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The way I see it a few jobs and sub package jobs will be settled in camp and the pre-season games.


Starting Saftey
. I think Golden will likely start. It will be interesting to see what Davis has. I tend to think Davis will have issues in coverage, and might need more time that fans think to adjust to the position partly because he started quite a few games as a cornerback.


Slot Corner. Golson, who has not played a down in the NFL is the favorite. Grant might get a chance too. If neither can't handle the job, the Steelers might move Gay inside to the slot if Burns can hold his own on the outside for some sub packages.


Punter. Berry is the incumbent. He has good touch but lacks leg strength. Monday has a bigger leg and some interesting options as a runner or passer on 4th down. Monday will need to prove he can drop them inside the 20 yard line to play on Sunday's.


Kick Returner. Wheaton is a good kickoff man. Brown is a good punt return man. On paper, we are fine here, but there is a risk. Brown could be too valuable to risk as a punt return man. Ayers was drafted as a receiver, but his best chance to make the team is to shine as a return man. He has some moves, but is slower than you want and is slight of build. Coates is very fast and powerful when he has the ball in his hands. I wonder how he'd do on kickoffs? I like to see!


Cornerback. Gay is a lock to start. Cockrell held his own last year, but I worry a bit about his long-term speed. Burns looks raw on film but has better overall physical skills and playmaking skills. It tends to doubt Burns starts, but I like to see the coaching staff start him in pre-season game #1 and #2, just to see what he has to offer out of the gate.


Nose Tackle. I'm not a big Dan fan. He's a limited type of player, good for obvious running downs. Outside of that, he's slow, and I question his stamina as his snap counts go up. Rookie Javon Hargrave is a much better option in the 4 man front, nickel or dime. If Hargrave can hold his own vs the run, we might have a really good player. In this case, I'll say Hargrave plays more snaps.


My calls barring injuries are:

Saftey - Golden

Slot Corner - Golson

Punter - Monday

Kick Returner - NO CHANGE. Same players as last year.

Cornerback - Cockrell opens the season as the starter.

Nose Tackle. Hargrave to play more snaps. McCullers
has the edge to have his name called when they introduce the starters.
 

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Ayers was drafting for his skills as a kick returner......yes he is a WR, but he would not have been drafted if he was not at the top of the Steelers list of returners......
 

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Too true Coolie, took the words out of my mouth.
 

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Kick returner will be one main gig to watch, You mentioned Ayers and Coates but not Rogers ? I honestly don't think either Brown or Wheaton even participate, at least early on. I'll even bet there's at least one more we don't know is being slotted as a KR

At safety we will see a big time knockdown dragout affair with the most talent we have seen back there in awhile.

28 Davis, Sean S 6-1 202 22
21 Golden, Robert S 5-11 202 25
23 Mitchell, Mike S 6-1 221 29
29 Thomas, Shamarko S 5-9 205 ...I don't count him out yet, there are a lot of not too bright players with athletic ability in the NFL
35 Ventrone, Ross S 5-8 198 29 ...gets a leg up for ST's alone but not much else
39 Vinopal, Ray S 5-10 197 24 ......we'll see ?
37 Dangerfield, Jordan S 5-11 199 25...he's been kept around for some reason ?

and don't forget the coaches pet sittin' by the phone

No more than 5 will stay, so the gloves have to come off sooner than later

At CB, as an aside....I predict slot corner is Gays to lose, he was getting beat deep last year a little and I don't think he's gotten faster. He can move outside in sub packages with cushions but I don't think he will end up outside in base 3/4 after the dust settles. Besides..he and the new FA Washington are the elders of this group.

25 Burns, Artie CB 6-0 197 21
31 Cockrell, Ross CB 6-0 191 24
22 Gay, William CB 5-10 187 31
27 Golson, Senquez CB 5-9 176 23
24 Grant, Doran CB 5-10 200 23
44 Shabazz, Al-Hajj CB 6-2 200 23 ...coaches evidently like this kid
30 Washington, Donald CB 6-1 197 30 ...camp fodder or reliable experience ??

Good raw talent competition here too. 5 will stay for sure here and maybe another CB/S for ST's

damn it's been a long off-season
 

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Doubt Monday beats out Berry, but who cares they are punters.
 

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Pretty good write up Coach other than the Ayers part. I'd like to see Coats in more action and maybe KR is that role.




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Ayers was drafting for his skills as a kick returner......yes he is a WR, but he would not have been drafted if he was not at the top of the Steelers list of returners......


I like the fact they Steelers did not blow a 3rd round pick on Dri Archer 2.0, but I do not have high hopes for Ayers. I still think he's too slow and goes down easily when contact is made. We'll see.

A few years back, the Steelers brought in rookie free agent Reggie Dunn. Dunn had 4TD return scores in his senior year and 4.25 speed to match. Dunn looked good in the pre-season as a return man, but it wasn't enough to make the team.

Tomlin can be partial to special teams players, but usually that spot is for a defensive player who adds something to the kick coverage units.
 

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Pretty good write up Coach other than the Ayers part. I'd like to see Coats in more action and maybe KR is that role.




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I don't want to go overboard when I say this, but with the ball in his hands in the open field, Coates reminds me of a prime Terrell Ownes.

This is to say a very powerful runner & tough to tackle a guy who's also fast. This is why I think Coates would make very good kickoff return man.
 

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SteelChip;265121 Kick returner will be one main gig to watch, You mentioned Ayers and Coates but not Rogers ? I honestly don't think either Brown or Wheaton even participate, at least early on. I'll even bet there's at least one more we don't know is being slotted as a KR


I don't know a lot about him. to be honest. I looked him up . Rogers is one of those smaller and lighter receivers with a pro day 4.57 in the forty. In college, he was okay as a punt return man but did not return kickoffs.

Stats in college for Punt returns: 29 returns, 248 yards, 8.6 yards per turn. No scores.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/eli-rogers-1.html

With Bryant gone, some lucky bubble player at WR will make the team, but I don't think that player will be Rogers.
 

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And don't discount Markus Tucker. Another smaller, not so fast 4.55 40 return man option from a small school.

2015: Served as team captain for the second-straight season. Named the team's Offensive MVP and the school's Male Athlete of the Year. Led the Wildcats in receptions (79), tied for first in receiving touchdowns (9) and ranked second in receiving yards (813). Among GLIAC receivers, finished eighth in receiving yards per game (73.9) and tied for fifth in receiving touchdowns. Also averaged 25.1 yards on kickoff returns. Became the eighth Wildcat in program history to catch three touchdown passes in a single game against Quincy Sept. 12. Earned a spot on the all-GLIAC first team.

2014: Served as team captain. Named the team's Offensive MVP. Earned Beyond Sports Network all-region third team, Don Hansen all-region first team and all-GLIAC second team accolades. Led GLIAC with an average of 21.1 yards per reception. Also ranked fourth in the league in all-purpose yards, racking up 1,704. Finished seventh in the league with seven touchdowns. Was the top receiver for the Wildcats, accumulating 843 yards. Also racked up 841 yards in kick returns, averaging 26.3 yards per return. Posted longest reception (67 yards) of the season in the season finale win over Findlay. Also had an 87-yard kick return against Wayne State.

http://nmuwildcats.com/sports/fball/2015-16/bios/tucker_marcus_0hbo?view=bio
 

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I like the fact they Steelers did not blow a 3rd round pick on Dri Archer 2.0, but I do not have high hopes for Ayers. I still think he's too slow and goes down easily when contact is made. We'll see.

A few years back, the Steelers brought in rookie free agent Reggie Dunn. Dunn had 4TD return scores in his senior year and 4.25 speed to match. Dunn looked good in the pre-season as a return man, but it wasn't enough to make the team.

Tomlin can be partial to special teams players, but usually that spot is for a defensive player who adds something to the kick coverage units.

then you obviously haven't watched **** on Ayers....
 

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then you obviously haven't watched **** on Ayers....

Are you by chance related to him? Yeah I saw some clips. Decent college player. Too small and too slow to be a factor the NFL. But like I said with Bryant out, someone is going to have to take the 5th WR spot. If we could have him for cheap, I thought Devin Hester was worth the gamble
 

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Don't discount Shamarko. This is his make or break year. He's my darkhorse.
 

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Nice breakdown, Coach, but no battle for left tackle? AV vs. Harris should be pretty good. As long as Villanueva continues to progress, I believe the job is his.
 

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Are you by chance related to him? Yeah I saw some clips. Decent college player. Too small and too slow to be a factor the NFL. But like I said with Bryant out, someone is going to have to take the 5th WR spot. If we could have him for cheap, I thought Devin Hester was worth the gamble

No I am not related...but I have watched way more game film of this kid and know you are discounting him without having much to go on. I have said before he is a longshot to make the team, but with his return skills (which the Steelers liked) he has a chance.....
 

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I don't want to go overboard when I say this, but with the ball in his hands in the open field, Coates reminds me of a prime Terrell Ownes.

This is to say a very powerful runner & tough to tackle a guy who's also fast. This is why I think Coates would make very good kickoff return man.

I agree. I have high expectations out Coates this season
 

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Are you by chance related to him? Yeah I saw some clips. Decent college player. Too small and too slow to be a factor the NFL. But like I said with Bryant out, someone is going to have to take the 5th WR spot. If we could have him for cheap, I thought Devin Hester was worth the gamble

Coolie is from Houston so he's seen Ayers a ton. If what Coolie says holds up. Then Ayers has a chance to be something special. Hines wasn't very big or fast himself, look how his career turned out
 

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Ayers was drafting for his skills as a kick returner......yes he is a WR, but he would not have been drafted if he was not at the top of the Steelers list of returners......

let me add this, with Martavis out for the season the risk of losing Brown, hell even Wheaton is too high as there's not as much depth as previous year. Yes I know Coates can breakout this season and I hope he does but the Steelers did go for a specialist in the draft, and got exactly who they were wishing would fall to them. So yes, my money is in Ayers to start.
 

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Don't discount Shamarko. This is his make or break year. He's my darkhorse.

Sorry. Last year was Shamarko didn't make and broke year. They didn't draft Davis because they thought Shamarko was a starter. Turn him over he is done.

agree that they definitly don't trust Shamarko but maybe they see Golden more fit for the FS slot as he is not that much of a thumper against the running game, so maybe just maybe Sham, if he shines in TC and preseason, could get playing time at SS in running downs.

Still, there's a reason also that they resigned Golden so fast, the kid is dependable and can play both positions. Hope he gets to shut some people that says he's nothing more than a journeyman
 

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agree that they definitly don't trust Shamarko but maybe they see Golden more fit for the FS slot as he is not that much of a thumper against the running game, so maybe just maybe Sham, if he shines in TC and preseason, could get playing time at SS in running downs.

Still, there's a reason also that they resigned Golden so fast, the kid is dependable and can play both positions. Hope he gets to shut some people that says he's nothing more than a journeyman


Don't be surprised, as Steel Chip alluded to, to see Will Allen brought back before the end of camp or before the start of the regular season.
 

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I don't know a lot about him. to be honest. I looked him up . Rogers is one of those smaller and lighter receivers with a pro day 4.57 in the forty. In college, he was okay as a punt return man but did not return kickoffs.

Stats in college for Punt returns: 29 returns, 248 yards, 8.6 yards per turn. No scores.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/eli-rogers-1.html

With Bryant gone, some lucky bubble player at WR will make the team, but I don't think that player will be Rogers.

Not sayin' he even has a real chance but he did get some props from AB.....while he is indeed a long shot, strange things happen sometimes.

Here’s a theory: Antonio Brown’s profile picture is a duck because he has taken up-and-coming wide receiver Eli Rogers under his wing. Undrafted in 2015, Rogers showed promise in the preseason until he was sidelined with an injury. Now, ready to put in some work, he is relying on big brother Antonio Brown to help him develop into the latest contributor on the Steelers vaunted offense.

Brown isn’t the only member of the franchise eager to see Rogers develop into a star player. Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said of the younger wide receivers, via the Post-Gazette, “We feel good about Sammie Coates. And we have a kid, Eli Rogers, who, prior to getting hurt in training camp (2015) showed some promise.”

At 5’10” and 180 pounds, Rogers is the exact same height and weight as Brown. Another similarity? Brown was a late-round draft pick and Rogers went undrafted. Brown’s story of unexpected success is likely an inspiration to Rogers, who was overlooked in the 2015 draft.
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...ntonio-brown-takes-eli-rogers-under-his-wing/

As long as As long as Villanueva continues to progress, I believe the job is his.

Me too 448, plus Harris can swing while Villanueva only has time at LT

Don't be surprised, as Steel Chip alluded to, to see Will Allen brought back before the end of camp or before the start of the regular season.

That would be very disappointing, all that talent available and we bring back a 34 YO retread. I would think bringing him back would signal some kinda serious trouble.
 
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I don't want to go overboard when I say this, but with the ball in his hands in the open field, Coates reminds me of a prime Terrell Ownes.

This is to say a very powerful runner & tough to tackle a guy who's also fast. This is why I think Coates would make very good kickoff return man.

You compare him to Owens but Owens didn't do any special on KO returns.
 

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I guess this kid Rogers may really have something Coach, at least for now anyway.

Kick return line. The usual suspects. Eli Rogers, Demarcus Ayers, Levi Norwood in that order. Wheaton jumped in part-way through.

]– Back to receivers. In that ‘first group,” the ones who get to catch passes from Ben, were: Brown, Wheaton, Coates, Rogers, and Norwood. This was the time where DHB had to go change shoes so I’m guessing that’s why Norwood was part of the bunch.

But if you’re looking for a super early indication of pecking order, Eli Rogers is above Demarcus Ayers.

– Rogers also made a nice catch on air, diving back to his route running a curl in the middle of the field.

I thought there would be a sleeper in the return line and the "super early" suspect looks like it may be Norwood ? I personally would like to see what Coates can do, time will tell I guess.
 
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I guess this kid Rogers may really have something Coach, at least for now anyway.

Pretty standard for the Steelers to give guys who have been in camp before priority in the lineup. They always bury their draft picks early and make them work their way up the depth chart. Nothing against Rogers, though. He'll have a chance to make it as a No. 5, but has to contribute on special teams.
 
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