Nope early to late twenties
Tomlin....he's driving a proud organization straight in to the ground.
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The point is that your self-proclaimed love for Kordell is eerily similar to your undying love for Tomlin. Sorry to confuse you.
Wrong dont love tomlin just like to point out the double standards I see.
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Good Christ, dude. All I did was list some goddamn coaches.
Funny note.
How would the Tomlin haters react, if he chose to pilfer a psuedo football league run by Vince ******* McMann to get a starting QB?
**** the draft, **** Free Agency, Let's go with a minor league product that only lasted a year. GANGBUSTERS!!!!!
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How would the Tomlin haters react, if he chose to pilfer a psuedo football league run by Vince ******* McMann to get a starting QB?
**** the draft, **** Free Agency, Let's go with a minor league product that only lasted a year. GANGBUSTERS!!!!!
Is He Hate Me still available....
I always have other things to do besides football. However I just like the discussion on here and the debates that spring up, they are generally much better than listening to the talking heads on the idiot box. Even if your opinion differs I still enjoy reading it and following the discussion.
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I'm not sure you're up to this discussion.
Maddox was signed as our #3, not starter. And it actually worked out a lot better than most of the guys Tomlin plucks out of college, LOL. Landry Jones anybody?
I think all of the Cowher stuff is cute. The only defense of Tomlin is to find stuff about past coaches. We're multiple pages into this thread and still don't have an example of something Tomlin does well.
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Because nobody plays forever, so over time a long-term coach is FORCED to tear down and rebuild. If you're satisfied with the job Mike is doing there then alrighty.
and your point being?
do you even read? i could have sworn i said i'd prefer cowher's ability over tomlin's. I just do not believe tomlin is chris palmer, or worse, as you and vader so lividly suggest.
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And I'M over the top? Show me a quote where I said Tomlin is worse than Chris Palmer.
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Oh, the "break your brain" comment? That came because my straightforward, NON-SARCASTIC (I know how much you hate sarcasm) response to you was greeted with "I give up." I even praised your point about Cowher/Polamalu. I'll link it for you:
http://steelernation.com/showthread...in-to-the-ground&p=49499&viewfull=1#post49499
Congrats, you officially have the second-most sensitive vagina on the board.
I like your response to Maddox. Even though he was signed as a backup, the move would have been crucified if it's the new guy doing it.
I'm not trying to make Tomlin look better by pointing out Cowher's shortcomings. I'm pointing out that they BOTH have SIMILAR shortcomings. Why is it OK for one guy to have failure, but when the other guy does it, it's much worse?
You also want to know what Tomlin does well. He leads. Cowher was a fire and brimstone blame pointing coach. Tomlin is calm, reserved and takes responsibility instead of singling players out for game day mistakes. I wrote an article on this site back in 2008 when we won the regular season game vs the Cowboys. We were down 10 points going into the 4th quarter and went for it on 4th down to start the 4th. We got stopped and Dallas was celebrating HARD. The offense comes to the sideline with their heads down, knowing they failed. Tomlin, instead of spitting and pointing blame, greeted the O as it left the field. He pumped them up. We're going to get a stop, and you'll be right back out there. He was right. Romo pinned at the 1 couldn't do much and they punted. We got the ball back and scored a FG, 3 and out, then drove the field and scored a TD. Romo back out to try to win, Pick 6 by Townsend, Game over.
They are different coaches, and they have different approaches. If you don't like the approach of Tomlin, than that is fine, it's your opinion. If you're calling him stupid, and uneducated, he is not. Tomlin does have a passion for the game and he strives for greatness. These are needed for any young coach to improve, and I'm excited to see how this season plays out. We're only 4 games in. You are not your past. Learn, improve, and move on. Hopefully we've learned from last week, can improve, and move on to Jacksonville.
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Cowher did much of the same thing. I remember him pulling Lloyd to the side and encouraging him with NO spit and brimstone. He had to cradle Kordell to keep him from going mental. You do the exact thing you say your not doing. You are trying to make Tomlin look better by down grading Cowher. The idea that Cowher was a fire and brimstone coach while Tomlin is a cool, calmed, reserved genius is non-sense. I've seen Cowher bring the defense together to talk strategy. I've also seen Tomlin talk about players short comings (Wallace is a one trick pony) and his (I walk past 6 Lombardy Trophies not 6 rushing trophies) to the public.
And that doesn't even touch on the fact that Cowher showed he could build a team and even win with lesser talent. Tomlin has shown he can win with great talent but he hasn't shown he can draft and build a team nor has he shown he can win with lesser talent.
And that doesn't even touch on the fact that Cowher showed he could build a team and even win with lesser talent. Tomlin has shown he can win with great talent but he hasn't shown he can draft and build a team nor has he shown he can win with lesser talent.
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Tomlin leads ? LMFAO. He is bewildered and bug eyed when we are losing and is incapable of in game or halftime adjustments. Our opponents have scored on every drive this season to start both the game and the 2nd halves. He strives for greatness, who ******* cares,m he delivers mediocrity. He is not a young coach, he is in his 8th year as a head coach which is an eternity in the NFL. The fact is he was unprepared and was unqualified to be a head coach and he is still way behind the curve in football smarts and real experience.
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Huh? No it wouldn't. Maddox was a damn-near free signing to compete with Tee Martin. He was a camp arm, like when we bring in Jared Zabransky and Tyler Palko for free with a roster size of 90 guys and see if they can make the roster. As it turned out, Maddox was better than Kordell and won the starting job.
If Landry Jones has the same kind of ascencion, I'll sidestep the lizards that crawl out of my *** and run the the computer to post how wrong I am. But Landry cost us a lot more than Maddox did. Again, Maddox was a bottom-of-the-barrel signing to be a camp backup.
Why does it matter? Bruce Coslet also had similar shortcomings. Should we compare them, too? Why does it matter except to play the "See, Tomlin's not bad, Cowher sucked at stuff too!" The idea is to get the right coach, not one who compares to the last guy.
If you screw up constantly at work and your production suffers, can you just tell your boss, "Well the last guy screwed up too!" and be off the hook?
Then doesn't he deserve the blame for our crappy roster and slide into mediocrity (or worse)?
Shouldn't he, I dunno, try to limit the gameday mistakes? Is it a GOOD thing that he doesn't try to stop the players from ******* up constantly?
This is not a good example of "successful leadership" unless you are now crediting Tomlin for the players' good play. If you do that, then it's only fair you blame him when the pep talks you see on TV don't work and we lose.
I don't like the results of Tomlin.
He's the 6th-longest tenured HC in football. This is his eighth season. I'm done looking for promise and potential and rays of hope that he can improve. It's been long enough, and I've seen too many young coaches show gobs of talent and results in less time.
We didnt know Cowher could turn it around til he did it. Only in hindsight do we know. Tomlin is in the midst of his hopeful turn around. We didnt toss Cowher during his down time. Why cant we do the same with Tomlin?
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Yeah, Cowher never accepted blame. What a bunch of nonsense.
Where Cowher was clearly better than Tomlin was in the areas of assessing personnel and identifying and fixing problems with team performance.
Recall near the end of that rough 2003 season where the epitome of the Steelers getting carried away with Air Maddox transpired. The Steelers threw the ball around 40 times in 6-0 loss to the Jets in near blizzard conditions, and in the post game press conference, Cowher put the blame on him and vowed to return to the team's core identity.
The next season, the Steelers went from dead last in rushing to first during a 15-1 campaign.
THAT is what great coaching looks like, and something Tomlin just doesn't have in him.
The running game and, by extension, point production have been inconsistent the entire ******* time he's been here largely because he, along with Colbert, have failed to build a good offensive line and because he seems incapable of identifying a well defined, concrete philosophy on offense and work toward obtaining it.
Also, if he was such a great leader, the 2009 and 2012 collapses, following 6-2 and 6-3 starts, do not happen.
Do you honestly think the 2005 Steelers make that run after losing three straight and falling out of the playoff picture with Captain Cliche running the team? Take a good look in the mirror, take a deep breath, and be honest with yourself before answering the question.
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Steelers started 5-2 and finished 7-9 in 1998. Who was the coach then.
For the second consecutive season the Steelers failed to make the playoffs after starting off the season by winning 5 of their first 8 games. Losing seven of the remaining eight dropped Pittsburgh to 6–10 for the year. Who was the Coach in 1999
For the second consecutive season the Steelers failed to make the playoffs after starting off the season by winning 5 of their first 8 games. Losing seven of the remaining eight dropped Pittsburgh to 6–10 for the year. Who was the Coach in 1999
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I recall a QB crying on the sideline that year after being pulled because he sucked so badly.
Your point? Who started the crying QB?
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The Steelers didn't dump Cowher because the Steelers knew he was having to replace a ton of FAs every year. By year 8 there isn't ONE of Noll's players left. Hell many of the players Cowher drafted are gone because the Steelers can't afford to pay them. By year 8 Cowher was on his 3rd QB. Tomczak and Kordell both played that year. Cowher offered his resignation in year 8 because he and Donahoe were clashing. Year 8 is also when he is handed Troy Edwards by Donahoe.
See there is always a context to a story not just stats. Without context you can make it seem like Barry Switzer is a better coach than Lombardi or every QB in today's NFL is better than every QB in the 70s.
No they knew he could coach Vader. Thats it. Thats all they needed to know. You're adding what you want. Ive matained all along that this was the only criteria the Rooneys look for. A guy that can coach. They find the guy they have confidence in and they keep him. Even when the team doesnt do well.
Even thru all that you stated above about Cowher the Rooneys could of still made a move. Because for a long time Bill had the stigma of the coach who couldnt win the big one. Lost multiple championships games at home. Coaches have been fired before for that. The Rooneys ignored that and stuck with Bill. They find a coach they like and go with him. Yet every week, after every loss there is a fire Tomlin thread. When we know this isnt the Rooney way. Hasnt been since 1969.
Even thru all that you stated above about Cowher the Rooneys could of still made a move. Because for a long time Bill had the stigma of the coach who couldnt win the big one. Lost multiple championships games at home. Coaches have been fired before for that. The Rooneys ignored that and stuck with Bill. They find a coach they like and go with him. Yet every week, after every loss there is a fire Tomlin thread. When we know this isnt the Rooney way. Hasnt been since 1969.
We might need to go back to 1968 to fix this issue, I hope they don't decide to repeat the 40s and 50s and 60s while they are waiting for MT head to get it after all the standard is the standard and the needle is not pointing up at this point.