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Tomlin's 15th loss since 2009 to Teams With a Combined .219 Winning Percentage

AggieSteel said:
I agree that, in some cases, just blaming the coach can be lazy. It's not always the coach.

But some things are fair to blame on the coach. When a team is unprepared, when bad playcalling or 4th down or timeout decisions are made, when there is a collective lack of effort across most of the team, when they are outplayed in all 3 phases by inferior talent, etc. then that screams coaching.

If it was a handful of players making critical mistakes and costing the rest of the team the game, then yes, blame those players. But the story of ALL these games like this (all 15 of them) are listless play, going through the motions, cockiness, taking the opponent lightly, a general lack of urgency and lack of effort. They are poorly coached in these games. They are well coached sometimes. He's not the worst coach in America. But there is something about being a heavy favorite that Tomlin is just seriously ill-equipped for.
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I dont see that. Sorry. I do see our best player playing crap during these road games in the offense built for him. So what should we do have an a road offense and home offense.. and for those saying we do because we dont no huddle as much on the road..simple crowd noise plays a factor on the road
 
Tomlin is now 5-13 on the road against teams with a losing record, pitiful and a true indicator of his lack of motivational and coaching skills.
 
mdk2 said:
That's fair, I guess I just expect more out of Ben. I'm used to seeing 300+ with multiple TDs from him and we just don't get that from him on the road too much, I'm not sure why.
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If Bryant catches that one pass Ben has 315 yards, 2 TDs and a 101 QB rating, that one pass.
That's a nice article, looking at Ben's misses, but no mention of Bryant and Bells drops and AB clearly running a wrong route early

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antdrewjosh said:
And there is a reason they arent fired..
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true which is why Tomlin still has a job they like steady winning... and he gives them that.

But I think when the chips are down he won't put us in a position to get what we ultimately desire.

And I had so high hopes going into this season.

It really looked like the pieces were in place.
 
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Coryea said:
If Bryant catches that one pass Ben has 315 yards, 2 TDs and a 101 QB rating, that one pass.
That's a nice article, looking at Ben's misses, but no mention of Bryant and Bells drops and AB clearly running a wrong route early

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this

100% this

And Ben wasn't given a opportunity to win it in overtime.

Again Ben is the least of the problems.
 
Coryea said:
If Bryant catches that one pass Ben has 315 yards, 2 TDs and a 101 QB rating, that one pass.
That's a nice article, looking at Ben's misses, but no mention of Bryant and Bells drops and AB clearly running a wrong route early

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Because he overthrew Bryant. And brown ran a wrong route now?? Missed that one. I do say the Bell pass was slightly high. Catchable but high. 60% on Bell ive seen him pull those in. But Ben had no pressure stick it in his chest. But oh well.
 
slashsteel said:
true which is why Tomlin still has a job they like steady winning... and he gives them that.

But I think when the chips are don he won't put us in a position to get what we ultimately desire.

And I had so high hopes going into this season.

It really looked like the pieces were in place.
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As do most organizations. Because steady winning gives you an opportunity to get there.
 
how can anybody absolve Tomlin of this? This isn't 1 or 2 games where you chalk it up to a bad day or **** happens. This is a pattern. It's not possible to credibly argue otherwise.

Glennon threw for 101 yards. He completed only 1 pass to a WR for 9 yards
 
wig said:
He's rarely allowed to run the offense on the road. The one time he did - they marched right down the field.

Just sayin'.
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Ben is a HELL of a lot better when he is running the offense. I thought they should go no huddle several different times.



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Coryea said:
If Bryant catches that one pass Ben has 315 yards, 2 TDs and a 101 QB rating, that one pass.
That's a nice article, looking at Ben's misses, but no mention of Bryant and Bells drops and AB clearly running a wrong route early

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Sure, if we're talking about today's game only. I'm talking about Ben's road games as a whole the past 2-3 years.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Ben is a HELL of a lot better when he is running the offense. I thought they should go no huddle several different times.



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Who is calling the plays? that should change...
 
Anyone that has watched this team for years knows Ben is not calling the plays, there'd be a ton of no huddle if that was the case.

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antdrewjosh said:
I dont see that. Sorry. I do see our best player playing crap during these road games in the offense built for him. So what should we do have an a road offense and home offense.. and for those saying we do because we dont no huddle as much on the road..simple crowd noise plays a factor on the road
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I actually think we already DO have a "road offense" and "home offense" and that's what we need to get away from. The whole offense feels labored when they go on the road. Much more conservative almost scared to lose, but no running room, passes forced to specific guys, terrible listless blocking, no emotion, no urgency. It really does feel different. At home we go for the jugular, and usually get it. We should do that on the road too. The pieces are there. I do not understand why we can't step on people and rip out their hearts on the road like we do at home.
 
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AggieSteel said:
I actually think we already DO have a "road offense" and "home offense" and that's what we need to get away from. The whole offense feels labored when they go on the road. Much more conservative almost scared to lose, but no running room, passes forced to specific guys, terrible listless blocking, no emotion, no urgency. It really does feel different. At home we go for the jugular, and usually get it. We should do that on the road too. The pieces are there. I do not understand why we can't step on people and rip out their hearts on the road like we do at home.
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game planning?
 
AggieSteel said:
I actually think we already DO have a "road offense" and "home offense" and that's what we need to get away from. The whole offense feels labored when they go on the road. Much more conservative almost scared to lose, but no running room, passes forced to specific guys, terrible listless blocking, no emotion, no urgency. It really does feel different. At home we go for the jugular, and usually get it. We should do that on the road too. The pieces are there. I do not understand why we can't step on people and rip out their hearts on the road like we do at home.
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Yep and thats how the coaches draw it up. Makes sense..
 
The problem the Blame Ben crowd has is that these games always have severe problems in areas Ben doesn't control... Ben didn't start the Game gifting a deep td by muffing a punt, nor did he cause a blocked fg thst was the difference in the game... nor was he inable to stop a meh running game... the only culpability Ben has in these games is he doesn't strap the team to his back and force a win... lets face it even if Tomlin is above average as a coach that just shows how crappy the current NFL coaching crop is... he has warts and like every coach has a shelf life... super bowl or fire him... its time to move on
 
In the end, Roethlisberger took the blame for Sunday’s loss to the Bears.

“I need to play better football,” the quarterback said. “I’ll take this game on me. I didn’t play well enough. I missed too many throws, didn’t make good reads, whatever it was. Turned the ball over on a sack fumble. I can’t do that so this one’s on me. The good news is, if you will, its an NFC road game and it’s early in the season and I take the approach is all this means is that were not going to be undefeated.”

Roethlisberger was then asked if the Bears defense did anything in particular that wasnt expected.

“Nope, they lined up and kind of did some things, pretty much everything we expected them to do,” Roethlisberger said. “Obviously, you throw wrinkles here and there but we just need to execute. That’s them making plays, stopping us and I think I was just off today. For whatever reason, I didn’t make all the throws that I normally would and make the plays I normally should and that’s why I think we lost this game.”

But nevermind thats just Ben being a stand up guy
 
antdrewjosh said:
In the end, Roethlisberger took the blame for Sunday’s loss to the Bears.

“I need to play better football,” the quarterback said. “I’ll take this game on me. I didn’t play well enough. I missed too many throws, didn’t make good reads, whatever it was. Turned the ball over on a sack fumble. I can’t do that so this one’s on me. The good news is, if you will, its an NFC road game and it’s early in the season and I take the approach is all this means is that were not going to be undefeated.”

Roethlisberger was then asked if the Bears defense did anything in particular that wasnt expected.

“Nope, they lined up and kind of did some things, pretty much everything we expected them to do,” Roethlisberger said. “Obviously, you throw wrinkles here and there but we just need to execute. That’s them making plays, stopping us and I think I was just off today. For whatever reason, I didn’t make all the throws that I normally would and make the plays I normally should and that’s why I think we lost this game.”

But nevermind thats just Ben being a stand up guy
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What I expect him to say.

But it was still a complete team loss.

I think he will improve as the season goes on. But everyone else will need to step it up, and I mean everyone.
 
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