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Tomlin still don't get it ?

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I just read this Steelers Wire article and was a bit surprised to hear the accusations about Tomlin's favoritism's are alive and well. TSK>>TSK

Tomlin’s habitual and longstanding practice of making allowances and exceptions for his star players and core veterans has allowed them to expect being granted future allowances and to expect Mike’s continued indulgences with their missed practices, late arrivals to practice or games, disruptive or negative behaviors, social media stupidity, and seemingly weekly dramas that bleed the team’s focus away from upcoming games.

It’s gotten to the point that Tomlin’s favorites seem to assume that such behaviors are their right rather than evidence of their immaturity and selfishness. Mike’s excusing of multiple starters from running in this year’s training camp conditioning test was a perfect example. If the coach thinks the only point of a conditioning test is to test conditioning, he’s mistaken.
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2...m_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=pos1headline
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What starters didn't have to run the test? I heard nothing to back that up...........
 
Sad but true. Tomlins country club rambles on. You saw the results of this in last years Jax game. Frankly, I don't think A Tomlin coached team will ever see 13-3 again.
 
slashsteel said:
What starters didn't have to run the test? I heard nothing to back that up...........
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I don't know who James Kelly is...but evidently he covers the practices for USAToday.com ...

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/author/jperrykelly/

Whether he is right or not, I like his ideas and comments...seems to get it.

By: James Kelly | July 19, 2018 1:15 am ET

As training camp nears, Steelers fans look forward to daily reports of who looks good. We listen to podcasts to get up-to-date scoops. We envision how the rookies look, how the defense looks, the offense, and we especially want reassuring that team won’t disgrace itself in Cleveland.

While researching 3-4 vs. 4-3 differences, I came across highly insightful comments by an anonymous college coach who captured a key distinction in a nutshell. In fact, this distinction may allow us to better assess the Steelers defense, its players, schemes, and potentials:

Whether our defenders are thinkers or doers.

“At 4-3 outside linebacker,” he explained, “you want your ‘thinkers’ there. These are players who read the ball well, analyze plays, react to blocking patterns, reacts to route patterns and so on.”

The Steelers linebacker roster, both OLBs and ILBs, are stuffed with starters and backups dratted for their 3-4 fit. As reported from OTAs and minicamp, the 2018 defense may increase its 4-3 usage. For some on the team, the fit may be a bad one.

The mystery coach wrote, “Now your 3-4 outside linebacker is a ‘doer.’ This guy just wants to go. You can line him up on the line and he will play like a D-lineman. He can cover the short flat or he can man up on a TE or back. Put him in space [and] he will think too much. You don’t want your attack dog thinking when a crime is taking place – and a team trying to get a yard on my defenses is a crime!”

He points out that it’s rare for a player to play extremely well both as a thinker and doer, which makes sense since a fractional pause to think by a pass-rushing doer could doom his rush before it even starts.

Nor does this concern only OLBs since the 3-4 mack ILB is expected to man the Will position [the 4-3’s weakside OLB], especially on running plays, unless replaced by one of our hybrid safeties.

All three LBs in the 4-3 have read-and-react priorities that require they be thinkers. Plus, in zone coverage, each is responsible for a third of the field whereas 3-4 backers need cover only a quarter each. A doer’s single misstep through over-eagerness to make a play or misreading it could be all the advantage an offense needs.

Gauging whether our linebackers and hybrid safeties are primarily doers or thinkers could give us unique insights into their likely success in the 4-3, their value to the team, and perhaps the fate of our 2018 defense.
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My only beef with Tomlin is he never seems to learn from his mistakes and they become a chronic problem, clock management, being soft against poor teams, players constantly screwing around on social media which goes unpunished, Brown'e locker room video, etc. He is stubborn and never takes blame instead talks about going back to the lab, etc and things never change.
 
MJG77 said:
My only beef with Tomlin is he never seems to learn from his mistakes and they become a chronic problem, clock management, being soft against poor teams, players constantly screwing around on social media which goes unpunished, Brown'e locker room video, etc. He is stubborn and never takes blame instead talks about going back to the lab, etc and things never change.
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This!

Until Tomlin tightens the reigns on this team, we'll be bounced 1st/2nd round of the playoffs.
Coach Coolshades can make his legacy as a good/great coach. He needs to hammer down on the vets as well.
 
MTC said:
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This!

Until Tomlin tightens the reigns on this team, we'll be bounced 1st/2nd round of the playoffs.
Coach Coolshades can make his legacy as a good/great coach. He needs to hammer down on the vets as well.
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Agree. I want to see some fire out of him. He's often criticized for his "deer in headlights" sideline demeanor, but the shoe fits.
 
MJG77 said:
My only beef with Tomlin is he never seems to learn from his mistakes and they become a chronic problem, clock management, being soft against poor teams, players constantly screwing around on social media which goes unpunished, Brown'e locker room video, etc. He is stubborn and never takes blame instead talks about going back to the lab, etc and things never change.
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Show me one instance of clock mismanagement last year, and I'll show you my spreadsheet with the only instance. Lose the false narrative there.

As for the article, Tomlin always rests vets. He does it for Wed practices throughout the year, because Vets earned that right after playing for 10 years. Which he has said on multiple occasions. The younger Me-first players, are bent that they don't immediately get those perks, but they have to earn it by playing on the team for a decade. No issue with resting vets, and I never will. They don't need the reps, and the days they get to rest, the players that need those reps get them. That's why the next man up is ready in our system.
 
You mean where he butchered the end of the Pats game and was unprepared to run a play after the review ? Or where he butchered the end of the Jax playoff game ? He is mediocre at best at clock management.
 
Cope said:
Show me one instance of clock mismanagement last year, and I'll show you my spreadsheet with the only instance. Lose the false narrative there.

As for the article, Tomlin always rests vets. He does it for Wed practices throughout the year, because Vets earned that right after playing for 10 years. Which he has said on multiple occasions. The younger Me-first players, are bent that they don't immediately get those perks, but they have to earn it by playing on the team for a decade. No issue with resting vets, and I never will. They don't need the reps, and the days they get to rest, the players that need those reps get them. That's why the next man up is ready in our system.
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The day Tomlin has his players worry about the team in front of them instead of celebrating a first down....a tackle.....will be a day I tip my cap to him. He has to much talent these last few years not to have at least advanced to a few SB's...What is holding them back? Maybe Tomlin could tighten the reigns a bit. Could it hurt?
 
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You mean where he butchered the end of the Pats game and was unprepared to run a play after the review ? Or where he butchered the end of the Jax playoff game ? He is mediocre at best at clock management.
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Yet we are one of the best teams at scoring inside of 2 min before the end of each half for years now. Weird
 
Nothing here should be a surprise to anyone..........CMVLT has had preperation problems for years. Until he can overcome that hump he will be known as a good coach but NOT elite.




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MJG77 said:
You mean where he butchered the end of the Pats game and was unprepared to run a play after the review ? Or where he butchered the end of the Jax playoff game ? He is mediocre at best at clock management.
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There is a difference between execution and playcalling. You're pissed at the result, not the coaching, and that is valid.

We were down there with the ability to score, vs NE, had a TD taken off the board and still got a play off on 3rd down. Had the pass been incomplete, we had 5sec left on the clock for a 4th down attempt. The clock management worked, Ben's accuracy did not. (Keep in mind 2 plays were run after the TD was taken off the board, many people forget that, and the 3rd play would have happened if Ben didn't throw an INT).

JAX, we scored under 2min at the end of the half and the end of the game. We can argue the onside kick, but it's not out of Tomlins' MO. When playing an offense your D can't stop, try and get an extra possession. You do that by converting an OSK. 2009 Wk 15 vs GB we did the exact same thing. Couldn't stop Rogers, tried an OSK outside of 2 Min and failed to recover. GB scores another TD, Steelers luckily march down and throw a game winning TD as time expires to Wallace. I don't know what other coaching magic you can conjure to try and get your team an extra possession, but OSKs are the only method I know of to try and gain one.

Here's my spreadsheet. The 2nd Ravens game was the failure at the end of the game. Fortunately, Harbaugh was even worse at clock management as his team squandered their time left, in the huddle as time expired, not knowing the rules that the clock runs on a fumble OOB under 2min. Now that is a failure in clock management...

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RQyCuXlheBFTUgL1l0XGxkwzdrLSwf6u094zqGVSEYQ
 
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stillwright said:
The day Tomlin has his players worry about the team in front of them instead of celebrating a first down....a tackle.....will be a day I tip my cap to him. He has to much talent these last few years not to have at least advanced to a few SB's...What is holding them back? Maybe Tomlin could tighten the reigns a bit. Could it hurt?
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That's a fine opinion. I can't equate game preparation to players celebrating in the moment on the field, but at least the NFL got rid of the celebration rules that used to cause us penalties.

Green Bay is also a perfect example of a team talented on both sides of the ball, and have a better defense than we do, yet haven't sniffed a SB since they beat us in 2010. Is GB wasting talent as well? IDK?

I think we are in a poor position of having to go through NE to get the the SB, when they are the best team over the past 18 years. I thought last year was the year, and the Steelers did have a great shot, we just fell short of the rules, and execution.
 
I love the Steelers but Tomlin continues to prove he is not elite in coaching he wins games not because of him but key players on this team. He reminds of a fast food restaurant that stock continues to ride yet their stores a run very badly. Look at yesterday Steelers site at the show must go on. Read the comments f defensive coordinator on the drills by line backers and secondary. It makes you sick the language used on players that aren't getting it done and he feels should step up. Way to many should and maybes for a team we want to feel will win another championship. The lack of discipline by the head coach and attitude of a coordinator says it all. Time is running out Ben is getting older, Brown is getting older, we will lose a HOF running back, this defense is not good. Is this Rooney more about money making or winning another trophy, that he can't see Tomlin as a head coach. Again it made me sick to read the comments from practice and comments of the favoritism by Tomlin. As much as we hate New England look at the players in two weeks let go and signed not doing their job. Tomlin still believes letting players go that he feels can't be a Steeler and then next year brings them back is a main stay in his coaching ability as well as drafting works in progress. Seems this year even sports writers are getting smarter on Tomlin coaching. When Colbert has to come out and support Tomlin maybe more to this than many on this sight want to admit.
 
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I love the Steelers but Tomlin continues to prove he is not elite in coaching he wins games not because of him but key players on this team.
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Let's take Belichick out of the equation because he is in a league of his own. Who is in the next tier of coaches in your opinion? It's easy to say Tomlin isn't an elite coach, but I want to know who you think is in that group?
 
Well if you feel Tomlin is the best why does he have such a hard time against Hairbaugh, look at the injuries Baltimore has had and yet Tomlin to many times is out coached. No matter what coach I mention you would say what have they done. I'm looking at the style of Tomlin as last year how many games we came back t win or Tomlin would not look so great. We play at home and Jacksonville puts it to us, we played under Tomlin the same game in the play offs with same result. Yes he wins games, BUT.
 
black and gold apex said:
Well if you feel Tomlin is the best why does he have such a hard time against Hairbaugh, look at the injuries Baltimore has had and yet Tomlin to many times is out coached. No matter what coach I mention you would say what have they done. I'm looking at the style of Tomlin as last year how many games we came back t win or Tomlin would not look so great. We play at home and Jacksonville puts it to us, we played under Tomlin the same game in the play offs with same result. Yes he wins games, BUT.
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I never said Tomlin is the best. I want to know who is in your elite tier of coaches? Who are you taking ahead of Tomlin? Based on your response, I am assuming you are taking Harbaugh and Marrone ahead of Tomlin. Who else?
 
It seems more like some bad assistants (Lake, Porter) that mess **** up more than Tomlin's "star players".
 
He’s been coaching the team for 11 years and is stubborn as a mule.. his flaws are his flaws. He’s not just going to become the master of discipline and preparation over night. We pretty much need to hope that, as long as he’s on the sideline, the talent we have on the field can overcome his flaws. We just go in knowing the fact that they don’t take every opponent as seriously as others, that they don’t optimize game plans for each opponent specifically, that we will be overly aggressive when we should be conservative and conservative when we should be aggressive, etc. We can still be successful but we will need to stay healthy and not fall too far behind in games before the team starts playing, since they are only capable of playing to their full potential when their backs are completely against the wall..


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I trust Colbert when he says point blank there are no issues at all with Tomlin - re discipline or otherwise. Glad he’s our coach and hope the team puts it all together this year.
 
so Tomlin giving rest to starters and vets is equivalent to lack of situational playcalling, as is referenced in the losses to Jax and NE? The guy is not a Norman Einstein nor even a Len Carson, but he's pretty good. hell, some of these sidechair coaches should be enshrined in the HOF already.
 
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