ben ? He IS the team ......
 
bermudasteel said:
Why? Because they're both black? Enlightened me with your explanation.
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that is the only thing they have in common as Tomlin might not be the best coach but he is light years away from anything Dennis Green was.
 
Noll made it to the AFCCG with Mark Malone at QB, Cowher made it with Kordell Stewart, twice. Tomlin has only known Ben as his starting QB.

Just sayin'.
 
Troglodyte said:
Noll made it to the AFCCG with Mark Malone at QB, Cowher made it with Kordell Stewart, twice. Tomlin has only known Ben as his starting QB.

Just sayin'.
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not a tomlin apologist but all has to be compared in context, before QBs weren't soooo important as now that rules make it a pass happy league. Also they had other strengths that this team doesn't have (Defense, Oline).

Tomlin has kept this boat afloat through a lot of injuries, many other teams would already be out of the playoff hunt and I'm saying this even though I didn't like the extension that he got cause I think he hadn't earned it at the moment (give me playoffs wins and I'll give you a new contract)
 
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