Wallace played the position extremely well. Makes me wonder why we gave so much to Pouncey. Not saying he isn't great, just saying coin could have helped other positions.
Wallace vs Pouncey. Yeah again
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Did anybody even look at the filming things Pouncey is able to do. The wrinkles we are able to do as an offense when he is in. He not only helps Ben but the running game as well. It's not close between Wallace and Pouncey. Comparing Shazier injuries to Pouncey is stupid. Pouncey had someone fall on his legs twice how is that comparable to Shazier??
This was our rankings at the half way point last year.
12. Pittsburgh Steelers (13th)
Pass blocking rank: 5th
Run blocking rank: 20th
Penalties rank: 23rd
Stud: You don’t normally mention the name of Ramon Foster (85.8), but he’s playing at a really high level now.
Dud: It’s hard to replace a talent like Maurkice Pouncey. Cody Wallace (32.6) is really confirming that.
Summary: Injuries have the potential to cripple this line, which is a real shame, because over the years, the Steelers have done a tremendous job acquiring talent.
Wallace must of improved a hell of a lot to get to playing extremely well
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There were some rumblings last year that some coaches were basically calling Shazier's injuries soft, so not just the fans.
I look forward to having Pouncey back in the lineup next year. He's the leader of the offensive line and one of the hardest working players I've watched in camp. Just hope for no freak injuries next season.
Elite means he has talent that makes him a cut above even great players. Wether he is "elite" or not should have nothing today with wether he is over paid (i don't think he is) or injury prone (maybe). Were Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis NOT elite players because they had their careers cut short by injury?
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Pouncey's mobility is his downfall. The guy gets his block, then gets to the second level- great!!! Then someone falls on his legs from behind at the second level because he is so damn mobile and injures him. Yep it's his fault he frequently gets to the second level for a block, just unfortunate for him.
The injury from DeCastro I fully put on coaching. How can they ask him to make that block (the one that took him out) when it is something they never practiced live because it is too dangerous? That lost season was just not thought out too well.
As for Wallace, he is not in Pouncey's league ability wise. Wallace is serviceable and does have a mean streak I think the OL feeds off though.
I think we lose Foster this offseason and would be all for trying Pouncey at LG to try to get him through a season. Foster made protection adjustments, something Pouncey is familiar with as well. Having 2 guards that have that type of athletic ability could really bring back the pulling guard plays and give us versatility as to which guard would pull. Just spit balling here.
The injury from DeCastro I fully put on coaching. How can they ask him to make that block (the one that took him out) when it is something they never practiced live because it is too dangerous? That lost season was just not thought out too well.
As for Wallace, he is not in Pouncey's league ability wise. Wallace is serviceable and does have a mean streak I think the OL feeds off though.
I think we lose Foster this offseason and would be all for trying Pouncey at LG to try to get him through a season. Foster made protection adjustments, something Pouncey is familiar with as well. Having 2 guards that have that type of athletic ability could really bring back the pulling guard plays and give us versatility as to which guard would pull. Just spit balling here.
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Who do you plug in at center then? Please don't say Cody Wallace.
Cody wallace is a journeyman backup.. He needs a ton of help and limits the offense... He also does dumber things than kemo but gets caught less thus far... For the record, based on av... And counting in injuries, pouncey was still ranked the 13th best player taken in that draft when pff reviewed it this offseason. If people quit rolling up on his ankles hed be top 10 and likely top 5....
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Wallace does know how to plug a crack
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We don't need a center. As long as Maurkice Pouncey is on the active roster in any position whatsoever, having an active center is an insult to his athleticism. Just put the ball on the ground and have Ben pick it up himself.
That's literally how bad Cody Wallace is.
Cody Wallace is so bad the Steelers would be better off having DeCastro trying to tackle Ben. We know from past experience that Pouncey will undoubtedly deflect the blows.
Cody Wallace is so bad we may even consider petitioning the league to remove the entire offensive line excepting the sheer will of Maurkice Pouncey, projected from the sidelines in gray sweatpants as that jron will shall no doubt do a better job of run and pass blocking than Cody Wallace or his sad-sack band of pretenders ever could.
That's literally how bad Cody Wallace is.
Cody Wallace is so bad the Steelers would be better off having DeCastro trying to tackle Ben. We know from past experience that Pouncey will undoubtedly deflect the blows.
Cody Wallace is so bad we may even consider petitioning the league to remove the entire offensive line excepting the sheer will of Maurkice Pouncey, projected from the sidelines in gray sweatpants as that jron will shall no doubt do a better job of run and pass blocking than Cody Wallace or his sad-sack band of pretenders ever could.
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Well, being that it IS football, "having trouble" with guys bigger guys is going to go against this idea of being an "elite" center. Again, not saying Pouncey is "bad" or "unsatisfactory", but he damn sure isnt elite, and you better believe that his availability plays into that as well. And, just what exactly does he do, that "no other center can do"? Lets hear the technical analysis of it.
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Lol you're really trying to equate pouncey with gale sayers and terrell davis?? Okkkkk, moving onto the next thread...
Is Ben Elite?? Is Ben perfect? You can be elite and have a weakness and with Pouncey its not all bigger guys its the one who are bigger then him and and almost just as quick. There was only one of them and he played for Baltimore. Ngata
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It's obvious that the common theme is that Pouncey is an All Pro center WHEN healthy, however that is the issue. Whether it be bad luck or weak genes he is off the field too much for what the team is paying him. Something has to change in his playing time and availability for this argument to warrant merit. Wallace is raw and not as mobile, but he was on the field. Do we look else where and lose a **** ton of money on Pouncey, or do we roll the dice and hope he stays healthy and we get to see the benefits he brings...for me that's a very big gamble at this point.
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Bottom-line....Pouncey is a great player. A great center who has only played in 17 games in the last three seasons. That's the rub. You can actually reach back further if you want when he went down in the 2010 playoffs and missed the Super Bowl against the Packers. I actually felt he could have made a difference in that game...without him the Steelers were down 6 points with the ball and 2 minutes on the clock. Anyhow, the Steelers have a ton of money tied up in a great player we don't see when they need him most. Imagine playing with Wallace and being able to use those dollars for a top flight CB last year. Could have made a ton of difference.
Pouncey isn't going anywhere, this isn't like Woodley where he wasn't in shape and was pulling a hammy, or a calf, or a groin every time he gets injured. The money is an issue to, it'll be a bigger cap hit if we cut him, so we keep him and tell the other offensive players to quit ******* getting thrown into the back of his legs and stay on their feet.
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If that is the guard setup maybe a guy like Ben Jones if he could be brought in for less than it would take to resign Foster. If Foster cheaper than Jones stick with Foster...I will oblige and not say mr. Nasty
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I'd say you stick with Pouncey due to his obvious ability. But you sure as **** talk he and his agent into restructuring a deal to account for the fact that he has been paid for wearing leisure suits quite a bit for the last few years. I would say Pouncey ought to strongly consider giving the Steelers the benefit of the negotiation advantage when he's asked to come to the table.
If he choses not to, by all means play him until his contract is no longer bearable then let him go. I don't hate him, I just need him. And everyone beats the living **** out of the guy who ******* backs him up and actually ******* plays, while Pouncey gets paid a mint to sit on the sidelines and be considered the best non-active center in the universe.
That's ******* awesome! For Pouncey!
If he choses not to, by all means play him until his contract is no longer bearable then let him go. I don't hate him, I just need him. And everyone beats the living **** out of the guy who ******* backs him up and actually ******* plays, while Pouncey gets paid a mint to sit on the sidelines and be considered the best non-active center in the universe.
That's ******* awesome! For Pouncey!
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Fernando Velasco I think was even better than Wallace. Velasco replaced Pouncey the first time he was hurt, and upgraded the run blocking.
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Velasco also has the position versatility we love, he had past work experience with Munch and was gone as soon as Munch was hired. Not sure if there is any connection, but I liked Velasco a lot for what he brought us in a pinch.
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I'd take him over Legs, Wallace or Hubbard. Over any two of those guys. Speaking of Munch, he's outstanding.
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Agreed, I think Velasco is pretty solid for the most part
Gotta agree with Wig on the 2nd post in this thread. My opinion, when healthy Pouncey over Wallace no doubt. But...Wallace stays healthy and is a legit center. Sure the guy has some Willie Colon like penalties here and there. But these guys are trying to protect Ben including after the whistle
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Munch did cut Velasco twice-both at Tenn. and here. So seems he doesn't agree with you.