Tomlin still don't get it ?

[SteelChip]

so Tomlin giving rest to starters and vets is equivalent to lack of situational playcalling, as is referenced in the losses to Jax and NE? The guy is not a Norman Einstein nor even a Len Carson, but he's pretty good. hell, some of these sidechair coaches should be enshrined in the HOF already.

Somewhere we lost the message that this article was trying to highlight. He wasn't giving his starters a rest or as Cope said.."Tomlin always rests vets. He does it for Wed practices throughout the year, because Vets earned that right after playing for 10 years." .......bullshit !

What he did was give 'some vets' a pass on the conditioning test that ALL players are supposed to take before the camp begins. IMHO that is not giving them a rest, they didn't earn a rest if they never started to practice, this was to show team officials that they arrived to camp in shape and ready to start the season healthy.

Next we will be hearing about hamstrings and my first question will be ...did he take the run test ?
Nope .....Tomlin said !

Emperor Chas never gave nobody a hall pass before school started..

 

[MTC]

so Tomlin giving rest to starters and vets is equivalent to lack of situational playcalling, as is referenced in the losses to Jax and NE? The guy is not a Norman Einstein nor even a Len Carson, but he's pretty good. hell, some of these sidechair coaches should be enshrined in the HOF already.

Give me my gold jacket now!
#FireTomlin

 

[MTC]

Somewhere we lost the message that this article was trying to highlight. He wasn't giving his starters a rest or as Cope said.."Tomlin always rests vets. He does it for Wed practices throughout the year, because Vets earned that right after playing for 10 years." .......bullshit !

What he did was give 'some vets' a pass on the conditioning test that ALL players are supposed to take before the camp begins. IMHO that is not giving them a rest, they didn't earn a rest if they never started to practice, this was to show team officials that they arrived to camp in shape and ready to start the season healthy.

Next we will be hearing about hamstrings and my first question will be ...did he take the run test ?
Nope .....Tomlin said !

Emperor Chas never gave nobody a hall pass before school started..

The issue I have with the vets "deserving" practice time off is how it fits with the younger players.
That has to cause a rift wthin the locker room that is kept hush I'd assume

 

[SteelChip]

The issue I have with the vets "deserving" practice time off is how it fits with the younger players.
That has to cause a rift wthin the locker room that is kept hush I'd assume

I don't know...Ben took off yesterday but that gave the youngin's extra time on the field, It's a good thing, I get that.

I still say that ,,,,,well I already said it so, there's that.

 

[Stryker]

Chip, I don't see any issue in letting vets sit out the test. If he knows they are in shape, and they've been at the facility all offseason, he's got a good read on them. It's not like the days of Chaz, when his players had jobs during the offseason, and only practiced football when training camp started. This is a year round sport now, and with all of the nutrition, and year round strength and conditioning training, the optimal thing is player health.

So I suppose the main argument is, who are the players that were given a pass?
How many years have they been on the team?
Are they currently banged up, or have they been training at the Steeler facility all offseason.

Knowing the answers to all those questions will give the true reason why players were rested, instead of creating assumptions.

 

[MTC]

I don't know...Ben took off yesterday but that gave the youngin's extra time on the field, It's a good thing, I get that.

I still say that ,,,,,well I already said it so, there's that.

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As a fan I'm all for the youngsters getting as much reps as possible.
Most professional athletes looking to get better should take advantage and I hope they see that as well.


However there are always going to be some unhappy campers. It's easy to speculate some players feeling like they are...like not favored I suppose.
I know in some instances when the locker room drama came out, that's what it seemed like

 

[SteelChip]

Chip, I don't see any issue in letting vets sit out the test. If he knows they are in shape, and they've been at the facility all offseason, he's got a good read on them. It's not like the days of Chaz, when his players had jobs during the offseason, and only practiced football when training camp started. This is a year round sport now, and with all of the nutrition, and year round strength and conditioning training, the optimal thing is player health.
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Then why have the test to begin with if they know all the grades before hand ?

whatever

 

[TDX27]

Ben was on NFL network (I think) and he was saying the last 3 or 4 years, they have him work full one day, then half day the next and then take a full day off. That has helped preserve him for the season and for lengthening his career. I have absolutely no problem with that.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I wonder what list BELL is on as he is getting a WHOLE LOTSA days off..................





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[Litos]

Show me one instance of clock mismanagement last year, and I'll show you my spreadsheet with the only instance. Lose the false narrative there.

As for the article, Tomlin always rests vets. He does it for Wed practices throughout the year, because Vets earned that right after playing for 10 years. Which he has said on multiple occasions. The younger Me-first players, are bent that they don't immediately get those perks, but they have to earn it by playing on the team for a decade. No issue with resting vets, and I never will. They don't need the reps, and the days they get to rest, the players that need those reps get them. That's why the next man up is ready in our system.

I agree, there are a few things to emphatically criticize of Tomlin but criticize him for the vet resting is just stupid. In camp you need to see what the rooks and youngs can do, the vets can get in shape without risking injury, they don't need the wear and tear

The clock management has improved a lot so credit to him for that

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[CharlesDavenport]

Steeler vets at Belichick practice -

 

[Ike Kelly]

My how folks forget how much the Chin rested his vets and wasn’t ridiculed for it....er, at least from anyone other than Tom Donahoe. Cowher had a pulse on the vets since he was a player himself, and understood the fine line.


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[CharlesDavenport]

My how folks forget how much the Chin rested his vets and wasn’t ridiculed for it....er, at least from anyone other than Tom Donahoe. Cowher had a pulse on the vets since he was a player himself, and understood the fine line.


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You're probably right. It's just my perception.

 

[SteelChip]

My how folks forget how much the Chin rested his vets and wasn’t ridiculed for it....er, at least from anyone other than Tom Donahoe. Cowher had a pulse on the vets since he was a player himself, and understood the fine line.

One last time, then I'll shut up. This is not about resting vets, never was !
Resting vets is a proven plus for the team.

In fact I can summarize for the reading impaired.

Tomlin’s habitual and longstanding practice of making allowances and exceptions for his star players and core veterans has allowed them to expect being granted future allowances and to expect Mike’s continued indulgences with their missed practices, late arrivals to practice or games, disruptive or negative behaviors, social media stupidity, and seemingly weekly dramas that bleed the team’s focus away from upcoming games.

It’s gotten to the point that Tomlin’s favorites seem to assume that such behaviors are their right rather than evidence of their immaturity and selfishness. Mike’s excusing of multiple starters from running in this year’s training camp conditioning test was a perfect example. If the coach thinks the only point of a conditioning test is to test conditioning, he’s mistaken

 

[Steelerfan]

Tomlin sucks! (tm)

Shouldn't have taken until post #40 to say it.

 

[black and gold apex]

The chin made them all do the condition test, remember when a big man that was a nose tackle was not allowed to practice till he did the run.

 

[nitsuj1225]

One last time, then I'll shut up. This is not about resting vets, never was !
Resting vets is a proven plus for the team.

In fact I can summarize for the reading impaired.

Mike’s continued indulgences with their missed practices, late arrivals to practice or games, disruptive or negative behaviors, social media stupidity, and seemingly weekly dramas that bleed the team’s focus away from upcoming games.

Which makes me think back to Harrison and how his situation was being reported towards the end. Was he missing meetings/being disruptive because he WAS one of Tomlin's favorites and it used to be acceptable and then all of a sudden Tomlin didn't favor him as much so it then became a problem which could have caused Harrison to get pissed and pushed for a trade?

Seems more plausible now that this story is brought up.

 

[IndySteel]

The chin made them all do the condition test, remember when a big man that was a nose tackle was not allowed to practice till he did the run.

He also cut a veteran one year on the spot after he couldn't finish the run test. I forget who that sap was but it damn sure sent a message about who was in charge.

 

[Coach]

At this point in time, Tomlin will never " get it ". But he can get out of the way and let his talent and the other coaches do their thing, keeping his media gig.

 

[Stryker]

Then why have the test to begin with if they know all the grades before hand ?

whatever

Probably because they have about 40 new people, and additionally want to see if their first and second year players are adhering to their training regimen? It's an easy way to to separate the chaff from the wheat.

Armed forces do the same in boot camp, and you don't see officers running boot camp.

 

[Stryker]

My how folks forget how much the Chin rested his vets and wasn’t ridiculed for it....er, at least from anyone other than Tom Donahoe. Cowher had a pulse on the vets since he was a player himself, and understood the fine line.


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I remember the Chin doing Wednesdays off for vets, and a few times Hines was dealing with nagging injuries, he wouldn't practice all week, but would play the games, and play well.

 

[Stryker]

Ben was on NFL network (I think) and he was saying the last 3 or 4 years, they have him work full one day, then half day the next and then take a full day off. That has helped preserve him for the season and for lengthening his career. I have absolutely no problem with that.

I hadn't heard of that TDX, but that is a great strategy with a 15yr vet. Plus having 4 viable QB candidates, they need all the reps they can get to show they belong on the roster.

 

[Drink IRON City]

He also cut a veteran one year on the spot after he couldn't finish the run test. I forget who that sap was but it damn sure sent a message about who was in charge.

Jermaine Stephens, I think





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[Ike Kelly]

He also cut a veteran one year on the spot after he couldn't finish the run test. I forget who that sap was but it damn sure sent a message about who was in charge.

OT Jaimain Stephens......and he wasn’t a starter. Barely a backup at that time. There was no doubt Cowher was in charge. He cut a former 1st rounder early in his coaching career


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[steelhurt]

Wasn’t that the one and only ‘Huey Richardson’?


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